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Eichmann sentence

Generally, I don't rv non-anons without commenting to them so I thought I'd note I reverted your revert on Holocaust. The initial insertion about Eichmann may have been from a supporter—trial was rendered in quotes as if it were illegitimate and Eichmann was described as "mastermind"—however, myself and another use paused over and changed the sentence. As it stands, it doesn't imply any support for Eichmann. Noting that he was kidnapped in Argentina is quite interesting and deserves a mention—it made me pause to read his page re-fresh my knowledge. Marskell 00:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I rarely watch the page so I will leave it. However, reverting over not one but three users is poor form. Marskell 09:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

To qualify an overly-brusque response: it doesn't make sense to revert based on an initial change without considering two subsequent emendations. You don't like the scare quotes--I had removed them. "Mastermind" was POV--the word was changed by STR. The sentence as it stood was factual and NPOV and precisely the sort of interesting point that makes readers stop to follow a link. As for 70k, the change was a total of six words; if it does not dis-improve do not remove. Marskell 11:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Move chaos

Jay, can you help me to undo a page move? I'm having a lot of problems with Academic degree and Double degree, which were merged and then moved, and now the edit history for Double degree has disappeared. I had this once before and you fixed it. Can you look again, please? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

E-mail

Hi Jay, I dropped you an e-mail via your "e-mail this user" tab...did you get it? Regards, Babajobu 06:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jay, I'll drop you another e-mail on Monday, but I think we can address concerns around privacy. Babajobu 11:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Advice please

Hello, I'm Lisa, User:RachelBrown's flatmate. Can you please see the history of List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society. All I've been doing is protecting my edit against vandals. - 81.153.41.72 16:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks - seems very unfair, but I won't revert again. Is the 3RR a serious threat? I don't want to annoy Rachel. - 81.153.41.72 17:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Yuber's new article

Can you believe this guy. I would be in awe of the fact that he can seemingly edit an infinite number of articles simultaeneously, except for the fact that in every one he is pushing a ridiculous point of view. Anyways I reverted back to your version (I'm sure he will revert back in about 30 seconds). Can you believe they actually compared Guy to him?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:14, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 05:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Dubious link

Could I ask you to take a (thorough) look at Talk:Jewish exodus from Arab lands#Dubious link? I still think this is a very problematic link, and that our captioning does not give a clue. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Your POV on this?

At Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Halibutt, Vb is using the recent discussion at History of Jews in Poland, specifically mentioning your edits, as the reason for his opposition. I thought you may want to comment there on your view of this event.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

A request

Hi Jay. User:Nandesuka has also reviewed circumcision advocacy, and has come to the same conclusion regarding WP:NOR. I therefore think that it should be listed for deletion.

Unfortunately, the article is currently protected, so I'm unable to nominate it myself (or at least unable to add the tag to the article). It either needs unprotecting or an admin needs to nominate. My preference is for the latter, since the reason for protection still exists. I asked Nandesuka, but he didn't want to use admin privileges on a circumcision-related page. I respect his decision, but I can't see that adding a notification message is in any way abusing privileges. I wondered whether you would be willing to do so? Jakew 12:45, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Nazarene

Would you like to add any comments at the Talk:Nazarene page? Budo 03:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Portal:Judaism

I've made the new Judaism Wikiportal. Check it out. Neutrality^talk 03:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit freeze for Mordecai David Unger

Hi Jay: Kindly place a freeze on the page of Mordecai David Unger based on my last edits until the vandalism stops. Thanks. IZAK 04:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit freeze for Ben Zion Halberstam (The Second)

Similarly, please freeze the page at Ben Zion Halberstam (The Second) until vandalism ceases. Thanks a lot. IZAK 04:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I've left messages on the talk pages of both Bobov articles with a warning that they will be protected if they don't behave. JFW | T@lk 08:10, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Jayjg,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, JoanneB 15:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

yuber again

can you please help me with this? i have asked other people for help including equitor and slimvirgin, but nobody does anything, and slimVirgin is taking his side. John McW 15:28, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

thank you for looking into it. John McW 16:48, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA

Hi Jayjg,

I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL ^(talk) 15:34, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Luther and my RfA

Hi, Jay. Sorry I haven't been able to add anything to the discussion about Luther and the Jewish people. I know very little about Luther's attitude towards Jews, and knew even less before reading the article about him and the one on Martin Luther and Antisemitism! I did have a look after getting your message, and I looked at the edit history of Luther article, too. But it was complicated, as I hadn't been there at the time. The dispute seems to have died down now, anyway. I made a few changes (to clarify Catholic teaching) which were reverted/modified, but I tried again, making them clearer, and they seem to have been accepted.

I want to thank you also for your support on my RfA. It's very flattering that people who don't agree with me on article content still voted to support me. I expect to continue to feel the way I do about article edits, but I do promise never to abuse my administrator's tools in order to get my own way in a content dispute.

By the way, just so that you'll recognize me next time we meet on Wikipedia, please see here. Thanks again. Cheers. Ann Heneghan ^(talk) 18:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Martin Luther and the Jews

Help! [1] and [2]; cf. [3]

I think that entire passage needs to go. It smacks of "oh well, yeah Luther hated Jews, but he hated everyone... what a rascally old curmudgeon". I don't like the notion that this is "a part of the times" because I regard that as a very simplistic, unencyclopedic statement. As I point out, Philip Melencthon and others during the same period had relatively enlightened views towards the Jews. So the "Luther was no more antisemitic than anyone else" motif is a total cop-out. --Briangotts 21:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jay. Could you please comment on the attempts to remove a sourced short quote in Talk:Martin Luther#Martin Luther and the Jews - the summary needs rework. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 22:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Jews in Poland

Hi there! Some time ago you took part in the discussion on Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Rising_anti-Semitism_-_kosher_slaughter and stated that the anti-kosher laws were in fact modelled after Nazi laws. I finally had some time to adress your concerns there and quote the sources which, IMO, prove your arguments wrong.

BTW, there's my RfA going on and I thought you might be interested in it, especially that one of the users opposed my candidacy because I did not start a revert war against your edits to that article (yup!). Halibutt 01:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Merging Ethnic Jew into Jew

Hi Jay: I have recently come across the article Ethnic Jew composed by User:Zestauferov once upon a time because he felt "This page is created in response to the lack of NPOV on the Jew page...11 May 2004". After all this time, the article is basically redundant because all the "base lines" are indeed discussed and covered in the main Jew article (as well as in the Judaism article). I have therefore inserted a merge template on the Ethnic Jew page. Can you please look into this. Thanks. IZAK 02:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Ianblair23's RfA

G'day Jayjg,

I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It closed with the final tally of 57/0/0. I can only hope I can live up to the expectations that this wonderful community of ours demands from each of its administrators. If you ever need anything, please just let me know. Cheers! -- Ianblair23 (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

some adult suervision is needed at...

Palestinian_exodus to make it NPOV. Thanks for your help. Zeq 17:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Neofascism and religion

Hi Jay: Are you aware of this abomination: Neofascism and religion#Judaism? What's your opinion? I have tried to add some "rational info" for whatever it's worth. Take a look. Maybe the whole article should be nominated for deletion? IZAK 11:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

List of dictators

Hey there, I would be grateful for your assistance in countering the systematic vandalism of a admin on the List of Dictators page. An administrator is blanking the page every few hours, without any AfD or anything. Yours,

jucifer 23:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Change in remedy you voted for

I changed Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Rex071404_4/Proposed_decision#Enforcement_by_block after you voted. Fred Bauder 02:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Kabbalah followers

Hi Jay: I have nominated the outlandich category of Category:Kabbalah followers for deletion, see the reasoning and please vote at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 24. Thanks IZAK 10:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

You will, alas, need to read this

Please take a stand against hate on WP. [4]BrandonYusufToropov 12:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Apartheid

Reply over here. Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 01:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The eXile

Jay, could I ask for your help with something? As you may know, there has been a complaint about possibly defamatory material [5] in The eXile. It was added or defended mostly by Dsol (talk · contribs) and Clarence Thomas (talk · contribs), now editing as Ryan Utt (talk · contribs). I removed the disputed section, but 81.195.29.88 (talk · contribs) added it again yesterday, then when it was reverted, Dsol restored it. I left a warning on Dsol's talk page, [6] but he responded by saying he'll reinsert it if he wants to. [7] Would you mind putting the page on your watchlist, as an uninvolved admin? I believe that Dsol and Clarence Thomas are both involved with The eXile, though Dsol denies this. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleting frivolous Jewish categories

Hi Jay: Kindly take a look at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 25#Sub-Categories of Jewish people. This area needs some cut-backs again. IZAK 03:10, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. As I wrote, I was looking forward to feedback from the community, and I would like to let you know that you should please feel free to leave any further feedback for me you may have for me in the future at my Talk page. Thanks again. Jkelly 09:01, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

I'm another new admin here to say thanks for the support. I appreciate the kind comments and the time you took to check my edits. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I'm learning the ropes with the new buttons. Steve block talk 10:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Campaign to delete Jewish categories

please vote here Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Sub-Categories_of_Jewish_people. Arniep 13:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

References/external links name-change proposal

Jay, something you might want to look at. There's a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#References_title_misread_as_non-web_External_links to change the References header to "Sources", and External links to "Further reading". So far, the proposal has been accepted by all the editors on the page, but because Wikipedia:Verifiability is a policy page, I'm putting it out for further discussion before changing it.

The reason for the proposal is that using "References" and "External links" is confusing. Sources are supposed to be listed under References, and any further reading is listed under Further reading or External links. But many editors think that any external links, whether used as sources or not, should go under External links, so then they list any material that isn't online, like books, under References, even if not used as a source. To cut through all this confusion, the proposal is to change the headers to Sources and Further reading, which are self-explanatory, and don't make the online/offline distinction. Comments would be welcomed. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Blocks and things

Hi, I was asked by zen-master to investigate your block on him. With the many reverts he's made, I don't see a problem with blocking him. However, I have not yet seen any of what I would consider personal attacks. Are you talking about the "I urge the POV bot gang to stop playing games" typo comments? I find that quite rude and incivil, but not a personal attack.

Additionally, I strongly feel that admins should never use their power in disputes they are directly involved in. Being involved gives a person bias, and will often be very controversial. If there is a good basis for a block, then it really doesn't take much effort or time to ask an uninvolved admin to consider blocking. My feelings are even stronger when the dispute is a revert war.

Also, revert wars with absolutely no discussion are quite silly, and they do absolutely no good. --Phroziac _. o º ^{O (mmm chicken)} 01:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I concur with Phro on 2 and 3, 2 being from personal experience, but I don't have much respect the clarity of WP:NPA as it is, so i'll stay away from that. However, I talked to zen-master on IRC today as well today(as well as hearing from him several times via e-mail after I blocked him on that 3RR a few days ago), and I think he's lost perspective for sure, but ultimately he's more frustrated than malicious it seems. Maybe a Mediation initiated by you as a good faith thing might help here. I dunno, just a thought. karmafist 04:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. The reason nobody objected to the blocks was probably simply because he needed it. I understood the reason you blocked him, but I just wanted to let you know that I agreed with the block, but for a different reason then you placed it. :) --Phroziac _. o º ^{O (mmm chicken)} 03:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Left this for Ta bu, want you to read it too, dammit

(I had imagined, perhaps foolishly, that you would be among the people who would stand up against hate speech here, Jay.)

If I may boil this down

• (Examples -- Blowjob, Zionazi -- proving you are being utterly inconsistent with this)

• "Gee, fascinating point, but, um, neocons really need to stand unchallenged in this particular case, but anyway thanks for raising this, and, er, what if you go fix those articles yourself?"

• It is not my point (as though you didn't know) that Blowjob and Zionazi -- and Kike and Gun nut and Judeofascism -- "need work." My point is rather that a systemic bias exists preventing those harsh, controversial terms from meriting separate articles (and the perceived legitimacy such an article implies), and b) that this systemic bias has, at the same time, no problem whatsoever with harsh, controversial terms like Islamofascism or Feminazi or Raghead. (If I may quote from that article: "Sikhs (who wear turbans) are particularly offended at being lumped together with Islamic 'ragheads.' -- Can you picture a sentence like that in Kike? Oh wait, never mind that article doesn't exist, so it's a moot @#$%^&* point.)

• Could you please do me a favor and read the above paragraph again, carefully?

• What I have perhaps grown slightly weary of hearing:

• "Gee, if you want to try pushing Zionazi, you can, but I don't think you'll get it up the hill..." THIS IS PRECISELY MY POINT, TA BU.

• What I have perhaps grown equally weary of hearing:

• "Inconsistent? Who's being inconsistent? Tell you what, why don't you go spend some time on Blowjob? And, while you're at it, uh, stop bothering me?" That's what the neocons say when they want me to go away, Ta bu, and frankly I imagine that's your objective too. BrandonYusufToropov 12:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Check-user request

Jay, would you consider doing a check user, please, for Chaosfeary (talk · contribs) and CltFn (talk · contribs)? Some editors on the Islam-related pages are wondering if they're the same person (I don't agree with them, but they insist there are similiarities in style.) There has been a lot of reverting and some personal attacks from both, particularly the former. There's also a suspicion that Chaosfeary is User:Enviroknot, which I find more plausible. I believe 209.123.8.125 (talk · contribs) is also involved, probably an open proxy. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Jay, that's very helpful. I'll pass it on. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message

I certainly understand your position.

Is "kike" encyclopedic, in your view? BrandonYusufToropov 12:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Jayjg. After talking to zen-master on IRC and e-mail, it seems that he's more frustrated than malicious, but that's just from brief exposure to him(I skimmed over the rfar), i'm sure you and others have a different perspective. Anyway, I gave him my two cents on how to avoid issues like this in the future, and IMO, I think it'd be huge if you could just go over there and say "Hey, zen-master, i'll respect you if you respect me, ok?" You might have done this in the past, I don't know, but the sense i'm getting is that he feels that the world's against him right now, and realizing that it's not might shatter that pereception, which I believe is fueling his behavior. It might not work, but it's worth a shot. Despite everything, he's still far more congenial that Pigsonthewing, an editor i've had to deal with lately who's out to discredit pretty much anybody who disagrees with him to the point that they leave Wikipedia. Knowing him, even this edit here will probably soon be followed by something like "Please desist with this fallacious unfounded personal attacks" or some other templatized tripe.karmafist 14:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing, an editor i've (sic) had to deal with lately who's out to discredit pretty much anybody who disagrees with him to the point that they leave Wikipedia Another unfounded allegation, for which I challenge you to provide evidence, knowing full well that you cannot do so.

Knowing him, even this edit here will probably soon be followed by something like "Please desist with this fallacious unfounded personal attacks" or some other templatized tripe If you didn't keep posting fallacious unfounded personal attacks, I wouldn't be able to keep pointing out that you were doing so. Andy Mabbett 12:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dispute on Reform Judaism article

We seem to have a problem with the set of articles on Reform Judaism. Did you know that Reform Jews accept Jewish law and tradition as binding and normative, much like Orthodox Jews do? Neither did I, probably because such a claim is patently false. Did you know that Halakha is not Jewish law, and the customs of other groups, like the Samaritans and Karaites is "Jewish law", and that the practice of Reform Jews is also "Jewish law"? Therefore - by this linguistic trick - one is forced to claim that Reform Jews are observant of Jewish law! This kind of linguistic trickery is propaganda, and not worthy of an encyclopedia entry which tries to openly and honestly describe what people believe and practice.

I am afraid that a couple of otherwise well-meaning contributors have fallen for this misleading wordplay. In fact, most Reform rabbis throghly agree with me. Most Reform rabbis that I have spoken to explicitly admit that Reform teaches that Jewish law and tradition (i.e. halakha) is not normative (to be taken upon yourself as binding) - and most admit that Reform Judaism actively discourages certain elements of halakha.

For some time it has been a settled useage on Wikipedia that (a) halakha is often usefully translated as "Jewish law and tradition", or something like that, (b) the practice of Karaites and Samaritans is not usefully or accurately described as "Jewish law"; they are quite different groups! and (c) Reform Judaism does not accept that halakha is normative. Yet in the last few weeks two Reform apologists have begun rewriting these basic facts to make Reform look as traditional as Orthodox, which is both a diservice to actual Reform Judaism and to Orthodox Judaism. It also will confuse and mislead the vast majority of people who read our articles. Please take a look at the discussion. 00:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Circumcision advocacy

Do you have any thoughts on what to do here? I'm running out of ideas. Cheers. Jakew 16:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

User:BrandonYusufToropov continues to make personal attacks on me

UserBrandonToropov has been harassing me, User:Ta bu shi da yu and User:Klonimus keeps making personal attacks in edit histories to make them not easily viewable except by people he doesn't like the edits of.

See:

• edit on Talk:Jihad
• Removal of move requests by me and more "evil"/"damien"-like insults
• Islamofascism (term) edit history
• User_talk:Ta bu shi da yu
• User_talk:HappyCamper

(+) edit *personal attack left on Talk:Islamofascism (term) about Klonimus

He says sorry in the edit history of Islamofascism (term) but that only appeared after I made a complaint about him on this page which is also mentioned on User:Francs2000's talk page - He obviously saw it and is worried that he might actually get in trouble for it at last.

I have been blocked once for making *one* personal attack on him already (see User_talk:Chaosfeary#Block) by User:SlimVirgin (I called him an "ugly little anal-troll" in an edit history, the previous edit by him had in the edit history "don't listen to chaosfeary enviroknot sockpuppet" or some crap like that

It seems there's one rule for everyone else yet he is allowed to insult people all he wants... --Chaosfeary 15:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC) --Chaosfeary 15:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

He removed User:CambridgeBayWeather's warning on User_talk:BrandonYusufToropov, much as he tends to remove any comments he doesn't like..

So, how come when I attack him, I get blocked (by User:SlimVirgin), but he is free to do what he wants and continue to insult multiple people violating WP:NPA? I only made *one* insult against him and I was immediately blocked.

See the links above, those are just some of the examples.. I would not be surprised if he in fact was a sockpuppet of User:Yuber (see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber, he has used sockpuppets before) since he was the one to start calling me "enviroknot" (an old enemy of his apparently) then quieted down and then BrandonYusuf starts in his place.. Suspicious... --Chaosfeary 16:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

New kid on block

Please have a look at the contributions of Kevhorn (talk · contribs). JFW | T@lk 22:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Please have a look at Noachian Law and its AFD. Thanks. JFW | T@lk 00:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Jayjg, I need a hand on Talk:Noahide Laws. JFW | T@lk 10:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Israel Shamir

I have been blocked for violating the 3 edit rule. I have no intention of starting an edit war, but the deletions of my edits was malicious, especially considering that I made retifications to the edits once notified of my POV violations. The violations were inadvertant, but clearly the page has in many cases been edited for dubious reasons. If Israel Shamir is described as an 'anti-Zionist' writer, then surely it is expected that his writings will contain anti-Israel material? To delete it because one quote is anti-Israel seems to me to be way over the top. Anyhow, how long does the block last? - Joh Domingo

Animal rights

Jay, I've put up a RfPP for the above because FuelWagon has started up again. Would you mind taking a look, please? See Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Animal_rights? Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Tell Me About It

I see POTW almost the same way, he's consistently gotten into pointless revert wars, usually over a word or two that several people check him on. If I could, I would wave a magic wand and help him learn how to play nice with others, but I can't, and I don't think he wants to from what i've seen of him so far.

Zen-Master genuinely seems to, at least from his talking to me on IRC the other day, but can't for fear that he's part of this vast conspiracy against himself or something. You more likely than I know if it's "The Chicken or the Egg" (whether he started this because of something else, or this started because of solely him)

I don't know if you've ever tried working with him before(I assume so, but irregardless), but if he could have something that would chip away at that "Everybody's out to get me" perspective, that might solve things, I don't know. All I know is that this rfar is eating away at my beliefs, i'm becoming like POTW to protect others from POTW, and at least trying to help give zen-master some hope that there isn't some vast conspiracy where he has to mass revert everything at least slightly cathartic to me. karmafist 22:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

i'm becoming like POTW. Please don't try to smear me by claiming that your recent abhorrent behaviour is anything you've learned from me. Andy Mabbett 09:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I Tried

Well, in regards to here and here, it looks like I was mistaken in making any progress. Oh well, it was worth a shot. At least something came of it, this gave me a better perspective on my current woes. Please let me know what I can do to resolve the Pigsonthewing situation in the arbcom, and i'll do it as long as Pigsonthewing stops his constant edit warring. That was my goal in the beginning, and i've lost track of that. karmafist 02:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

DeNiro

Is not Jewish at all. Just a web rumour. "“I am part Italian, I’m not all Italian. I’m part Dutch, I’m part French, I’m part German, I’m part Irish. But my name is Italian,” he said. “And I probably identify more with my Italian side than with my other parts...Italy is such a great, wonderful country. I’m very proud and honored to be asked to be a citizen.”" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5982475/ We DO cite sources. I think you underestimate me, Arniep, and everyone who works on these ethnicity-American categories. Wikipedia now has the most correct information on most actors out of any website on the internet, and definitely a lot more correct than crap websites like the IMDB, which still claims DeNiro is 3/4 Irish, that his mother was born an Irish Catholic! (she was Prebyterian) and that she became Jewish (I highly doubt that).Vulturell 03:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Syria

Yuber (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is back to his old games of removing links to things he doesn't approve of. In this case, David Duke's solidarity visit to Syria. Reverting without first talking about it etc.Klonimus 02:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)