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Closing this thread - A number of editors left comments in this section asking me to look at the dispute at the Albanian nationalism article. All those involved should consider following the steps of WP:Dispute resolution. These steps, such as WP:RFC/U, have the potential of bringing in administrators when the issue is sufficiently prepared and documented. I'm not planning to work on the complaints that were left here so far, so I'm closing the thread. EdJohnston (talk) 16:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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I tried two other admins but got no response from them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalism Please take a look at the article, its talk page and its revision history. Megistias, a greek editor, has purposefully created this article in order to smear Albania and Albanians. He misqoutes and miscites many of the information he has put up in the article. He is continously engaged in an edit war with 3 other editors, and refuses any sort of compromise. This is clearly seen in the talk page, as he continously assumes bad faith and morever very uncivil to the other editors, calling them an "Albanian gang" that wants to committ vandalism and that they need to "scuffy out of the article". Morever he has been blocked 4 other times, for the same uncivil behavior and edit warring. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AMegistias I think he needs to be dealt with, along with the article he has created. Wikipedia is not for propaganda as Megistias is doing, but for informing. Thank You. --I Pakapshem (talk) 21:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Consider adding your opinion to the RfC at Talk:Albanian nationalism#Albanian nationalism POV. Admins are not supposed to intervene in content disputes. There are already articles on Serbian nationalism and Greek nationalism. Megistias has not been blocked since April 2008, which is a long time ago. If this article matters a lot to you, I suggest doing research on the sources to try to upgrade the quality of the material. I recall leaving you some suggestions about research in Albanian sources over at User talk:I Pakapshem#Famous Himariots, but I don't believe this led to anything. EdJohnston (talk) 02:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I have added my opinion. I don't think you looked at the whole thing carefully, or the reverts back and forth between the editors and also Megistias' tone of communicating with the other editors trying to reach a compromise with him. From my experience here, it seems like admins don't have any sort of uniformity of dealing with things and rather they make arbitrary decisions. I have been banned in some instances even because an admin thought I was edit warring, even though I was not breaking actual rules. Anyways...--I Pakapshem (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, you don't give us any easy questions to solve. 'Please sort out the Balkans' is not a reasonable request to give to admins. 'Check out this 3RR' is often feasible. If you intend to do a lot of work on Balkan articles, you could certainly direct your attention to easier questions. Albanian nationalism is an article that is almost guaranteed to be an eternal source of trouble, no matter how good people's intentions are. But you have the power to work on something else, if you actually want to (e.g. biographies of important Albanians). EdJohnston (talk) 17:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Nobody is asking anybody to please sort out the balkans. I am only asking you to please sort out this abusive, tendentious, nationalistic editor. What I itend to do is from keep the Albanian and Albanian related articles as true and real as possible, which are under heavy siege by Megistias, Athenean, Alexikoua, Factuarius etc. and many other serbian and greek editors whose only objetive seems to be to distort the truth. --I Pakapshem (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No, almost all Albanian related articles are writing from you Pakapshem, the Balkanian's word, the Aigest, the Sarandioti, and the rest of the block and was protected by continued edit-warring and the battleground mentality from all of you. And you are trying now to do the same with that article, by trying to re-establish the nightmare of the impossibility to edit a single word without your permission as you had did with rest of the articles. So please spare my name from your confession of innocence and the good-guys bad-guys fairytales. Thanks, --Factuarius (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Of course we are going to edit them since we are ALBANIAN and who best would know about a certain country than it's own inhabitants, and we edit them because you and the rest of the greeks editors keep distorting everything and anything in the articles in order to undermine Albania and Albanians and to push you nationalistic agenda. This will not stand, and it has nothing to do with fairytales but with reality. Why the hell are all these greeks interested in editing Albanian articles? Is it because they are very good wikipedians and altruist people who want to contribute? Nah, it doesn't look like it at all.--I Pakapshem (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Disruptive activity

Seems a dangerous nationalistic pattern is very active in this discussion with User:I_Pakashem trying to triger an battleground [[1]], [[2]], [[3]], [[4]], [[5]], [[6]], [[7]]. Comments like: ', our neighbors occupy the land and yet they bill us with the extremist nationalist ideology', 'the desire of Albanians to unite all Albanian populated lands into one state is not revanchist but a natural desire of self determination and rule', 'All of the greek editors edits in Albanian or Albanian related articles are always done to undermine..', 'This is what you call talking out of your a**', are really appropriate for wikipedia? I would no doubt if this user feels proud with his block record history.

I really believe that the other Albanian users have good intentions in improving together this article, and we will try in good faith to improve it, but I_Pekepshem is really a bad exeption, launching personal attacks in order to trigger 'chaos'.

I have tried to make some corrections in the lead already, but with this highly disruptive activity by him, I doubt if we have peacuful resultsAlexikoua (talk) 08:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexikoua, why don't you report on the language of your compatriot Megistias? How about your accusations that you have made against me, that I have set you up to be banned and many other ridiculous ones? The ones with bad itentions Alexikoua are you and all the other greek editors. Like I have said, all you guys seem to be extremely interested in editing Albanian and Albanian related article, and never interested in compromising but only pushing your nationalistic POV.--I Pakapshem (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tag Teaming

Seems like Megistias and Alexikoua here are tag teaming not to get into an edit war, by reverting the photo that i added on baseless arguments like "WIth that added the gallery has 3 void spaces,now it has not voids" and "8 images are enough". http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fustanella&action=history--I Pakapshem (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

That's why we have wiki-commons. In the past you had a great desire to add a picture with a fustanella guy. It's ok. Now you want to add another one. Off course you can upload one thousand pictures with Albanians wearing Fustanella and I suggest you create a category in wiki commons for that job. It's obvious the article doesn't need dozent of pictures of the same clothe. Alexikoua (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

There are no restrictions on how many photos the article can have, hence your and Megistia's rvs are quite simply unnecessary and consist of edit warring.--I Pakapshem (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

PARARUBBAS

Hi there ED, VASCO here,

Tried to request checkuser at the proper place, but i was not allowed to, dunno why. I could not write anything after i opened proper box. So, before this new sock, User:Fgh089 ("contributions" here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fgh089) - note name similarity, edits in Portuguese soccer, etc, etc - has a chance to further "contribute", i would appreciate some actions if possible. I only requested investigation (in this case, with checkuser) because i wanted to follow the procedures, i KNOW it's User:Pararubbas!

Take care, ty very much in advance,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for filing a report at WP:SPI. It looks like it is going through the system now, and the SPI editors should be able to handle it. EdJohnston (talk) 19:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Could you have a (pro) look at this one ED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations#Pararubbas)? Turns out vandal had another account (from June!) still undetected - ZXCV08 (do note the name of account) - and i reported it. Strangely enough, it has no replies whatsoever, in four hours. Help needed mate!

Attentively, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 01:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Zxcv08 has been blocked per the SPI. EdJohnston (talk) 01:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Corticopia... yet again.

His disruptive behaviour and his continuous violation of the Wikipedia rules continues, just in order to spread his bias and POV. Check this please, he's again trying to impose a false concept (that doesn't even exist for Latin America!) and thus, starting a revert-war disguised in anonymous IP. [8]

IP 69.158.58.56 (click to see WhoIs), as usual, the same range and from Toronto, Canada. Not to mention the bias and POV he's trying to impose. Thanks for your help in advance. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 21:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

69.158.58.56 is likely to be Corticopia but has made only one edit so far in 2009. EdJohnston (talk) 21:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Does this editor have nothing better than to do than to assail anonymous IPs for minor edits? He has already accused one other editor of being a sockpuppet (Feeeshboy) based on his 'expertise'. Middle America is just as much a 'subregion' of Latin America as North America, Central America, etc. Oh: wait, everything there is pretty much unsourced. So, who is being disruptive? Put a sock in it. 69.158.58.56 (talk) 22:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

What's more, the recent originator of the content in the appropriate section added in "'Central America', 'Meso America'" originally, only for the 'editor' above to change it to suit his petty subjective viewpoint. So, who is imposing the false concept? 69.158.58.56 (talk) 02:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

4 disruptive edits so far (plus every other he's gonna do today) 69.158.58.56 contributions log AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 13:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

How is the adding of that text disruptive? This editor has reverted without explaining why in edit summaries. As well, speaking of 'rules', he may have violated the 3 revert rule. This editor seriously needs to STFU. 69.158.58.56 (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

He's just being disruptive, uncivil, highly agressive, using profanity in edit summaries and other Wikipedia violations. Please check his Contributions log. By the way, he used profanity here, against me look [9] (In case you don't know STFU means shut the fuck up)AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 05:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC) Boo-hoo. Perhaps the administrator is cognizant of and has chosen to ignore this editor's shenanigans. 69.158.58.56 (talk) 06:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Athenean

User has broken his ARMBAC restriction of one revert per week per article.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Athenean Here is the latest revert. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Himar%C3%AB&action=edit&undoafter=314214701&undo=314222464 Sources are provided in the talk page by Aigest with isbn numbers for books and page numbers. His nationalistic POV pushing won't stop.--I Pakapshem (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks like he undid his last revert at 00:45. That clears up the potential 1RR violation. EdJohnston (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I am getting really tired of I Pakapshem's tendentiousness and disruption. His recent contribs log is a graveyard of incivility, filibuster, personal attacks, and vendettas against other users, bogus reports, POV-motivated AfD's, you name it [10] [11] [12]. He is starting to become very disruptive. Enough. --Athenean (talk) 01:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention disruptive canvassing [13]. --Athenean (talk) 05:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Your claims are nonsense. The article is part of TaskForce Albanian and notifying them that is up for deletion is not canvassing at all but a normal thing to do. Canvassing is what you and the other greek editors do.--I Pakapshem (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Take some anger management classes. You can't go around pushing your nationalistic agenda and not expect reprecussions for it.--I Pakapshem (talk) 04:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Himara

Seeing that Athenean was forced to undo his revert of my perfectly fine edit, he has notified his tag team partner Alexikoua to revert my edit nontheless in the Himara claim with the claim that the section added is not properly sourced, although Aigest has clearly provided them in the talk page. This looks like gaming of the system. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Himar%C3%AB&action=history--I Pakapshem (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph was added to the article without including the sources. I assume you intend the items at Talk:Himarë#1481 uprising under Scanderbeg.27s son to serve as sources. You are making very specific claims about the fate of Albanians in Sicily, and not telling us which of a large set of books can be used to back this up. And, you did not provide any inline citations, to help us understand who asserted what. Do you have access to any of these books, so that this material can be substantiated in detail? I found Kurt Treptow's book on Google Books but it had very little to say about Himara. This is literally everything that Google shows from Page 40 (it is only 'Snippet view'):

...vision to Himara. The Albanian victories over Suleiman's troops and the subsequence capture of Himara and Sopot came at a critical time for Ferrante. The Neapolitans were having difficulty financing their..

Can you tell if any facts in the paragraph are substantiated by this? If not, who has access to the book? Someone who wants to add the text should have access. EdJohnston (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Aigest has provided page numbers on the sources he has listed. That should be more than enough, and yes the facts of the successes of the uprising in 1494-1509 are substantiated by the above citation.--I Pakapshem (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

You're asking us to take on faith that the book substantiates what the article says. An actual quote from the book would be more persuasive. If neither you nor Aigest has actually seen the book, I would be doubtful. EdJohnston (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Why would he provide page numbers if he hasn't seen the book? Isn't assuming good faith a wiki thing? If you're not assuming the posivite then you're assuming he just made up the page numbers, right?--I Pakapshem (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is another source. http://books.google.com/books?id=slVpAAAAMAAJ&q=himara+1481&dq=himara+1481 Clearly mentions Himara and the son of Kastrioti.--I Pakapshem (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not saying that I would exclude that paragraph, if it were up to me. But the material has been challenged by other editors, on factual grounds. I expect you will work to try to overcome their doubts. For example, you did not even add the references to the article itself. It is easier to do a little bit of library work or web searching than to try to win the argument in a political controversy. Though you have ongoing disagreements with Alexikoua and Athenean, this particular case is is not really political. It's a question of whether editors who want to add new material will prepare the material thoroughly. If you need any help in formatting references, I can assist. EdJohnston (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It is political, it is always political ed with these guys. This paragraph clearly shows Himara's Albanian heritage and they can't have that because they are trying to claim Himara as greek. Aigest already did the work, and if you google himara 1481 you get the books he mentions in the talk page. I believe the article should be readded and we can add the links to the specifik books from google books. If you can help me do this then that's good.--I Pakapshem (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I explained that the section is unsourced, but it would be a surprise if I_P. wouldn't accuse me just for 24h..Alexikoua (talk) 17:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

This comes from a guy who went on rave about me setting you up to be banned by wikipedia by creating sockpuppets and the like. If you as so much open the talk page and see, the sources are all in oder by Aigest.--I Pakapshem (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you to add them.Alexikoua (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't because of the ARMBAC restriction.--I Pakapshem (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello I Pakapshem. If you want to draft up a new version of the paragraph on the article Talk page, and include the references (formatted properly) I imagine someone could be found to re-add the paragraph. Leave enough time to pass for others to comment on your work. Since Alexikoua removed the paragraph before, he is allowed to re-add the paragraph if he wants to, without violating any restriction. EdJohnston (talk) 18:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I've re-added the paragraph. So, I_P. no reason to bother. According to your approach, Himara is Albanian again.Alexikoua (talk) 05:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I have read two of the books (Castellan in Albanian language my personal library, Petta in Italian from library), I know what they say and declare, but in order to give all the possibility to verify that those facts are true I will provide a freely visible text link

Giovani Albino, born in Castelluco, was in service of Aragonese court as teacher, biblioterian, secretary, diplomat, oratory. He was the author of De bello Hydruntino (1480-148), narrating the war of Otranto. link [14]

and here is part of text from his book in Latin [15]

and the comment made by author with the translation from Italian to English made by me.

Albino alludes of the military campaign lead by John Castriot Skanderbeg against the Turks in Albania, in the begining of September, in order to prevent that the new reinforcements from Valona could arrived to help the besieged Ottomans in Otranto. In fact in this port, it was gathered a naval contingent lead by Suleyman Alibey Eunuch, governor of Greece, with duty to protect that locality and to provide help to Turks which were in the Puglia's city. The Skanderbeg in the command of 4000 Albanian infantry and with the help of Neapolitan fleet, which had reached him in the meantime, defeated the enemy in Himara and made him prisoner. Alphons, while received the news of the victory, sent immediatly (7 September) Albino in Albania for ransoming and taking in his Kingdom, Suleyman Alibey Eunuch which in turn when the war was over, was liberated against a ransom of 20.000 ducats.[16]

Or even this one, official website of Himara region [17]

Hope it is useful. Bests Aigest (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your very thorough reply. I see that Alexikoua has restored some material to the article as a result. I hope that you or one of the regular editors will also add the references which you found to the article. EdJohnston (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Added the ref. Hope none argues anymore on this :) Regards Aigest (talk) 16:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

It's still not the same. Critical information that clearly shows these Himariots that left Himara after the failed uprisings, settled in Italy and to this day they refer to themselves as Albanians, has been left out.--I Pakapshem (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Need the details, as explained above. Work with Aigest if you don't have the details. EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The book says about Kastrioti, nothing about migration to Italy.Alexikoua (talk) 17:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Read Piana degli Albanesi and you will see. Himara was, is and will forever be Albanian in every possible way. Just because some greek schools were open in the 18th century there and some sold out people now a days declare they are greek for a 200 euro pension, does not make them greek. Himariots actually in majority are not even autochtones to the town, but catholic migrants after the ottoman takeover of Albania from Puka, Miredita and Lezha. They have last names like Gjoni, Gjini, Leka, Ndrenika etc which are typical catholic northern Albanian last names.--I Pakapshem (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Albanians appear in history after 11th century AD.Its that simple before that they were not in the region of Epirus or anywhere within Byzantium. Byzantine_references_to_Albanians.Himare was ancient Greek then Roman then Byzantine and so on.Megistias (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Hahahah what a joke. The name albanians appears in history in the 11th century, but before they were Illyrians and Epirotes, Chaonians, Mollosians, Thesprotes. Himara is, was and will always be Albanian in every way possible.--I Pakapshem (talk) 18:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Illyrian languages

There is always an IP who vandalizes [18] the article by removing Albanian language article from the related topics. If you read through the article you can see that Venetic language is not linked anymore with Illyrian being a separate group and the same is with Liburnian language which belongs to Venetic group, again not related to Illyrian, while Albanian language is still disputed as such. However all the three languages are listed in the related topics because they have been once (or even now case of Albanian) linked with Illyrian language. Apparently the anon IP keeps removing Albanian language link various times [19] [20] [21] [22] persevering in disruptive edits. Could you semi-protect the Illyrian languages article? Bests Aigest (talk) 12:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Aigest. I added a new section header above your comment, and semiprotected Illyrian languages. The IP who was reverting the article does not participate in any discussions. If he joins the Talk page to discuss his changes, and agrees to accept consensus, the semi may be lifted. EdJohnston (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Consensus? And where is the RELIABLE source? Just because some ALbanian guy would like to believe that he is a direct descendant of the Illyrians does NOT mean that that is so, nor that the Turkic language that Albanians speak is in any way shape or form the modern version of the Indo-European Illyrian tongue. 41.245.151.96 (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action. In the rush of writing I forgot the title, anyhow you managed to name it exactly like what I had in mind :) Bests Aigest (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I find it more than a little strange that when asked for reliable sources, the point of action is to lock the page. I'm sure Aigest is thrilled. Unfortunately anyone who knows reads the article will find pro-Albanian POV and factual errors. 41.245.151.96 (talk) 17:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Editors who make changes to hotly-contested articles using an IP address with no history do not always get a full hearing for their opinions. Please consider creating an account. EdJohnston (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Skopje name at ANI

Hey EdJohnson, thanks for the heads-up. I have replied in the relevant thread, please have a look if you are interested. What exaclty seems to be the problem with the alternative name? I am not a sock-puppet of another recently involved, registered user. Pariah Lupus (talk) 13:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

sockpuppetry of Iwanafish continues

Hello,

Please see Iwanfish's use of Enfermeroo as a sockpuppet for his continued misbehavior. Please compare what he has done in the past to the exact behavior he is doing now with Enfermeroo. I guess I am flattered. His use of a variant of my user name is an attempt to confuse, mislead or distort. Any suggestions on what to do?

The real Enfermero (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Handled. EdJohnston (talk) 18:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. He is a strange user and I am glad I was warned about him. Enfermero (talk) 02:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Souliotes

I believe this article should be protected again as it was 2 months ago. Alexikoua and Megistias keep messing with the lead where it's clearly stated and backed up by 18 sources that the ethnic origin of Souliotes is Albanian, by adding POV material such as Souliotes were a mixed population of Hellenized Albanians and Greeks. Yet again another example of their nationalistic POV pushing which has as its aim to make wikipedia into greekipedia and promote their nationalistic agenda.--I Pakapshem (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Please behave on a civilized way. Your statements about Albanian purity have no place in wiki. Be pantient and read the sources about the Souliotes' origin, which was mixed according to a number of academic shollars. By the way the 18 sources you mention are not specific about the origin. See origins section in Souliotes discussion page.Alexikoua (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

hehe the uncivilized greek nationalist is telling me how to act civilized. Isn't that ironic?! Who mentioned Albanian purity here? You can't change the facts just because you don't like them. Which scholars? Pro greek nationalistic scholars? Those 18 sources are very specific and I have read the discussion. --I Pakapshem (talk) 20:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

And by the way you have three reverts in one day in this article.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Souliotes&action=history If that's not edit warring Ed, then I don't know what is. --I Pakapshem (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Consensus has been reached on this sentence some months now [[23]]. You have to present real counter-arguments not just accusing without reasons claiming about national purity. Moreover, the ethnically 'mixed' version is the most appropriate according to the npov standarts with present 'rs' works.Alexikoua (talk) 20:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

No consesus has been reached. They can't be mixed whey then descend from Cham Albanians. Chams are not Greek.--I Pakapshem (talk) 20:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Ed, Alexikoua besides edit warring and adding nationalistic material to the article goes and deletes my comments on the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Souliotes&diff=315974589&oldid=315968495 This is clear, he is not interested in having a civilized discussion and in coming to a compromise. He deletes my comments, edit warrs and keeps pushing his nationalistic agenda. Some kind of action has to be taken to protect the article and against him.--I Pakapshem (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I_Pakapshem. Why are you trying to create a battleground in Souliotes too? What you are writing there isn't really appropriate and far unencyclopedic. Well you give me no other choice, I will initiate an rfc case.Alexikoua (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Initiate whatever you want, the only one creating a battleground is somebody who edit warrs and deletes other people's comments on the talk page of the article. The only one being inappropriate and unencyclopedic is you here, and the proof is above.--I Pakapshem (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I deleted a battleground call [[24]], if you are really proud for this, leave it that way. My policy is to avoid extremeties from both sides.Alexikoua (talk) 20:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My comments are completely fine. You deleted them because they are proof againts your nationalistic edit warring. Your policy is to push extreme greek nationalism in making things greek even when they clearly are not.--I Pakapshem (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I say they were mixed Albanian-Greeks as they are appropriately sourced, it's not me that insist on racial purity scenarios among peoples.Alexikoua (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

You can say they came from Mars as far as you're concerned, the point is there are 18 sources that clearly show that they are Cham Albanians. This is not an insistence on anything, but a fact that is completely accepted even by the reasonable greek academia. You keep on going with your nationalistic POV pushing.--I Pakapshem (talk) 22:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Ed, are you going to do anything about this? Now Alexikoua has canvassed and brought users like Factuarius and Guldenrich to edit warr in Souliotes and re add the nationalistic info.--I Pakapshem (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Ani. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

(I was just about to do this myself--Michael X the White (talk) 21:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC))

My opinion

I wrote my opinion on the talk page of Souliotes and User:Alexikoua, removed it[25]!!!!!Are users allowed to do that?I don't think so--Kreshnik25 (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

His action was puzzling. I see you have properly restored the comment, and that you have the ability to find references for articles. Each person must build their own reputation, but it might help if you would let us know how you became aware of the dispute on these articles. That's how you got your start on editing here. You've also chosen to reveal very little on your user page about your background and interests. Not to belabor the point, but a non-empty user page with practically no useful information is sometimes associated with socks. EdJohnston (talk) 13:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

got it. make more things known about my interests, be more polite. I am interested in Albanian-related topics, and that's why I edit them. Souliotes are one of the important parts of Albanian-related articles. What is a "meatpuppet"?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 16:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

A concern may arise that one of the current participants in the Albanian-Greek controversy recruited you off-wiki to join this discussion. If you were recruited, you can say so, and it may add more credibility to your mysterious sudden appearance in a hot issue. See WP:MEAT for details. EdJohnston (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

got it. no, I wasn't "recruited", although I must admit I had talked online a few months ago with this user User:Balkanian' s word about stuff not related to wikipedia. That was months ago, does it really matter? --Kreshnik25 (talk) 16:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

He removed my replies again![26]. Is this legit in wikipedia?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

correct me if I'm wrong, but after being reverted someone who wants to add info on an article, must discuss not call someone else to revert for him. [27]. So Alexikoua, should discuss, and not call others to revert for him!.--Kreshnik25 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Kres: You are good on accusing. About the concensus see origin section in Souliotes talk page. Suppose you were not wiki-active that time. I deleted your comments because you make just empty accusations provoking edit-wars, just unconstructive edits, but if you are proud with what you write, I can't insist. Alexikoua (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

All I know is couple of days ago, it said "ethnically Ablanian", and then suddenly it said "mixed". So, I have every right to support my thesis, against nationalist beliefs. If you think I am this "meatpuppet" thing, PROVE it. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 17:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

That is an honest statement, you admit you are here just to support edit-wars. No contribution at all.Alexikoua (talk) 17:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexikoua, I expect you will stop removing comments. If there is a fight over the Souliotes article, I suggest opening up an WP:Request for comment. This forces clarification of the issue, since somebody must make a topic for the RfC. Obviously a situation where people are a hybrid between Albanian and Greek makes difficulties for the nationalists on both sides. This is to be resolved using sources like any other problem on Wikipedia. If the sources disagree, quote both of them. EdJohnston (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but your last edits in the discussion page is simply called trolling . Alexikoua (talk) 17:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at that [28] EdJohnston. Just because he doesn't like the origin of the name, he removed my source saying that it could be Turkish. Really? There are a thousand ways he could check its validity, but he chose to "defend" the "Greekness"(as he perceives it). --Kreshnik25 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

So after deleting my comments after saying I'm a "meatpuppet", now he says "ignore trolling". Is anyone really allowed to say things like that for other users ?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

He should stop removing your comments. Even so, when someone who comes out of nowhere starts arguing in a hot conflict it is reminiscent of what socks do. By saying a bit more about yourself, you would help to remove doubts. We do not have any shortage of plain-vanilla Greek nationalists and Albanian nationalists. Maybe you could surprise us by becoming more useful with content contributions and references. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

If Greek nationalists stoped promoting nationalism, then I would "surprise" you. It's not up to me. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexikoua gathered his "buddies" to treat his version as "consensus" but if yo uread the talkpage, it isn't a consensus!!!! If that ain't manipulating, then you tell what manipulating is.--Kreshnik25 (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

First Article

If a person is in many google books, then he is eligible for a wikipedia article?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 13:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

If he is in many Google books, that is a positive sign. You can present your ideas for an article over at WP:Drawing board and people will give you feedback. EdJohnston (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I can do it on my own. When I finish will you take a look? --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

3RR warning + help needed!

Thanks for getting involved. Though I also got warned I appreciate your contribution! In this and other similar issue, calling for third opinion seems to give the idea that the other user has a point. In this case, his references were non-verifiable, from a forum, or from a biased (Serbian) author, so I considered I would be backed by an administrator. I believe I will not make the same miscalculation again. However, could I count on you to come and resolve/verify/check such issues, before calling for third opinion? —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Admins are not supposed to decide content matters. If you plan to contribute to other Balkan articles, you should be aware that they are contentious, so you should start to get familiar with WP:Dispute resolution, including WP:Requests for comment. If you think a source can't be relied on, open a question at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. The cited source about Serbian epic poetry seems fragile, and I don't see the urgency of providing even tenuous alternatives to how Prizren's name could have arisen. But that's just my opinion, and won't decide how future disputes on this article should be resolved. The lack of a working URL is clearly a concern. Editors who show by their behavior that they can't edit Balkan articles neutrally may wind up being sanctioned under WP:ARBMAC, but we are certainly not at that point yet, for either you or Tadija. EdJohnston (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

My primary interest in Wikipedia was to contribute mainly on culture and art. But I was really surprised with the lack of objectivity in Albanian-related articles. (As I am an Albanian). I mean, look at this page Albanian nationalism, this guy User:Megistias claims that there is a Government nationalistic system in Albania - HE has a claim. Even after a third party intervened, and warned him, this guy does not stop. So I am hooked to Albanian related articles, until a little balance is reached. As, Albanian editors (mainly from Task Force Albania) seem to be really unexperienced at finding facts and following other procedures in WP. Something I also fall short of at the moment, but other mainly Greek editors seem to have mastered. —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I know I am bothering again, but this Prizren, Talk:Prizren issue seems to be out of control. Though you raised a question, User:Tadija is not keen on showing a bit of interest in any discussion. An he insist on his version through war-editing. (I asked for my name to be changed - it is in process) —Anna Comnena (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Continuing Edit War

After you protected Souliotes they changed it back to the NON-consensus lead [29], trying to pass it as a consensus!!! But it isn't a consensus!!! You read the talkpage, and you know it! Please do something about it. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Proclaimed edit-war

It seems that User:Kreshnik25 was right, he honestly admited yeasterday that he came in wiki just for edit-warring. Today's contribution was a nationalistic concert and in two specific instances the removals are considered vandalism in compination with personal attacks:

• [[30]], saying that every Greek source is unreliable... Also, saying that the term 'Albanian's captives' is pov but modern bibliography seems to agree that the Albanian regime of the 60' was a european equivalent of North Korea ([[31]] p. 3, [[32]] p. 190 even by pro-Albanian authors [[33]] Vickers&Petiffer),
• He deleted government data about the number of ethnic Albanian immigrants in Greece [[34]], saying that 'no one is interested in my personal opinions'.

The pattern is usual, it seems we have a new active member of the LRK team:Sarandioti-I_Pakapshem here.Alexikoua (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Again this meatpuppet theory? PROVE it. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC) Is it THAT difficult for YOU to use a source written by a NON-Greek author?

If what you claim is right, then you should have no problem finding one similar source. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

You say I edit war, but I didn't delete your comments. That was you. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Am I asking for TOO much? All I'm saying is "bring sources from non-Greek authors, as in these articles Greek(as Albanian) authors are NOT neutral. A Greek source that claims that the Greek minority was a "captive of Albania" is NOT reliable. Is that DIFFICULT for you to understand that? --Kreshnik25 (talk) 18:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It was a 1965 work, I explained why they were considered captives (the book deals in general with all the Albanian population not just the Greek minority) that time. You are violating wiki policy as per wp:rs with this. The author was American citizen, by the way.Alexikoua (talk) 18:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

By the way I didn' t say he was a Greek citizen, I just said Greek. I am not violating any policy, unless there is a policy that says "x Greek author is a reliable source.". I am just stating the obvious. That Greek(or Albanian) authors should not be used in Albanian-Greek articles. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The wp:rs criteria do not state something like that, but if you believe that 'Albania's Captives' isn't ok, it's a deal. I can add M.V. Sakelariou, an internationally recognized work, which states exactly the same.Alexikoua (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't use Greek sources on Albanian-Greek articles. I'm not saying anything unreasonable. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

"Don't use Greek sources on Albanian-Greek articles" is (a) highly unreasonable, and (b) who do you think you are? Wikipedia has rules, such as WP:RS and WP:V regarding sources. I strongly suggest you familiarize yourself with them. You don't get to make the rules. --Athenean (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It was proved that even the English author source of ALexikoua was based on a Greek source. So now there are no reliable sources to support his thesis. EdJohnston can you restore the normal lead?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Anti-Spam Barnstar

		The Anti-Spam Barnstar
		Many thanks for your efforts on the "At Thy will South Africa" case. Wikipedia is a better quality project because of you!--Hu12 (talk) 15:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

some advice

I am requesting advice, not offering.

You recently gave me a warning in response to the 3RR report that I made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:gu1dry_reported_by_User:119.173.81.176_.28Result:_Both_parties_warned.29

I have put the cites supporting my edits on the article talk page and I have also left a message on the other editor's talk page - however as yet, no response.

Perhaps it is because it is the weekend and the other editor has a better social life than me? the skeptic in me thinks that it is no coincidence that he has made no edits since I made the 3RR report and is currently lying low.

But anyway, I would prefer to get a response from the other editor before I even considered reverting again, but if there is no response, how long should I wait?

119.173.81.176 (talk) 18:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Do not continue to revert about the transmission unless you can find someone else who supports your position. The other guy has not edited since 25 September, and he probably has a life outside Wikipedia. If you often edit car articles, you must know of some places where you can ask for other views. If not, consider making a request at WP:Third opinion. Otherwise, since this is surely not a burning issue, why not wait a few days to see if the other guy comes back. EdJohnston (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I put a message on the article talk page, in the hope that someone else would give their opinion - but you are right, it isn't time critical and I certainly can wait a few days to see what happens. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 18:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Ignore all of the above, it seems he read what I put on the talk page and added the information himself. Problem solved. Thanks. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

PARARUBBAS 10

Hi there ED, VASCO here,

Here comes the 15th (or is it 16th) sock!! It is called User:Nji089 (contributions here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nji089 - so far i don't think it has been disruptive, but it will), just to let you know.

Have a nice weekend,

VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• Did i do anything wrong? That's what i deduce... --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• There, if this is what was bothering, i filed a report (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Pararubbas). I am only trying to help, nothing less, nothing more. VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 18:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for filing at SPI. Did you see any bad edits? If his changes are not reverted, does that mean they are good? Is your only evidence the fact that he is interested in Portuguese football and his name is typical of Pararubbas socks? EdJohnston (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for replying my friend. Answering your questions in order: No (so far), not necessarily and yes (but i am sure it is him, and ALL the checkusers previous have shown just that); additionally, could you now enlighten me on the meaning of the message in pink background in the main account's user page (seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pararubbas)? The "...regardless of the merits of the edits themselves." immediately strikes out, but maybe it's me that is not quite getting the meaning of the wiki-rule in question.

Thanks for everything, keep it up,

VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

If you are sure this is Pararubbas, even though the edits are not bad, I hope you will make that point at SPI. Since it is now endorsed for checkuser, that should settle the matter. EdJohnston (talk) 19:29, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Nangparbat

[35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41]

These pages need semi-prot, Elockid has so far had to break 3RR on two of these pages to keep Nangparbat's edits down. I have asked two other admins, but they don't seem to have got the message yet

Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. EdJohnston (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Removing information from Albania article

Could you please just come to Albania#Religion and see this un-discussed deletion of information. That is really basic religion info that should not be deleted (not without discussion at least), as it shows that Albanians were Christian before being Muslim and Atheist. —Anna Comnena (talk) 01:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I have asked User:Megistias to stop reverting the article. I'm also considering the wisdom of a 1RR per day restriction at Albania, which would apply to all editors. EdJohnston (talk) 01:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will revert it to the previous version now. —Anna Comnena (talk) 08:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not going to revert it again but my edits were not on the statistics like the previous edit warring in the article(i think that was the edit warring there, i didnt take part in that).But you mean in general edit warring.diff,diff The thing is that despite an Main article on religion in the region existing there are two irregular paragraphs in that place.The whole thing goes from modern time 1912-1950 to the antiquity and the middle ages and then in Communism and the now.Its out of place and by the time christianity got there the region of Albania was Roman Macedon, specifically Epirus nova.Writing of Illyrian paganism is also irrelevant and out of place.The Illyrian gods article is pretty clear.My deletion of information was a regular cleanup.Megistias (talk) 11:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. You should be aware that fast-moving edits at Albania have the potential to upset people, especially when ethnic controversy is possible. The comment you added here is much longer than anything you had to say on the subject of religion at Talk:Albania. Persuading the editors there is surely worth a try. 'Cleanup' is good only when everyone perceives it as well-intentioned. It seems that others did not pick up on your good intentions, even though they were present. EdJohnston (talk) 14:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Bad anon

It looks like User:84.109.74.77 whom you blocked on 3RR (really 8RR) for inserting the same WP:BLP violation on Slavoj Zizek with every edit, has returned immediately post-block to doing solely the exact same edit. If you can maybe do something about this to avoid the need to go through the same 3RR complaint again, that would be great.

Another block would seem appropriate. Or perhaps a semi-protect on the underlying article, which would at least keep the anon away from doing the same thing. As far as I know, no anonymous account has ever contributed anything useful to that particular article, in any case, so semi seems like a good state. Or something else in the infinite wisdom of your admindom. LotLE×talk 08:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The offending IP has been reblocked. If he returns under a different IP, semiprotection would be the next step. EdJohnston (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. LotLE×talk 18:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know

I want to propose my first article for "newest articles Did You Know". Can you please help me propose it after I finish it?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 09:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Sock-puppet

Please take a look at this guy. Blatant sock-puppet of an IP you recently banned here. Note the incivility in the edit summary. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, WP:DUCK. EdJohnston (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Userpage Vandalizing

User:Tadija vandalized my userpage. [42]. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Again [43].--Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

And Again [44]--Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

And Again [45]--Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Can you help me? is there possibility to check these users for sockpuppetry?

• User:Kedadi
• User:Kreshnik25
• User:AnnaFabiano

There must be some relationship between them. All edits are identical, and Kreshnik25 is new account, as AnnaFabiano, and they are deep into discussion already, as they are there for days.

Many thanks, i wait for your answer. Tadija (talk) 15:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Just because people don't agree with you, that doesn't mean they're the same person. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 15:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't know if it is relevant or if it will help, but I just remind you that there has been a recent incident of sockpuppetry of an Albanian editor.[46].--Michael X the White (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I left a response to Tadija at this link. He has cleared his Talk page for some reason. Here was the answer I left there:

Don't keep putting the sock templates on Kreshnik25's pages. If you file a WP:SPI request, admins can take care of any templates that turn out to be needed. Your evidence seems weak. In national disputes, many people agree with each other without being socks. Brand-new editors who have few edits on Wikipedia may sometimes not be taken as seriously as others. If you keep putting templates on Kreshnik you may be blocked for 3RR.

@Michael IX: I am quite familiar with the Sarandioti/Alarichus case. If you have real evidence of socking, it will always be considered. Mere coincidence of viewpoints is not enough. EdJohnston (talk) 18:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Prizren

Hi, Ed. I saw that you participated in the discussion. Please help me solve the problem of the origin of the name "Prizren". According to what i found, sources from User: Tadija are more true, and User:Kreshnik25 tried to add wrong sources that are not verifiable. But it seems that they are in strife, so i asked you to give your final word. Thank you in advance, I don want anymore to engage in their discussions. Pagliaccioknows (talk) 17:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Tadija' s sources are written by Serb researchers, while the preexisting data was written by Eric Hamp. Now if you think that Serb reasearchers are more reliable that Eric Hamp a well-known linguist that's another issue.--Kreshnik25 (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you join the discussion?

An unbiased opinion would be welcomed here [47]. Until now Tadija has no real opinion other than accusing Annafabiano and me of "trying to erase the Serbian heritage of Kosovo", and this other guy Athenean, jsut joined the discussion to say "this is ridiculous" and "no one refers to it as Gjakove", although 1,3milion results exist for Gjakove and only 355,000 for Dakovica. Is this wikipedia? "bring your friends over to win the game". Join in, you would really be helpful. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I think we're past warning with Tadija, since he can't prove I'm AnnaFabiano's sock, now he's adding edit warring templates in my talkpage. [48]. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 21:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)