Talk:California State Route 1

Question

Can anyone state, how long it takes to drive from LA to san franciso on csr1? -pedro

I went from Long Beach to San Francisco in 11.5 hours, driving fairly but not dangerously fast. But I don't think that travel time is really encyclopedic, nor is this a discussion board.134.139.214.73 (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Layout

What do I do with the state law section of this page? I had to use the {{-}} to push the section down... but since the routebox is huge it leaves lots of blank space... --Rschen7754 23:44, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

If you want to know the truth, I think the law section detracts from the article. If the California highway code was put into a repository such as Wikisource, and then linked to from the article, it would be much better. Gentgeen 17:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

However, the WikiProject specifications require that a state law section be placed in the article...--Rschen7754 18:01, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

History and future aspirations

Does anyone know any history or future aspirations for CA-1? --Rschen7754 17:36, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

There are plans to move the route along Rice Avenue in Oxnard and move the 101/1 interchange three miles east. That's about it. Floydspinky71 01:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Some history would be helpful, e.g., an indication of when it was first built, or first named as a unit.--24.52.254.62 21:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Northern end; also picture

Highway 1? In Ferndale? I didn't know it went north of Leggett, where it meets 101. (Nor does Mapquest.)

Also, since we don't know the source of the photo, are we quite sure it's Hwy 1? I'm not saying it isn't, but it looks a great deal like the road from Four Corners (Mill Valley) to Muir Woods. It would be nice to have a pic with some ocean in it, which would be unambiguous as well as picturesque. Maybe I'll get around to taking one. Dandrake 23:48, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I have added a picture of mine to the article, looking northward along the coast. I personally think its more pleasing than the other picture (because the other picture looks to be taken on a stormy day), but obviously more is better. If anyone can improve the layout i'd be appreciative, i cant figure out a way to align it better. -Lanoitarus 05:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox on this article is too long. Can't y'all find some other way to hold that information? SchmuckyTheCat 22:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

We can certainly cut down on the list of "Major cities and towns". -Will Beback 22:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ouch. A lot of the information in the current infobox would be better served by being in the article itself; the list of major cities that Route 1 runs through is great information, but isn't especially well-served in a "quick reference" fashion. EVula 23:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

We can switch to {{infobox CA Route}} as in User:SPUI/State Route 15 (California). --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 00:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

We have debates about this, just look around through the road Wp pages. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)

Also the routebox has been cut down significantly as of yesterday to major cities and junctions so it should be fine now.JohnnyBGood 18:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The current infobox is not working right on this page.Richard Hendricks 00:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Length

(not counting breaks (concurrencies))

I-5

• Orange 33.72
• Los Angeles 62.87
• Ventura 21.08

US 101

• Ventura 28.48-21.25

US 101

• Santa Barbara 36.50-40.03+50.61
• San Luis Obispo 16.77

US 101

• San Luis Obispo 74.63-16.78
• Monterey 102.03
• Santa Cruz 8.26-8.06+37.45
• San Mateo 47.80

I-280

• San Mateo 48.56-48.34
• San Francisco 7.32

US 101/Golden Gate Bridge

• Marin 50.51
• Sonoma 58.58
• Mendocino 10.58-10.64+13.22-13.26+25.96-26.44+49.94-50.03+51.54-51.87+52.53-52.64+56.06-56.73+65.15-65.16+66.05-66.07+81.70-82.01

US 101

total 548.59

Unprotected

Any problems, please sort on talk page. Rich Farmbrough 11:36 8 March 2006 (UTC).

Exit list

Could we still have junctions, in a separate article? Maybe an exit list? Somewhere along the lines of California State Route 1 (Exit list) or similar? --Geopgeop 08:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I added it in. It's still incomplete as I haven't put in statewide postmiles (the Cal-Nexus exit numbers are somewhat of that, but true numbers will need to be added eventually). If anybody can do the postmile calculations using the California bridge logs at http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/structur/strmaint/brlog2.htm , I ask that you please do. --Geopgeop 06:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Due to rains...

the earth has cracked under the roadbed of Route 1 near Devil's Slide. This means the road to Pacifica has been CLOSED indefinitely. --Geopgeop 07:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I added an external link to Coastsider.com because of the Devil's Slide closure. I'm still pretty new here, so if I shouldn't have done that, please let me know. Thanks! --Clarinetplayer 03:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Missing pieces

It seems to me that various smaller pieces of the highway description are missing. For example, between Lincoln Boulevard and PCH Santa Monica, 1 runs on Olympic Boulevard; between I-280 and 19th Ave., 1 runs on Juniperro Serra Boulevard; between Park Presidio and the bridge, it runs along the approach known as Doyle Dr.; and in Point Arena, it is both Main St. and School St. Is this correct, and are there any other missing pieces? (Also, Leggett is far north of the S.F. Bay Area, so this section should be renamed.) Calbaer 00:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• Feel free to add more details. I was the one who originally rewrote it back in January. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Lead: too much clutter & detail

(This is copied from our user talk pages.)

Please explain your reasoning for re-adding such a long and detailed listing of local names back into the lead. You used this edit summary:

(As per the guidelines of WP:R#What needs to be done on pages that are targets of redirects?, merging the "Segment names" section back to the lead intro section)

Are there such redirects, and if so, where are they? Wouldn't it be more logical to change them, than to violate the principles regarding WP:LEAD?

I would suggest changing the redirects, restoring the section, and then mentioning that section in the lead, according to the guidelines for the lead:

State Route 1, often called Highway 1, is a state highway that runs along a large length of the Pacific coast of the U.S. State of California. Certain segments of the highway have their own (local) names. Highway 1 is famous for running by some of the most beautiful coastlines in the world, leading to its designation as an All-American Road.

How does that sound? If there are redirects that need changing, I'd be happy to help do it. -- Fyslee/talk 06:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC) (Source: [1])

I don't know what part of California you are from, but here in Southern California, it is very common to refer to a freeway or highway by its full, descriptive name. There are scores of examples from the L.A. media and other sources that use the "Pacific Coast Highway" name instead of "Highway 1".

The spirit of WP:R and WP:LEAD is that commonly used, alternate names should be included, in bold, in the lead section. At the very least, the lead section should be similar to what it was during the very first version of this article.[2] Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC) (Source: [3])

I'm from the Berdoo area. Bolding in the lead does apply, but only about the title of the article, so if you had a specific article about the PCH, then that would be bolded, but this is about the whole Hwy 1, which has many local sections with their own names. That fact should indeed be mentioned in the lead, but the lead isn't for including a long list of local names. It makes it cluttered. The same applies to myriad articles here, for example falcons. We don't list all the different kinds of falcons in the lead, and in bold letters. Such details get elaborated on later in the body of the article in their own section. The only thing that gets to be in bold is the word falcon. -- Fyslee/talk 22:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC) (Source: [4])

• Actually, my preference for the lead would be similar to this version.[5] Having lived in NoCal, in common usage, they never refer it to as the "Cabrillo Highway" or the "Shoreline Highway". Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have also lived in Northern California (Napa Valley and Auburn areas). That previous version has no real lead. The whole article is in the lead! Actually, according to the Lead guidelines, that first sentence nearly qualified as the lead, and the rest as the body. Such material often starts with a "background" heading and then uses appropriate headings depending on the subject matter. The local names topic makes a big enough section to deserve its own heading.

I have a rule of thumb to ensure that WP:LEAD is fulfilled: If it deserves its own heading, it's notable enough to deserve mention in the lead, but only briefly. In my proposed heading above, the fact (that there are local names) gets mentioned. Those who want to learn more can get all the details by reading the section. -- -- Fyslee/talk 23:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Control Cities

Yes, I have not start on that sections. I will if I have time but I have to go in 5 minutes.Freewayguy 03:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC) HPShu 789194

Santa Cruz

I'm not sure that this sentence is entirely correct: "Upon reaching downtown Santa Cruz, it continues as Mission Street and Coast Road before regaining the Cabrillo Highway name." It seems to me that downtown is a couple of blocks away from where SR1 meets up with Mission Street (at Chestnut Street).

Also, the SR17 interchange is usually called the Fishhook (due to its shape), and it might deserve a mention as an oddity. The first time you drive north on SR1 through Santa Cruz, it feels like you're taking an unexpected exit. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, chalk me up as confused. I don;t get this. I thought the 101 was the coastal highway and the US 1 was on the east coast. Is California route 1 simply a highway that shares a common alignment with route 101??? If anyone could help explain how the 101 is not the state route 1 and what exactly the state route 1 is, it would be much appreciated. TotallyTempo (talk) 05:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)