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Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CaliforniaAliBaba&diff=next&oldid=284993290]: Quoting examples from unreliable sources and drawing conclusions from them is precisely the definition of [[WP:OR|Original research]]. I deleted the section about the Sichuan Earthquake because it claimed to draw conclusions about Chinese and Japanese internet users at large based on a few forum posts. In fact what should be done in this case is to rely on the examples which have been presented in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and the conclusions which those reliable sources have drawn from the examples, not coming up with one's own summary of a bunch of unrelated forum posts. [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] ([[User talk:CaliforniaAliBaba|talk]]) 11:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
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-ing in Chinese slang
Hey Benlisquare. I know you're interested in working on articles about slang and informal Chinese, so here are some links (one is an actual article, one just an abstract) you might find useful:
- "Mandarin borrow-ing English grammatical forms". Pinyin.info. 4 January 2008. Retrieved 4 April 2009.
- "From English morpheme to symbol of Chinese "netizenship": Exploring 'ing' in Chinese blogs" (PDF). Retrieved 4 April 2009.
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
ITN for Kwangmyŏngsŏng-2
--BorgQueen (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Awesome. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Naming Laws in the People's Republic of China
Nice article! I added the WikiProject China banner to the talk page.--Pericles of AthensTalk 02:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Nice. I also read a few months ago that more and more couples are starting to combine their last names (similar to hyphenation on Western names...for example, if 张三 and 李四 get married, they might use 张李 as their child's family name) because the 100 or so common names are getting saturated. Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact citation, but if I can find it I'll let you know; it might be worth mentioning in the article.
- Also, I had never heard of the 赵C case before, that's pretty interesting. Reminds me of 阿Q ;) rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I nominated the article for DYK, you can see it here. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 07:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, never mind that; I didn't notice that you had already nominated it. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Classical Chinese grammar looks like it's off to a good start! Once again, excellent work. You're really becoming an asset to Wiki.--Pericles of AthensTalk 14:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Second Sino-Japanese war
Hello, I think some advice is needed on the subject of the communists' involvement in the war : Talk:Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Chinese_communist_party_in_list_of_fighters. If you are interested and have a moment, it could be useful to benefit from as many viewpoints as possible. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Shenfenzheng
Great work with Junmin Shenfenzheng. Unfortunately, there are still a few minor issues that need to be cleared up before it's ready for DYK; I have noted the issues here. I would definitely like to see this hit the main page, so hopefully we can get the issues cleared up quickly. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 16:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- Dude, you're on fire! Keep going! Sure, it needs additional citations, but it already looks excellent for a start article. Great work.--Pericles of AthensTalk 16:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- Gonna echo PoA's comments...by pointing out the problems I don't mean to be saying it's a bad article. It actually has a ton of good information and is very well-organized, and will probably be a strong GA candidate once sources are added and cleaned up. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 16:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- In regards to the inline citations and English names for external links, I'll get to that as soon as possible. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 05:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added inline citations and English names to links. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- In regards to the inline citations and English names for external links, I'll get to that as soon as possible. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 05:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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Classical Chinese
Thanks for your understanding.
First of all, the textbooks of the schools in PRC are not the original sources of the articles. During most of the Classical Chinese period, from Han dynasty to ROC, the articles written by Classical Chinese used the Traditional Chinese characters.
Secondly, the Simplified Chinese characters have combined some Traditional Chinese characters with different meanings together, which violated the original meaning of the Classical Chinese articles.
At last, I think that I should not use the term "must", but as an encyclopedic article, we should try to make it as accurate as possible. Maybe we can list the Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese characters simultaneously?--Itsmine (talk) 11:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Benlisquare here, I don't think this is entirely accurate. There may be rules about use of traditional characters in Taiwan (I wouldn't know) but certainly not on the mainland. I myself learned classical Chinese in simplified characters. In any case, the most important thing is to maintain consistency within and across articles, and as far as I know most of the major articles on Chinese language here are using simplified characters. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Jumin Shenfenzheng
Shubinator (talk) 15:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- File:WKlogo niubi.png Awesome, thanks. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 23:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Mongoloid cuticle? That's awesome!
Seriously, man. Pardon my language, but where do you find this shit? That's one of the most obscure thing's I've ever read. I'll admit, though, it's pretty cool. Good work (as usual)! Cheers.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Dude...no way! Hahaha! That's pretty damn funny. I didn't expect that. Your research seems pretty solid with citations, even though at first my impression was "oh, come on! That's just a hangnail...wait a minute...hmm..." Lol. Have you heard? I put Han Dynasty up for featured article status! It looks nice and shiny now.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm. Don't know. Semi-retirement? I've done so much already. I think at this point I'll just make smaller contributions. I will never again tackle something as big as an entire dynasty, that is for sure. But maybe some random but important biographies on people in Chinese history.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's a good question; it's one I don't know the answer to. It appears fine on this monitor that I'm using.--Pericles of AthensTalk 16:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm. Don't know. Semi-retirement? I've done so much already. I think at this point I'll just make smaller contributions. I will never again tackle something as big as an entire dynasty, that is for sure. But maybe some random but important biographies on people in Chinese history.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Dude...no way! Hahaha! That's pretty damn funny. I didn't expect that. Your research seems pretty solid with citations, even though at first my impression was "oh, come on! That's just a hangnail...wait a minute...hmm..." Lol. Have you heard? I put Han Dynasty up for featured article status! It looks nice and shiny now.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
AfD for Mongoloid cuticle
Twinkle didn't work. I've nominated this for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mongoloid cuticle Dougweller (talk) 07:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- The best thing to do is just to add stuff to the article as you find it. When you do find something, then mention it at the AfD - there's still a lot of time. I am still puzzled as to why, if this is as distinctive as it seems, it doesn't have the same medical coverage as Mongolian spot or epicanthic fold. My only interest is that any article meets our policies and guidelines - and I have no reason to think you don't share the same interest. Dougweller (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Naming laws in the People's Republic of China
Dravecky (talk) 00:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 02:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Naming laws in the People's Republic of China
Thanks for creating the article Naming laws in the People's Republic of China and submitting it to DYK. I found it to be a well-crafted and enjoyable short read, and the few examples of odd names mentioned were highly interesting. Keep up the good work and happy editing.--Boston (talk) 02:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I really needed that encouragement. Enjoy the rest of your day. :D -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 02:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- I opined "keep and don't rename" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mongoloid cuticle, so now you have even more to lift your spirits. Peace. --Boston (talk) 02:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello
All of those sources are from the article Koreans in Mongolia. If you would like more information, please read the article. Have a good day. Russian Luxembourger (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Copying some photos to Wiki Commons
Hello,
You have posted quite a few valuable photographs to the English Wiki, but I feel that they would be more "visible" if they had been posted to Wiki Commons as well (or instead). Namely, the photos from User:Benlisquare/Gallery#2008_Chinese_Winter_Storms could fir very well in commons:Category:2008 Chinese winter storms, where there are only a few photos from the last year's snowstorm season so far. This way, the images could be used not just in the English wiki but in all other projects as well. Of course, when posting to Commons, we have to pay attention to their license rules, which may be somewhat different from the English wiki. Thanks! Vmenkov (talk) 01:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it's impossible to embed an image posted to en.wiki into an article in any other wiki - the image has to be on Commons. Besides, another advantage of having the image on Commons is that it's easier to find, due to Commons' well-developed category structure, and links to the appropriate Commons category (via the "commonscat" tag) from various languages wikis (as I've just done in zh:2008年中国雪灾). As to the licenses, if you've taken the picture itself, and it does not depict anything that's "copyrightable" on its own (e.g., not a photo of a modern painting), you can just pick a GFDL or CC license from the license selection box during uploading. If it's done by someone else - e.g., a family member who agrees to you uploading the image under such a license - I guess you can just pick the same license, indicate the author's name in the appropriate field, and mention somewhere (in "Permissions", I guess) that he's your family member and has authorized you to release his photo under such-and-such license. I've done it once with a photo sent by my brother. Now, in some cases - such as, uploading a picture that has appeared somewhere on the web already - other Wiki Commons editors may request confirmation that the author of the photo has really released it under a GDFL/CC license; in that case you'll need to have the author to send a special email to OTRS (they have a multilingual procedure for it). But I think usually such verification is not asked for. Vmenkov (talk) 04:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- I understand. OTRS is a pain to use - I wish they had an easy web UI, without the participants having to actually compose and send long messages. Thanks anyway for your response. Vmenkov (talk) 09:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Nine exterminations
Shubinator (talk) 05:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Again, thanks. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 05:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
sorry
but your revert is nonsense. you must fix its grammar. but you must not whole revert. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
and your edited version is serious Chinese side POV. Anti-CNN is not a proper source. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 10:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Please prove that any trusted media source, "Korean violated to Chinese". I Point out that it is a Chinhese Internet made "Fake". like 孙中山 was Korean?[1] Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 10:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Can you read Korean language? [2]Template:Ko
- 시민행동 김규호 목사는 "우리가 돌과 금속절단기를 손에 들고 있는 장면은 중국 시위대의 폭력행위가 모두 종료된 뒤 기자들에게 날아온 물건들에 대해 설명하고 있는 것이다"고 말했다.
- 김 목사는 "문제의 동영상은 매우 악의적인 왜곡이어서 방치할 경우 사실을 잘 알지 못하는 중국인이나 외국인들이 오해할 것으로 여겨진다. 또 제 개인에 대해서도 심각한 명예훼손 행위다"라고 말했다.
Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 10:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Are you assuming that I cannot? And are you assuming that your POV is not unbalanced, while mine is? I have no way to comprehend what you are intending to state, or how you claim that my edits are incorrect. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 10:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- (my corrected edit) But, The Chinese sites' claim, based on the image, is 'fake'.
- The Korean article explains the photos like this ;
- After the incident, Korean citizens were explaining to news reporters how violent the chinese rioters were to them, showing the tools used by the Chinese. They said "Chinese were using these tools. They hold up the bicycle and tried to strike us, like this."(They were mimicking the Chinese rioters' action in front of the news reporters) However, Chinese internet users fabricated a story with the images and claim that Koreans attacked Chinese students with the tools.
- (my corrected edit) Following the 2008 Sichuan Earthquake, Some Koreans posted Anti-China comments on the Internet, which was originally caused by Chinese students' riot during the Olympic torch relay in the capital of S.Korea. Although almost every Koreans posted condolence to the Chinese victims[39], Chinese internet users ignored the fact, and spread nothing but some Koreans' Anti-Chinese comments. They've neglected the same kinds of responses from Japanese users.Japanese netizens also posted Anti-China comments throughout forums on the Internet,[40][41][42][43] Chinese Internet doesn't pick Anti-China comments from Japanese. and only pick bad comments from S.Korea.
- (Eg.)[3]
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:25:38 ID:+jkojSKI0] どうせなら、チベット虐殺の元凶どもがいるところで大地震が発生 すればよかったのにな Die. all chinese.
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 mailto:sage [2008/05/13(火) 20:27:00 ID:oL5GmVKB0] 南京大虐殺みたいに被害者捏造してんじゃね?
- they fabricated victims, too? like nanking massacre?
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:29:48 ID:LcY+93LP0] 支那蛆虫のクソガキが折り重なって野垂れ死んだのは爽快でした。 日本国民は、全員、爆笑しました。
- We Japanese are really feel refreshing when 支那蛆虫 died.
- 名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:25:38 ID:+jkojSKI0] どうせなら、チベット虐殺の元凶どもがいるところで大地震が発生すればよかったのにな EarthQuake, Please Kill more and more... tibetan murders!(Chinese).
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:26:38 ID:O/k4UPja0] 漢民族が死ぬのはまったく困らんが、55の少数民族に被害が出たとしたら、 心からお悔やみを申し上げる
- I really happy when many Han Chinese dead. it is not tragedy.
- but i do not want minor race dead.
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:26:52 ID:LcY+93LP0]
- 反日野郎の死を心から喜び、お祝い申し上げますwwwwwww白眼をむきながら地獄へ堕ちろwwwww
- I really happy when Anti-Japanese goons are dead. (laugh)
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:26:54 ID:UIcqllBV0]
- 漢民族だけ、もっと死ね!
- もう一回や二回でかいやつ、北京と上海で起れww
- Please, Earthquake, kill only Han Chinese!
- 名前:名無しさん@八周年 [2008/05/13(火) 20:27:15 ID:UjtZNZh80]
- どうか2次災害で沢山の中国人が死にますように
- More Chinese die! i feel happy. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 11:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey! this is not your blog. this wikipedia. you want collect every single anti-china stuffs?
- Wikipedia:Content forking
- "A content fork is usually an unintentional creation of several separate articles all treating the same subject. A point of view (POV) fork is a content fork deliberately created to avoid neutral point of view guidelines, often to avoid or highlight negative or positive viewpoints or facts. Both content forks and POV forks are undesirable on Wikipedia, as they avoid consensus building and therefore violate one of our most important policies."
Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 11:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Re [4]: Quoting examples from unreliable sources and drawing conclusions from them is precisely the definition of Original research. I deleted the section about the Sichuan Earthquake because it claimed to draw conclusions about Chinese and Japanese internet users at large based on a few forum posts. In fact what should be done in this case is to rely on the examples which have been presented in reliable sources and the conclusions which those reliable sources have drawn from the examples, not coming up with one's own summary of a bunch of unrelated forum posts. cab (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)