Hi, i dont know how to post a message (i hope im doing it right), but my page is being edited by someone and its just been reverted even though i posted it.
Hi, i dont know how to post a message (i hope im doing it right), but my page is being edited by someone and its just been reverted even though i posted it.
Either way, reverting and reinstating each other 50 times already isn't going to solve anything. I see no talk page discussions, and no attempts to solve this trough communication rather then trough blunt force or reverts. Squash Racket - If you are sure this is block evasion then take it to WP:SSP or make an WP:AIAV report on the situation; As said, reverting alone isn't going to fix this. IancuHunedoara - I am not going to investigate these charges, so i will just assume you are a legit editor. If so, try communicating with Squash Racket on his talk page, and try to work this out trough civil means rather then trough blunt reverts.
Either way, stop reverting each other. Quite obviously it won't solve anything as the other party reverts right back. Even if the other party reverts, just leave it like that and discuss it - or take it to the WP:DR process. :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)18:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First: he's evading his block he received yesterday. (User:Iadrian yu/User:IancuHunedoara/188.2.97.229) Reverting his edits does NOT count as revert warring.
There's an ongoing rename process on the talk page, he wants to remove the name even from the lead, although in English both names are around equally widely used. He can't tolerate "most probably" regarding his ethnicity, although his ethnicity is disputed etc. And he disregards the arguments of numerous other editors. Squash Racket (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even so, you have been reverting each other for 4 hours now, and in the last two hours there was an average of one revert every 2.96 minutes. I think it is quite clear that blind reverting does not work here. IF he is a sock puppet, take it to WP:AIAV or WP:SSP, report him and wait for the outcome of that. IF he is indeed a sock or vandal, you can remove the comments he made afterwards. Currently, i would say your metaphorically hanging the cloths outside to dry in the rain. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)
Isn't it obvious? I usually don't revert more than twice in 24 hours, but this case seems so blatantly obvious I didn't have a single doubt he was just lying. Squash Racket (talk) 19:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are missing the point. Im not judging whether or not your assertion is correct, i'm merely pointing out that reverting each other will not solve anything. IF he is a sockpuppet, have him blocked and THEN revert, so he cannot revert right back. If he evades the block again, just report him to WP:AIAV and mention the SSP case in the report. No matter how "Obvious" it is, without measures that permanently solve the issue you might still be reverting tomorrow morning - or next week - or next month.
Also, as Calmer Waters already pointed out, there is a difference between vandalism and suspected sock-puppetry, even if it is obvious. But no matter what, handle it trough the respective pages i linked several times already. Reverting Will Not Permanently Solve The Issue, reverting is only meant for cleanup sake. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)19:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Problem with reporting is that they will create a new account, or use a new IP anyway. This other guy was blocked TODAY. That guy too has used IPs too. Is there a stop to that? Squash Racket (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If his ISP provides him with dynamic DNS it is hard, or near impossible to hold someone of forever. However, with a SSP case you can make a report to AIAV at the first glance of trouble, and a block will be issued - possibly even a range block. Receiving a new IP often involves rebooting a router, so after a couple of bans most vandals tire from having to do that. Addons like WP:Twinkle allow for easy two-click reporting, so in the end you will spend less time achieving better results. In other words, just Revert, Block and Ignore. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)19:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indent
I see that i have been accused of something, i would like to clear my name if it is possible ? To the administrator, not to the paranoid user. Since i was blocked and i could`t defend myself. Thank you. iadrian (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the accusation has been officially registered, so i don't think there is a reason to defend yourself from anything just yet. However, keep this in mind: using multiple account to edit Wikipedia is called sockpuppetry and is strictly forbidden. Doing so while being blocked on another account is called block evasion and this will result in a reset of the block timer, or even in a longer block. In other words, Don't edit while being blocked, no matter the reason!
That is the point, i did`t edit anything while i was blocked, i can`t be blamed for friends that agree with me. I did`t instruct anybody to act on my behalf because i know the wiki rules. If there is any need to clarify that i am not IancuHunedoara user and a way to prove it please contact me.iadrian (talk) 14:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On another matter, don't get caught in an edit war again - if several users disagree it is better to discuss it on the talk age, rather then holding a Tug of war trough reverting. If you cannot seem to agree, take it to dispute resolution to get advice on how to handle it. If the other user controversially edits the article even while there is a discussion, let him/her do so. It will only look bad when evaluated by DR. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)09:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to discuss the matter several times with Squash Racket but he ignored me and preferred an edit war because he know he could "win". I think we are going in an edit war again since he chooses to ignore me again. I will do my best not to get again in that position.iadrian (talk) 14:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are the one with false statements, accusing me with IancuHunedoara. You are saying that my attempts to talk to you on your talk page have been meet with reason? Or with their deletion and ignoring my facts? iadrian (talk) 15:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shoo! Both of you! Dip your heads in the icecubes i store in my sketchbook and keep cool. Besides, my talk page is not a warzone; Edit wars and accusations all over the place don't solve anything and just create a bad climate to edit in. Instead of wasting your combined breath accusing eachother, you might want to head over to the article talk page and talk about the matter at hand instead of talking about eachother - i left a reply there. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)15:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You posted to 75.66.59.64's user talk about the spam edit. I'm not actually an IP user, I just upgraded my web browser and it forgot to log me into Wiki. Sorry to burst your bubble. Heh. Annihilan12:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I stated the reason in the edit summary, but in retrospect it might have been smarter - and friendlier - if i also dropped a note on your talk page. The article Cantwell (surname) is a so called disambiguation page. These pages only lists links (and a short description) to direct people to other pages. For example, someone searching Cantwell might not know exactly what Cantwell they are searching for.
Since your edit added content and not a links + summary i removed it from that particular page. Normally i would have moved it to the correct article as well, but you already did so yourself. I hope this helps, Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)13:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suspected, but now i know for sure. Then let me be the first to say Welcome. Welcome to Wikipedia, and may your stay be a pleasant one. If you need any assistance or advice, feel free to ask - ill gladly help if i can. Kind regards, Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)13:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Thanks for the clarification at AIV. I have protected the article, deleted the abusive edits, and blocked a bunch of the IPs. -- Ed (Edgar181) 13:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I already blocked all three. I think they are all different. From what I can tell, some morning radio show must be encouraging listeners to vandalize that article. -- Ed (Edgar181) 13:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem whatsoever - i already figured it was a mistake. In fact, the same thing happened to me twice already today, so im quite used to the reverse situation myself. Welcome back from your Wikibreak by the way! Have fun fighting the forces of Fandali... er, vandalism. :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)18:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm not quite 100% back yet; I just have a bit of extra time to edit due to March Break. I should still be semi-actively editing after this week. See ya around. -- Meäghân talk 18:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And it is good to see you again as well! Had i not been so busy with other things then Wikipedia i would certainly have found the time to congratulate you with your DYK spree; I see you collected a nice amount of them while i was away. So even though it is a little late: Congratulations for all those well earned DYK's!. Since i am combining both new page and vandalism patrol, i suspect i might actually run on some of them by chance, which is always a positive thing.
He he - you shouldn't encourage me - I might start going on about all my DYK noms I've got in the queue which aren't getting any ticks or crosses at all, due to the backlog, e.g.:
That's why I've been trying (clumsily) to help out with DYK reviewing. It's hard work, but you do learn from it, don't you . . . at least I hope so.--Storye book (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
O well, aren't we Wikipedia editors a bit like water, always flowing around to fill all available space? After all, i became a vandalism patrol after i read a swear word in a random article over 2 years ago - and frankly, i kind of came to enjoy patrolling. By the way, if you are interested in learning - have you ever considered submitting one of your articles for GA review - or perhaps even FA review? If they get approved you could display a shiny GA or FA badge next to your DYA awards - and if they don't get approved, you will receive feedback on how to improve your article's. So if you like a challenge... :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)22:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Im afraid i'm of fairly little value regarding the judgment of GA and FA articles - So far i have made just a couple of stubs and one DYK article. For me, DYK is the limit of my writing skills (or at least the level i can be bothered with). However, seeing you made a ton of DYK's in a (very) short time, along with the fact that the article's are excellent, makes me confident you should at least try it. Even IF an article doesn't make it, it will always yield some constructive feedback that may help improve this or future article's. Just give it a try! Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)08:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
I just wanted to check regarding the edits on the Nespresso page.
The first edit I made contained an external link that was against the Guidelines, so I appreciate that it was reverted.
The second edit I made contained the same information that I feel is very relevant to the Nespresso, but did not contain any external links or references.
The reason you gave on both occasions was due to external links.
Since the second edit had no external links, I would be grateful if you could let me know why the changes were reverted.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
First and foremost i think i should point you toward the advertising policy - i know its a long article, but a short summary would be that Wikipedia isn't intended for promotion, which is therefor forbidden. The first edit(s) you made as an IP user were clearly promotional for the outpresso; Frankly i have a feeling that you are an outpresso employee or a PR respresentative of the company. If this is correct, please have a look at thethe conflict of interest policy as well.
The second edit was better, but it still does not belong in the nespresso article. It is a complimentary product made by another firm. If it is to be covered, it should be covered in its own article, or rather: It should be briefly mentioned in its parent company article, as i doubt it will qualify for a stand-alone article. Just compare it to this: There are dozens of firms making skins, coverer, ring tones and what-else for gadgets such as the IPhone, yet these are also not covered in the main IPhone article. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)11:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Excirial,
Thanks for coming back to me so quickly.
You are correct that I have some affiliation with Outpresso.
After placing an order for a Nespresso, I read the Wikipedia article regarding the Environmental impact. Being an avid recycler, I was quite concerned by this and therefore researched the situation regarding recycling the pods. I discovered the Outpresso based in Switzerland, but was slightly put off by ordering fom a company based outside of the UK (I think a lot of British residents may feel the same). Therefore I contacted the company and am now a UK based distributor for this product.
Whilst this could be seen as an unfair advertising opportunity, as a Nespresso user and a conscious recycler, I would have welcomed the inclusion of this information on the Nespresso site.
I do fully respect your decision, and will not attempt to make any further changes without your consent. However, I do feel that this inclusion will be a huge benefit to Nespresso users and the environment.
Well, as you may know, Wikipedia's popularity as a website has been steadily increasing for a couple of years, and therefor it has also become a prime target for product promotion or product placement - especially due to its open nature. Because of this several clear-cut policies such as WP:SPAM and WP:COI - but don't let me bore you with a load of policies and history lessons, and get back to the Outpresso.
First and foremost, i don't think that the Outpresso will have a real chance of being included in the Nespresso article. The only reason i can think of that will warrant even a mention, is Nespresso endorsing or promoting the product as part of some environmental campaign. Generally taken products pages are solemnly about that particular product; Just imagine what would happen if a similar device came on the market, and then another, and then a third! It would have the same effect as covering all ring tone providers in the main ringtone article.
Now, what can you do? First and foremost you should realize that Wikipedia is not a great vessel for promotion. If the only intention is promotion i would say: Don't even bother. Spamlinks and spam article's are deleted rather fast, and everyone can edit article's, both positive and negative (I can remember a school which made its own article, and demanded it to be deleted after someone covered their performance based upon a government document. The article was kept). Now, if on the other hand your intention is not purely promotional, you might consider creating an article about the company that creates the device, and briefly cover the service itself in that article. This for the simple reason that standalone article's about products and services should be covered in the parent article.
Note that in order to create an article, it has to be Notable, and that notability has to be Verifiable trough reliable sources. Besides that, the article should be written in a neutral style, thus being completely non promotional. In other words: It should only cover straight hard verifiable facts and not opinions (See WP:Peacock and WP:Weasel).
Now, i understand i have been bombarding you with a load of rules and guidelines - but just keep in mind that you can just skim trough those. A lot of new article's are deleted so i think it is better to warn you in advance, then have you invest hours and hours on an article just to see it go down the drain. If you intend to write a company related article, have a look at Primavera Systems or perhaps even a stub article such as Dunlop Bremner & Company. Generally taken old article's make excellent examples on how to write new articles.
Thanks for your detailed feedback - much appreciated! As I mentioned above, I am fairly new to this end of Wikipedia.
I fully appreciate what you are saying with regards to the products - particularly if more appear. As an Outpresso distributor, it would be great to have the product shown there and a reference to the website. However, as a Nespresso user, I do feel that it is important to mention that there are products available to assist in recyclying the capsules (my first recycling attempt which involved a pair of scissors was a very messy affair!!) After all, the only reason I became affiliated with Outpresso in the first place was due to the Nespresso article on wikipedia :D.
The externa link I was referring to was for the Nexpod single use capsule. Having had a closer look at the article, I can now see the relevance of this link. However, the Caffitaly link above just seems to be a link to an online store that sells coffee machines.
Ah, i gave up trying to count the amount of companies that wanted a Wikipedia article on themselves or a link in a popular article. 95 out of 100 times this ends in either the editor being blocked, a load of talk page abuse from the editor, a blacklisted link or a page creation block - for that matter i very much prefer a sensible discussion like this one. Even so, i can only give advice as to what you can do. And i fear that adding a link in the nespresso article will b futile, as another user will eventually remove it again.
As a sidenote, i had a look at the external links you mentioned and i removed the last three links as spam. As you can see, spam can always sneak in, and Wikipedia is always a work in progress :). Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)13:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks for the heads-up on that situation John, i would have gotten back to you earlier if i wasn't busy with a couple other discussions. However, this made me think: Should the uw-delete user warnings contain a part for subjects of BLP pages? It makes no sense to add a custom text for every page blanker, and i doubt it is good PR - nor friendly for that matter - if we flat-out block the subject of an article. In those cases blankings are more understandable Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)12:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A great many blankings are ordinary vandals, and I doubt if a high proportion are aggrieved article subjects. What might be worth considering, to save typing time when one suspects a "vandal" is the article subject, is a new template {{aggrievedsubject}} which says something like "If you are the article subject, please stop edit warring, we will be responsive to your concerns, state them on the article talk page, see WP:BLP/H for advice." As far as blocking goes, a short one may be the only way to prevent disruption in the short term, and as long as it is short, 1 or 3 hours rather than indef, and is accompanied by explanation, advice and corrective action, I don't think it's too unfriendly. JohnCD (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately that was not the way the helpme template should be used, but the effects are the same i guess. I will be happy to help you, but before i can do that, i would like to know: What can i help you with? (Just add the response under this message, i will be monitoring your talk page) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)10:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've started a page for what I beleive is a worthy entry. I am a member in the largest co-ed slo-pitch league in Canada, and we would like to start an entry. I want to know if i have started it correctly and can have help in posting it. Prevous entry was unsigned bu User:Blawes
I believe you are referring to User:Blawes/Langley_Mixed_Slo-Pitch? I copyedited and wikified the article, and made a few minor changes, but overall it didn't look quite bad. Just keep in mind that there is no "We" on wikipedia, as all article's should adhere to a neutral point of view. Apart from that, a few more references are always a good thing, but it is not a major issue, as many new article's don't have any references at all. Oh, and keep in mind that not every reader will know the sport or Canadian geography - i for one needed a few minutes to figure BC meant British Colombia and not Before Christ.
Now, as for publishing the article: (Assuming you don't use the new beta interface (If you do, please tell, the procedure is a tad different then)
You will see a couple of tabs on top of the page, one of them being called "Move". Click that one.
Put the title the article should be moved to in the "To new title" field. (For example "Langley mixed slo-pitch" - sans quotes of course)
In the reason field add "Publishing article from userspace" or some similar reason.
And presto, your page will be published!
If you receive an error that you are not permitted to do this, drop me a note as well. To move pages you need to be auto confirmed (10 edits + 4 days account age required). In that case i will happily do it for you. The only reason i didn't do it myself yet is that you might want to have a look at the article, or that you might still want to make changes. Kind regards, Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)10:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for the straightforward help! Prevous entry was unsigned bu User:Blawes
Glad to help - i just saw the article appearing on the new page so that went just fine. Oh, a few minor pointers as well: If you need help in the future, you can use the {{helpme}} template as well, but in those cases, just add the question right under it - that way other editors can see what you need help with. Alternatively you can use the help desk, and of course your always welcome to ask a question at my talk page.
By the way, remember to sign your posts! To do so, add four tildes (~~~~) after your messsage. That will sign your post with your username and a date/time which makes it easier to see who wrote something. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)10:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
thanks again, I'm slowly learning how to do this. I'm a people person, not a computer person, so thanks for your assistance. I never would have been able to complete it with jumping through all the hoops this website requires. It's VERY difficult for the computer illiterate person such as me. I would have just given up and thrown my monitor across the room, lol.
Thanks again for the human assistance!
ps - how do I add content on help after I've posted a comment? There is no edit button anymore? is this how? or should I wait for a reply and an edit button to appear?
Ah, Wikipedia is easy once you get it, as it is at least pretty consistent. However, "Getting it" might actually take some time - so feel free to take that time! We all started as novices once. I would advice to go trough the tutorial if you have trouble with the basic Wiki functionality - it covers the basics pretty well, and the inclusion of some images will make it easier to understand then me writing it in text. But as always, if you need any assistance feel free to ask! If im slow to respond, you may want to leave the message on My talk page. To do so, just click the link i added in the previous line, and then click on the tab with the + on top of the page. That will allow you to create a new section on my talk page, and as you might have seen, it will immediately notify me that someone has been there, so i can get right back to you if im online, or when i log in. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)12:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Hi. Thanks for fixing up my Talkpage. Concerning that Worldwide News page, the author has recreated the same nonsense about 7 or 8 times over the past few days, and has had it speedily deleted every time - and I see it is already deleted again. -- Boing!said Zebedee13:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem at all. I considered just removing the nonsensical content altogether but then again i figured you might actually want to reply - or that it was part of a larger situation. And part of me thought that you might actually get a good laugh out of a text containing the sentences "educating better than you will ever do" and "you are jelous" in tandem with a cartload of spelling errors. :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)13:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
[1]. I don't revert that, but I thought that intelligibility is of high priority. "János Hunyadi" and "John Hunyadi" are the widely used English forms. Isn't it important that other, not yet involved readers easily understand what the section is about? Squash Racket (talk) 14:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the intelligibility part, but seeing the fuss concerning "Removed\edited comments" i deemed it more prudent to keep the original version. Partly because of WP:VAN, partly to prevent another edit war over something - excuse me for the wording - as silly as a comment and a header. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)14:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wish I had a good tool for it. I do it by going to the specified decimal coords in Google maps, then copy and pasting them into a converter website like this one, rounding off and plugging back in to accuracy checking. If I find a tool or if you find one that helps with this please let's help each other out. - Stillwaterising (talk) 15:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
REASONS
I demand reasons why my edits are being characterized as vandalism. If there are none, I think this issue should be dealt with my others. 193.188.47.23 (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit summary on a previous edit: how was this vandalism? you dont own wikipedia. get a life!
The edit contained "Bum".
Had it not been for the first two, i would have seen this as an alternative for the song and just ignored it. I presume - but i cannot be sure - that Malke reverted in error, while The Thing That Should Not Be reverted on the basis of the edit summary you filled in. With me reverting on a combination of the two. However, i am interested: Is there a [{WP:RS|reliable source]] that support this alteration of the song? Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)17:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why the insult?
In what way did I vandalise the Tiananmen protests page? I had my entire contribution deleted by John for a small rule breach that I was unaware of. I think he should have just deleted the bits he was unhappy about but I apologised to him on the discussion page in any case because we got off on the wrong foot. I stand up for myself and admit it when I'm wrong but I'm no vandal. Shieldsgeordie (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is indeed absolutely and completely my fault, my apologies.
As for some background: I was busy checking for vandalism with Huggle, and i noticed that the edit contained "John Is OK :)". Around that time there were a lot of "X is Hawt" / "I am cool" and similar edits, thus i reverted it. However, i completely missed the fact that this was a talk page, and not an article. Had i seen that, i would have (obviously) never reverted it.
As for the unfriendly warning: Huggle checks the users talk page for previous warnings, and automatically placed the next warning level on that users talk page. Since a level 1 and level 2 warning was already present, it added a level 3, which assumes bad faith. I striped the error on your talk page, but your obviously more then welcome to remove it should you wish to do so. The reason i didn't do so was that it would seem as if i was hiding this incident.
Thanks. It's ok. You seem like a great guy. Only the best people admit when they make mistakes. I would say that because I've just done it too ha ha. Anyway nice to meet to meet you :) Shieldsgeordie (talk) 18:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And it is a pleasure to meet you as well, though it would probably have been better if another reason would be the basis for our meeting (Somehow i cannot shake the cinematic of two persons walking around a corner and colliding full-force, with me being the person that is holding the newspaper and not watching anything else). Either way, based upon your edit history it would seem you are a fairly new user edit-wise, so let me say "Welcome!" as well, and slap one of those slightly-useless welcome templates on your user page for good measure. Somehow it seems no one got around to pointing you to 150+ pages of policy no new user is ever going to read. O well, guess ity is a custom to welcome new users that way, and seeing you didn't get that treatment yet...
I wrote in the lead "Yugoslavian-born American former World No. 1 professional tennis player"
Should we write about the Hungarian citizenship that she also gained in 2003 in the lead or inside the article? I mean the lead should be "Yugoslavian-born American Hungarian" or should we mention about the Hungarian citizenship inside the article? Thanks(Umumu (talk) 19:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Well, I don't think that "Yugoslavian-born Hungarian\American former World No. 1 professional tennis player" would sound well. Personally split those two topics: Have one line say that she is "the former World No. 1 professional tennis player" and have another (new) line discuss her heritage. Concatenating two independent subjects could cause some confusion. besides, seeing that she changed nationality a few times, it would well warrant for some extra information anyway. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)19:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
