Talk:Faked death

Where did you get this definition?

Pseudocide is when an author stops using a particular pseudonym in favor of another name (either real name or another pseudonym). I have never encountered "pseudocide" meaning anything but killing a pseudonym. — Randall Bart 01:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's one instance of its use in a newspaper: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/639098.stm -- Chadhoward (talk) 15:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Inherent Crime?

Is pseudocide an inherent crime? Or are charges only pressed if there is some sort of financial evasion involved?

I'd have to say it probably depends on the circumstances. Just as suicide is a crime in some states, I'm sure somewhere has some punishment for it, aside from just having everyone you know hate your guts. Xprivate eyex 12:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Removal

I removed the "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" reference under "Fictional" because it is NOT pseudocide, faking having killed yourself; in Harry Potter it's faking being dead. I'd have to say that whoever added it probably has some very poor reading comprehension as there is a rather huge difference. Xprivate eyex 12:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes?

He faked his own death; although it was assumed he fell to his death with his mortal enemy, he did survive and did not tell anybody that he was still alive. (he did leave a note that he wrote right before this in the side of the cliff)

although doyal was just responding to public outcry when he brought him back that was the reason he gave for bringing him back. do you think we should include this in the fictional section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.192.222.188 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Attention-Grabbing Device

Here's a random thought... Is it at all worth mentioning that in some cases, faking one's death can actually be used as a ploy to garner the attention of your peers or other people you might know? This seems to be a common tactic that the younger generation of folks or even some older people seem to take an interest in, especially online. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 11:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Legal?

Is it legal to pretend one's death by oneself in the US jurisdiction or elsewhere? -- 77.4.126.105 (talk) 21:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge tag from Celebrity Death Hoax

I removed the merge suggestion as is only confusing the issue on the article page. Please raise your ideas at the RFC which is already in progress. Manning (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

With respect, I do not see even the remotest subject connection at all between this article and Celebrity_death_hoax. Why do you insist on adding the merge tag? Also please do not reinstate a disputed tag without any explanation, as you did here. I have removed the tag - again - and unless you can provide a compelling reason for adding it back in again, please do not do so. Manning (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Badagnani - For the FOURTH time - please do NOT add this merge tag in without at least explaining your reasoning. I see no connection between the two topics, yet you keep adding in the tag and providing no explanation. You are a seasoned Wikipedian so I am hesitant to accuse you of disruptive behaviour, but I am at a total loss as to why you keep doing this. We are also now BOTH guilty of violating the WP:3RR rule as well. Manning (talk) 03:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have raised this matter at AN/I. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#repeated_addition_of_merge_tag_without_explanation. I don't want to be a WP:DICK, but you keep repeating your actions and not giving any explanation, so I am left with little alternative. Manning (talk) 03:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They are essentially the same thing--a faked death. Badagnani (talk) 05:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

My preliminary search of sources reveals a wider scope for the article. Celebrity death hoaxes may include the various types of myths that arise out of collective grief surrounding celebrity death. Phenomena that would fit this general scope would include the death rumors that arose after Michael Jackson's death, the belief that a celebrity is dead and has been replaced (the Paul is dead idea), the idea that a celebrity death was the result of a conspiracy (JFK), that the circumstances of the death were falsely reported (the idea that Courtney Love killed Kurt), or that a celebrity is still alive (Elvis sightings). These phenomena are not within the scope of this article because they are sociological creatures, a specific type of mass delusion, rather than a type of fraud.--Gimme danger (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

9/11 Faked Deaths

Is it time to make a whole section for those convicted of faking deaths in certain events, such as 9/11 faked deaths, and possibly other major disasters such as recent hurricanes?

As for 9/11, as well as Steven Chin Leung (faked his own death, sentenced to four years in 2002) and Dorothy Johnson (faked her own death, both her and her daughter Twila McKee were sentenced to three years in 2003) - both mentioned in the main article - there were Carlton McNish (faked death of a fictitious wife, unsure if he was sentenced), and Namor Young (sentenced to prison term in 2002 after faking death of fictitious brother), Cassaundrea Estelle Montgomery (indicted in 2002 over death of fictitious brother), Rosalba Wild (faked death of father who had already died) and Ricardo Frutos (faked deaths of relatives who never existed). I am sure that is not everyone...

Citations

A number of those with {{citation needed}} tags actually link to their own article pages, which have their own citations (admittedly some of them are poorly sourced). Surely entries on a list page don't need additional citations when they have their own article which should itself be properly sourced, do they? -- Boing! said Zebedee 06:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

Faked death → Pseudocide — That is the official term for faking one's death. Citations include a book and various websites. TurtleShroom! :) NOODY BRANCH! ^{Don't mess with farmers, SpongeBob. They know how to grow food.} - Knowledge is power, grab it while you can. 18:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:UCN 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose The word appears to be a neologism, isn't in my paper dictionaries, isn't in dictionary.com, and there are hardly any Google hits for it. "A book and various websites" is not WP:RS - let's see the actual references please. (For the same reasons, I'd like to see the recent general use of the term in the article reverted). -- Boing! said Zebedee 06:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose "official term"? Official by whom? Pseudocide is a nearly unheard of neologism.
  — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 06:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)