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If the offer still stands...

...it appears that you also have at least one co-nom, if desired. Probably a few others that would volunteer for that too (if you want names, e-mail me!) I guess there's no better time to go through it :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks ... draft responses for comment (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Truly, thanks ... working on the finalities as we speak type (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

..and thanks for the truly kind words in the nom. Much appreciated. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Should I remove this response? I truly feel he's going down some kind of WP:SOAP path, but I'm WP:AGFing and responding politely ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you're probably fine...although if he keeps up you're right that it's probably best just to let him have the last word. It should be clear to the crats that he's harping over a really minor thing. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

July 2009 Ürümqi riots

Hey, that's great its at FAC, nice work! :) To be honest, I don't have opinion on the flag use - I added the reactions as they came in and flags made it easier as is the case with many other articles, so reading your comment I agree it makes it easier visually, rather than a load of text. But noting the other users concerns, it would make sense to either change them to the "link alt" thing. Bolding is fine but I think I prefer the first option, though I'm happy with either outcome. Sorry I'm not much use, I'm not really familiar with Wikipedia policies in this respect! Midway (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• As only admins can do this, can you please set up an {{editnotice}} and eject the stuff which is currently seen at the top of the article when in edit mode? Cheers. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Good idea, I'll get to it right away. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
    • fix "titlesof" to "titles of" :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 05:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Was it you who changed the italicisation of BBC News, etc? If so, was it at the prompting of any FAC comment? AFAIK, italics are usually reserved for traditional (ie paper) journals etc. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. I changed all instances of BBC News, etc., to |work= (from |publisher= or |agency=) because that seemed to be what Template:cite news suggested. Based on my reading of it, it sounded like |agency= is only supposed to be used for the agency that wrote and supplied the article (i.e., it's sort of a replacement for |author=) and generally only when that differs from the newspaper/website where we found it (for example, a China Daily article that says the source is Xinhua, or something on ABC news that says the source is AP). Anyway, long story short, the italicization is probably a result of that change.

Of course, I haven't been working with this template for a long time so perhaps that is not the consensus on how things should be used. But that's what the documentation makes it sound like, so if the consensus is different we should probably update the documentation. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, '|work=' does italicise. I'll go and sort them out. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Your sig

Hello Rjanag, for some reason I don't quite understand, the "<b class="Unicode">" tag in your sig causes your name to be displayed as a blank on my computer (Firefox 3.0 on Ubuntu 8.4). Omitting the "class" attribute solves the issue for me. I don't know why this is or whether other users are affected by the same problem. Would you consider modifying the sig? Thanks, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm, that's interesting. I'll have to try it out on a few different computers...I believe the original reason I put the class there was to allow the special characters ʨ and ɢ to display for people with older browsers.

I wonder if it would be any different if I use class="IPA". Can you let me know if this shows up for you?:

• rʨanaɢ

Thanks for the notification, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 07:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the IPA version works for me. Apparently my browser chokes up somehow on the font list for .Unicode at MediaWiki:Common.css, selecting fonts from the list that aren't installed on my system (weird, since several others in the list are in fact there.) I can reproduce the same kind of blank when doing manually "<b><span style="font-family:Thryomanes;">" or other non-existing fonts. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Update: I'm now on a different computer and no longer see the problem even though it's basically the same system, so I suspect maybe it was all just some kind of problem with bad font installation on my end or something like that; so please don't worry too much about it; sorry for bothering you about it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The Nicholas Beale AfD

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Any further messages from NBeale will be deleted from my talk page without reply. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Rjanag. Thank you for taking trouble over the Nicholas Beale AfD. But as you now know, the analysis of the sources you posted, however much in good faith, contains serious errors and mis-statements and is influencing the debate, due to your hard-earned reputation as an Admin. I must respectfully ask you, per WP:BLP and your responsibilites as an Admin, to retract these errors and to do what you can to nullify the harm that they have done. Many thanks. NBeale (talk) 10:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No. Do you go around telling everyone to retract their !vote because you don't agree with it? This is ridiculous. I tried my best to be polite coming into this AfD, yet you have still insisted on acting like a child. I have nothing more to say to this request. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

And before you go crying about my "personal attacks", take a look at the AfD—I'm not the only one who is appalled by your immature behavior here. If you can't see the overwhelming consensus against your crusade and can't take the hint, then there's nothing more I can do for you. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

If you want to vote delete when WP:AUTHOR is clearly met that is up to you. But you really should retract the manifestly false statements that you have made in your "analysis" of the sources. And grad students - however stressed - should not try to lecture grandfathers on "maturity" NBeale (talk) 23:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

[And you - should leave your place under that bridge and drop the shopping-bags. Man... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 23:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

July 2009 Ürümqi riots info for Chinese views

Sorry about not getting back to you sooner. I didn't do much wiki editing over the break, but I've been doing way too much eding for the Haiti earthquake articles over the last week. I put together some info that could be used on this temporary page User:David_Straub/urumqiriotsedit. I think the main problem with the Urumqi riots at the moment is that it includes almost no information concerning government claims that the riots were orchestrated by a terrorist separatist group in Xinjiang. I don't believe the claims of the government, but most Chinese do. I think that adding one section that explains the views of the government by using articles from mouthpiece sources such as the China Daily would both informative and at least alleviate some of the concerns of Chinese that their views be heard. But I won't worry that this is endorsing their views. I think it is just more likely to reveal how ridiculous their claims are. Review what I put together and let me know what you think/want to do with it. I'm a little busy right now, so if you want to add some of the text to the main article, feel free to do so.

Actually, I down loaded an pirated copy of Colin Legerton's book, but I didn't read it yet. He's in CEUS. I took a class with him last year.

Take care. David Straub (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this together. To be honest, right now it looks like most of that information is more appropriate in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement article, as most of it is about ETIM and the history of ETIM rather than its putative involvement in the riots, and many of the China Daily/Xinhua articles you found don't actually say much about the riots beyond what's already in the WP article:

• Xinjiang riot hits regional anti-terror nerve just says that WUC might be affiliated with ETIM. (And that statement is sourced to Rohan Gunarata, about whom I remember Gardner Bovingdon had some titillating things to say ;) ). Other than the WUC-ETIM connection, it has little to say about the July riots.
• World Uyghur Congress behind Xinjiang violence: expert Just says that WUC instigated the riot, which is already detailed in the WP article (mostly in the second paragraph of the "immediate causes" section). I recall there used to be more about this in the article (I think there was a whole paragraph on stuff like the "something big will happen" phone conversation, or whatever (update: after some digging, it looks like I removed the "do something big" because the sentence it was in was plagiarized, and I never got around to re-adding it)), and it was gradually trimmed down as time gave us better perspective on all of it. This particular China Daily piece would be a useful reference to add to the section, but I don't think it has a lot of actual new content that needs to be added.
• Urumqi riots part of plan to help Al-Qaida Says that the riots were instigated by separatists and that WUC is affiliated with Al-Qaeda. The first point is already in the article; the second can be added.
• Al-Qaeda threatens Chinese abroad: covered in the International Reactions section

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Made some additions, mostly of the terrorist connection stuff (since I think the rest of the stuff is either already covered, or more appropriate in the ETIM article which is now linked from this section). To be honest, for most of the summer I was pretty much ignoring the terrorism stuff because POV-pushers repeatedly trying to add the article to "Terrorism" and "Terrorist attacks" categories were leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Looking back now, it does look like you're correct to point out that some of that has gotten left out of the article, but at the same time I think there's only so much that can be said (essentially "the government says the riots were premeditated by terrorists and they're connected with international terrorist networks) and I don't think a whole section can be made out of it without repeating ourselves a lot. (Or becoming a mouthpiece for the crazy speculative stuff that was going on in forums in July, like "the rioters had sneakers on so they must have been PLANNING to riot"). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The article looks much better. Good job. I think the material added does balance out the article. We don't have to respect the views of the Chinese government and most Chinese, but it is important that their views are at least represented.David Straub (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that it looks better, and I appreciate your taking the effort to find that material (and to press me to get it cleaned up!). Best, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Template code

I'd like to add some new fields to Template:Infobox_ship_begin but I forgot where they hide the code. Any chance you could point me to the right page so I can fiddle around with a copy of the code in my sandbox? I seem to recall you helped me out with this one other time. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm, it looks like it's Template:WPMILHIST Infobox style but I'm not sure yet; will have to do some snooping around this afternoon. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Foreign Language Articles

For the record, your deletion of Matheus Lundberg was inappropriate, we don't delete articles just because they're not in English, they should be listed at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English and either deleted if they're inappropriate, or kept for two weeks to see if someone translates it, then listed for deletion. I'm not going to say restore it, but I find it strange that as an administrator you're unaware of the accepted practices for such a situation--Jac16888^Talk 22:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I already commented on this at the bottom of WP:RD/L. I am aware of the accepted practices, and the article was "inappropriate", as you say above. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

erasing everything

Erasing everything doesn't help with pinpointing the problem. Do certain words frighten you. Fear is very understandable. --Neptunerover (talk) 01:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:TALK, users have the right to erase whatever they want on their own talkpage. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Neptunerover, there is no problem for me to pinpoint, I'm not even really interested in this discussion (indeed, I didn't read the one that triggered it so I don't even really know what you're talking about). I am not "frightened" by anything, but as someone who worked in community mental health services for several years I am very offended by your inappropriate comments about users' mental health.

Since whatever problem you have is not mine to deal with, there is no need for you to respond further here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Without knowing what triggered the discussion, why would you then delete it (from the other page) and then say it's not your problem to deal with? But you did. You deleted it twice. I'm sorry for not realising the possible offensiveness of referring to sock puppet as possibly being confounded by mental problems. Maybe I should not have used the charged term. I really didn't know that anyone would be so offended. --Neptunerover (talk) 02:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Hats

I own a bunch of these hats, but I don't know what they are called. Doppa sounds Persian and Tubeteika definitely does not. It sounds more Turkish. I think the difference is that the Tubeteika is round and the Doppa is squarish, which I think can be folded up. I've seen them both all over Central Asia. I bet there are many different types and names, so I wouldn't merge the articles just based on name, unless someone else can verify they are the same thing. Ask User:Otebig. He studied Kazakh. He might know. User:Xhancock might also know. They are both IU graduate students. David Straub (talk) 04:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I just reposted this question at Firespeaker's talk page - he's worked on a lot of Central Asian cultural articles, and should have some idea. Otebig (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Template:Collapse top

Hi. I gather with this, you were attempting to make an optional title, perhaps defaulting to "Extended content" if not filled in. Unfortunately, it seems that the title is not optional. With or without substitution, it now centers {{{title}}} if no parameter is supplied.

Extended content

Are you able to fix that so that "Extended content" continues to show if a title is not specified? I would if I could, but I'm afraid that templates are not my thing. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about the poor edit summary on that. Actually I was trying to make it work if you put the title in a |title= parameter (since previously it only worked with a numbered parameter, e.g. {{collapse top|Stuff}} rather than {{collapse top|title=stuff}}. Anyway, I just added a pipe which should (hopefully) fix it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

You're not exactly speaking my language, but "which should (hopefully) fix it" I can follow. :D Thanks. Now it doesn't say "extended content",though, which was probably useful for people not familiar with collapse boxes. Is it possible to have it default to that if nothing else is supplied? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, good catch. I think this should fix it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:AUTH

I raised the issue before Beale did as I say on the talk page. Also, if you believe I have vested interest in Beale, I can send an e-mail to you to verify my real identity. Common sense is a good thing, but some tightening of the sentence to avoid future misunderstandings would make sense, don't you think? Vesal (talk) 13:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! As to Beale, my stance was a weak keep a few AFDs ago, but with each repeated process I find the case for delete more and more compelling; I didn't take a position this time. Vesal (talk) 13:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

tx

--Epeefleche (talk) 18:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Seil Kim (tenor)

Yeah. I see what you mean. Bearian (talk) 02:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

PS I love the neat Admin actions stats on your user page. How do I get the template or script for that? Bearian (talk) 02:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hm...it's been a while since I put that up and I remember the template itself is something of a mess. But if my memory serves me, I think it's made by creating a subpage of User:Rjanag/adminbars (for example, mine is at User:Rjanag/adminbars/Rjanag).

The numbers itself aren't updated automatically (I left a proposal a long while ago to do such, but never got a response); there is a bot that updates Template:adminstats, and I just copy my numbers from that (Template:adminstats/Rjanag) into User:Rjanag/adminbars/Rjanag. It looks like {{adminstats}} doesn't have helpful instructions up, but basically I think you just put {{adminstats|Bearian}} on your userpage and then the bot will create your stats. Once your stats are created (should be at Template:Adminstats/Bearian) then you could just copy them to User:Rjanag/adminbars/Bearian in a fashion similar to mine.

(as a caveat, though, it seems that the bot hasn't updated my adminstats in a while, so I'm not sure what's up with it.)

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Looking back, that was a pretty convoluted response. The basic steps, I think, should be:

1. Put {{adminstats|Bearian}} on your userpage
2. Wait for bot to create Template:Adminstats/Bearian
3. Copy the numbers from that page into User:Rjanag/adminbars/Bearian, in a similar format as User:Rjanag/adminbars/Rjanag. Should look something like:

{{User:Rjanag/adminbars/core
|edits=
|ed=
|created=
|deleted=
|restored=
|blocked=
|protected=
|unprotected=
|rights=
|reblock=
|modify=
|user={{SUBPAGENAME}}}}
{{show|Admin stats|{{Template:Adminstats/Bearian}}}}

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar for your thankless but vital efforts

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	The Working Man's Barnstar may be awarded to those who work tirelessly and endlessly on the more laborious or repetitive of Wikipedia tasks. This barnstar is awarded to Rjanag, for his efforts in cleaning up redirects and other thankless tasks. On behalf of the Wikipedia community. Thank you. Ikip 09:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)