Talk:StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty

Battle Report

Should we add a section for marketing or something? or maybe add the battle reports inside somewhere. The First Battle Report is here http://www.starcraft2.com/features/battlereports/1.xml another one is coming soon. this is true it is splitting into 3 games but its one for each race not one for the game and 2 expansions because i have it on hold for the whole game not 1/3 of the game¥

Release Date is Unknown

@ S@bre, please read the following (this is on the edit article page):

PLEASE READ BEFORE EDITING:

1. DO NOT INSERT ANY INFORMATION READ ON FANSITES, except when such information can be sourced by reliable sources, or has been released by Blizzard OFFICIALLY!

2. WHENEVER POSSIBLE, INFORMATION ADDED TO THIS PAGE SHOULD HAVE ITS SOURCE LISTED USING THE REF TAG. Information added to this page without a source is subject to removal from the article at any Wikipedian's discretion.

3. DO NOT ADD THE ALLEGED DATE OF RELEASE. As per long standing consensus on this page we will not add the release date for this game until Blizzard publicly issues a release date.

Number 3 clearly sums it up, Blizzard has not publicly issued a release date, nor have they mentioned 2009 as a year of release. I personally want it this year, but that doesn't mean it is going to be released this year, so please leave it as unknown until Blizzard announces an official release. Activision and IGN do not count as official sources. Here is the official source of Starcraft 2's release "www.starcraft2.com/faq.xml" 137.244.215.61 (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:V overrides anything added in hidden comments. Activision Blizzard, Vivendi or whatever it calls itself these days is official enough for an estimate release date, and IGN is a reliable source to corrobate that information. Sourced information is what Wikipedia is about, the comment is meant to protect against precise dates from unsourced speculation and retailers. Considering that it has said "2009" with those two sources in it since September last year—seven months—past consensus on release dates has clearly changed, although the policy towards anything more speculative has not. In anycase, putting "Unknown" is an entirely unencyclopedic and unprofessional word for dealing with that field. -- Sabre (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Blizzard's official website takes precedence over Activision's speculation and especially IGN. You are right about "unknown" being unencyclopedic, and a better suited word or phrase would be "TBA" which has been used on several other future game articles. 137.244.215.61 (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is built on secondary sources. These secondary sources, reliable under Wikipedia guidelines for featured articles, point to a 2009 release. And Activision Blizzard, as the owner of Blizzard, is hardly the sort of source that would be speculating about what happens in its own backyard in an official announcement. Just because Blizzard hasn't said on their site doesn't mean it hasn't been made known by other means. You are not presenting a case for why WP:V, one of the three core Wikipedia policies, should be ignored. -- Sabre (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Sabre. Both sources used to cite the date both state that the game's release date is still highly speculative.

• "Next year's offerings from Activision Blizzard should include highly anticipated PC strategy title StarCraft II, the sequel to one of the world's most enduringly popular games"

• "Contrary to speculation, Blizzard has always said that StarCraft 2 would release 'when it's done.' "

http://pc.ign.com/articles/907/907028p1.html

• A word of caution though! Even though Activision Blizzard owns Blizzard, they have always been a very independent company, regardless of owners, and could very well hold StarCraft back to 2010 just to prove us wrong...

http://www.starcraftwire.net/blog/comments/activision-confirms-starcraft-ii-for-2009/?gr_i_ni

• Now if you can find me a better source that says the game will absolutely be released on XX day, TBA is a better replacement. 2009 or not, no release date has been announced. Oldag07 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, alright, if we're not going to take Activision Blizzard's estimate for it as parent company, then I'm not going to push the issue any further. -- Sabre (talk) 09:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I have had consensus override my ideas many a times. Thanks for all the hard work Sabre. Oldag07 (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes thank you for maintaining this article and other StarCraft articles. I can see you have put a lot of work in them, but I really hate seeing speculated release dates for games that haven't been officially announced. For us gamers, let's hope it does come out this year. 137.244.215.61 (talk) 16:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait a minute, I thought you (Oldag07 and the guy who needs to register an account) said IGN and fansites were unreliable sources. Why then did you cite them in support of your argument?--Soviet689 (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I didn't say that they were or were not reliable sources. I am merely quoting the sources that were originally used to justify that a 2009 release date. These sources actually do not justify the release date, but rather support the TBA marker. Oldag07 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

As for the new source, http://starcraft2may2009release.wordpress.com/ blogs are not considered reliable sources, unless they are official blogs of blizzard. Oldag07 (talk) 13:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Release date: E3

Right, Mike Morhaime, the president of the Blizzard Entertainment, has confirmed that the game is anticipated for this year at E3, though subject to the usual string of "we won't release until we're satisfied". This is a different case from the Activision Blizzard stuff above; this is Blizzard Entertainment themselves saying this. I'm sure we can all agree that the president of the company can speak on justifiably on behalf of the company. Source. -- Sabre (talk) 18:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

While I can accept this recent announcement. This is far more concrete than sources in the past have given. In defense of those of us who defended not putting up the release date, the announcement Sabre references only happened a few days ago. The previous debate was due to questionable sources, or vague secondary sources. With this current announcement, with is posted over a wide variety of sources, I feel we can loosen the release date blackout on this page and put 2009 on it with in my opinion justifies putting it up. However, I would like to see what other editors would have to say about this before posting that this game will have a late 2009 release date.

• http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Blizzard-Starcraft-2-RTS,news-4027.html
• http://compactiongames.about.com/b/2009/06/01/starcraft-2-planned-for-2009.htm

Oldag07 (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree as well, but I suggest stating that a specific release date (an actual date) has not yet been given. Other than that, this is exciting news.137.244.215.61 (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the edit, I think we can put the topic to rest for now, until the official release date is announced. Thank you Oldag and S@bre for making this article what it is. 137.244.215.61 (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

While this certainly is not as authoritative like the Blizzard president, this new source seems to think that there is likely going to be a delay. New source I think we go with what we have, but, i am tempted to add the source into the page anyways. Oldag07 (talk) 04:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I read the article and think, although a delay is likely (since beta hasn't been launched yet), the analyst's main point was really pointless and had no relations to Starcraft. I don't see why Activision couldn't release two games within a month of each other, especially since they are two completely different category of games. If the game does get delayed, it is because it isn't finished yet. So I don't think we need to reference the article. Lets hope there is no delay though. :) 137.244.215.19 (talk) 12:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

According to http://www.gamespot.com/news/6214823.html:

the publisher announced as part of its April-June earnings report that Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty for the PC has been delayed to the first half of 2010.

This seems official enough to add to the article, instead of TBA. Thue 13:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

See sections of talk page past the Lan controversy. [[User:Oldag07|Oldag07]] (talk) 14:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC) merged all sections Oldag07 (talk) 16:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see, none of them cite a reliable source. I did. So is there any reason not to update the article with a 1H 2010 release date? Thue | talk 18:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

See "Release date as of August 5th 2009" below. Oldag07 (talk) 16:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The discussion there is whether the source there is a primary source. I linked to what is clearly a primary source, so I don't see how the discussion below is relevant. As I also said above. Thue | talk 16:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

First off, i thank you for your patience. This seems to be an hot button issue. The key word in the primary source is anticipated this wording suggests speculation, not according to WP:CRYSTAL "included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" (Note, Thue, i am willing prevent an edit war, so I will not revert until you respond, or until this evening if you don't) Oldag07 (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Release Date Update as of August 1 2009

"As of a report on July 28th, it has been speculated that the release date will be bumped back to 2010. This is not certain at this point, but in an interview with video game analyst Jess Lubert, he stated, "StarCraft 2 may be pushed out of this year, due to development delays. The beta testing for 'StarCraft' hasn't started yet. If it starts in August and takes 5-6 months, then launching the game this year is next to impossible."

I was hesitant put up this information due to WP:CRYSTAL. It is sourced and it is valid information. But it is speculative. Removing it however, begs the question, should we remove 2009 release date too, and state that it is TBA again. We spent so much time arguing over it earlier, I am hesitant to do anything at the moment. Oldag07 (talk) 05:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd say throw the TBA tag back up. "Late 2009 or early 2010" is too speculative. In reality, no release date has been officially announced. Mike Morhaime was stating that they wanted to get the game out by 2009. "To Be Announced" is probably the best description of the release date at this point. 137.244.215.19 (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Release date as of August 5th 2009

Given the discussion above, I decided not to "be bold" just yet. But... This announcement is phrased in the first-person, as written by Blizzard, and is on an official Blizzard site (forums.battle.net) by an identified "Blizzard Poster" (Cydra). It says "StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty will not be ready for release by the end of 2009"... "we look forward to delivering a real-time strategy gaming experience worthy of the series’ legacy in the first half of 2010." Does that count as an official announcement? --User:AlexChurchill —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.18.173 (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

yes   Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 03:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the message board, we should watch for WP:PRIMARY. (If you read earlier posts carefully, I never stated that secondary sources shouldn't be used.) Admittedly there are secondary sources out there, but after posting up a date, changing it, removing it several times for the Q4 2009 fiasco, lets just use the guidelines for WP:CRYSTAL. Oldag07 (talk) 22:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

In a nutshell, history shows that any release date for blizzard is speculative at best, until there is an official announcement. Thus posting any date violates WP:CRYSTAL. I would be more open to posting something up when the beta for the game is released. Oldag07 (talk) 15:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Posting plans that a company has stated has nothing to do with wp:crystal. It doesn't matter if that company changes it plans often.   Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

"anticipated" does not equal announcement. being the key word from the primary source. and any secondary source will tell you that blizzard will release something "when it is done"Oldag07 (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I am willing to go with my compromise solution, but if no comment is made, I personally am more comfortable with TBA. Oldag07 (talk) 22:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Oldag, TBA should stay. Every other announcement that has been made so far has been speculative. "Blizzard anticipates a first half 2010 release". This is not an official release date, please understand this. "Anticipating a 2010 release" is saying they would LIKE to release it by then. It is not official until there is an official announcement by Blizzard saying the game is going to be released on a specific date. 137.244.215.51 (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Blizzard has missed the "Summer" deadline for the Starcraft 2 Beta. Please make a note of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.50.224 (talk) 23:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Release date as of February 11th 2010

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/starcraft-2-beta-begins-this-month-game-coming-mid-2010.ars —Wulf (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if this isn't the best place - I'm a bit new and don't know where else to put this. I think it's worth noting that the beta came out (18 Feb right?) and that access keys to the beta are being sold on ebay for upwards of $300 w/ polar bears, and over $200 w/o. That seems excessive. While it may not be a huge deal to us today, in ten or fifteen years when SC and SC2 are near-forgotten relics, the fact that beta access keys were sold for 5-6x the anticipated retail price of the game (if not more) will help give perspective on how excited many fans are about this game. -Vaerax, 24Feb2010

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Release date as of May 4th 2010

It will be released on July 27 on Mac and PC worldwide except chinalinkI will edit it. --Karim666 (talk) 21:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

No Lan Controversy (piracy issue)

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/11157-blizzard-cites-piracy-as-reason-for-no-starcraft-ii-lan/ http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59340

Blizzard says piracy is the reason for no support for LAN (offline local area network gameplay)

The controversy is that people are responding badly, thus this can lead to lower sales already and provoked hacking the game to get LAN to work, in which these hacks are often found in game cracks. I don't need more info to understand that it will be hacked and pirated more, especially for newcomers to the series. Which means me too, I will certainly not use some battle.net to go LAN, that's ridiculous. Just looking some sites , it's already sawn from space that this is a huge controversy from point one, seems that this will spark massive hacking. That's true, even I want LAN. Fact is also that no matter how good wow and warcraft3 is, the battle.net sucks so not a good start to direct people to it, while they're making new battle.net upgrade... I don't think that will prevent 13 year old noobs from spamming with shitload of threads.

The original Controversy part so far (I did not originally make it) is in hidden quote, edit, fix, use it when it's appropriate.

Battle.net 2.0 and the beta are nearly due to be announced. It would be prudent to adopt a 'wait and see' attitude as to how Blizzard chooses to implement this. It might very well be that they choose to adopt a similar system to Steam, in which case LAN would be present, but the client would need to auth and stay connected: Thus you play over LAN, but auth with Battle.net.

Also, considering how massive and far reaching the update is said to be that speculation of this nature just wouldn't be helpful. In short, the controversy in itself is fairly baseless due to the fact nobody has any idea how in fact it IS implemented. All this is based on speculation that can easily be verified when the beta comes out (which isn't very far away...)--Tyraz (talk) 00:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Blizzard saying they're not going to put LAN on the game coz of piracy is like presuming people are idiots. Of course it's not about piracy but about money. Even a dud can see that what Blizzard is doing is a prequel to a Pay to Play platform for starcraft 2. Of course it's a stupid move which could hurt sales and lead to a crusade to hack the game. I for one wouldn't hesitate to tinker with the game and use 3rd party programs to get LAN gameplay.

And let's be straight about one thing. Hackers will ALWAYS find a way. It's a lame excuse that even morons won't believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.89.3 (talk) 03:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Remember, this is a talk page about the article, not the success of blizzard's anti-piracy initiatives. That type of discussion is appropriate at http://www.starcraft2.com Oldag07 (talk) 12:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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Possible delays

On July 28, MarketWatch reported that StarCraft II's release date may be postponed to 2010. While Blizzard has not confirmed any delays, video game analyst Jess Lubert stated, "StarCraft 2 may be pushed out of this year, due to development delays. The beta testing for 'StarCraft' hasn't started yet. If it starts in August and takes 5-6 months, then launching the game this year is next to impossible."

In response to the possible delay of the release of StarCraft II, Jeff Haynes of IGN.com contacted Blizzard. A spokesperson for Blizzard informed Haynes, "We're still targeting the end of the year for the launch of StarCraft II and we're also still targeting this summer for the start of the beta, so none of that's changed on this end." and that, "We're still looking to ship the game by the end of the year. If that changes, we'll let you guys know, but that's how things are looking right now."

Removed this from the page. as discussed above. If this page's official stance is TBA for the release date, than it makes no sense to have a "delays" section. moreover. WP:CRYSTAL Oldag07 (talk) 14:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed: On August 5th, 2009, Blizzard announced that StarCraft II and another upcoming game will be delayed until early 2010.

The biggest reason why we put a release date was because the blizzard president said that it was coming out in 2009. The blizzard president did not say anything about the game coming out in 2010, even though there is reason to believe that there was another delay in the game. I say we keep to the old standards expressed in the comments at the beginning of the page. Oldag07 (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit protection?

With all the reverting over the date going into this article should we consider semi-protecting for full-protecting the article for a while? I'm getting tired of constantly reverting unsourced speculation over the release date and any delays, and if that is true of me its probably true of one or two others as well. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to too, BUT, these are good faith edits. WP:GOODFAITH Despite that, we should do a better job of informing people that no official release date will be announced on this page unless blizzard announces it. Oldag07 (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats too bad. I meant hey are editting in good faith and all, but their WP:BOLD attempts are becoming WP:ANNOYING :) Oh well, as Bruce Wayne observed in The Dark Knight, "we wouldn't want to make things too easy now would we?" TomStar81 (Talk) 02:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL. keep up the good work TomStar81 Oldag07 (talk) 02:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was this article made indefinite semi-protected, and could we remove it now when the argument that triggered it has been laid to rest? I cant find any indication in the articles history to validate a indefinite semi-protection as given by WP:ROUGH--Belorn (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done –xeno^talk 18:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft 2 Screenshot and Logo needs updating

SC2's art has been completely updated and redesigned. The screenshots on this article are very old and doesn't reflect the latest builds of the game. Also the game logo has been updated as well. Let me put some as examples:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3435/3843223287_6bcd517fc3_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3422/3844016988_71bfcff2e1_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3843221879_2138f41cbe_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2635/3844007476_a320df7de4_o.jpg

New updated Wings of Liberty Logo can be found on various sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Houw (talk • contribs) 04:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I just updated the logo with the current released one for Wings of Liberty. I think this page should also be moved to '"StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty"'. DarthBotto _talk•cont —Preceding undated comment added 07:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC).

There are two options we can do for each game of the trilogy.

1. Move this page to StarCraft ii Wings of Liberty

Pros: simplest. at the moment, the easiest to implement. Until the second game of the trilogy comes out, removes a significant amount of repetition.

Cons: When expansions start development, and the trickle of information comes in on the new sequel, it will be awkward to put information on the sequel on the wings of liberty page. I don't know then the line will be to create a new page for the expansion games.

2. Keep this page, and make eventually new individual pages for each game of the trilogy.

Pros: a centralized location for gameplay, the culture that will eventually surround the game.

Cons: initially, the will be a lot of repetition. the wings of liberty page will be small at the moment, and pretty have repetitive with the main StarCraft II page.

If you can think of any other way to do it, please suggest. if not, I guess, we can discuss how we want to structure the pages of the trilogy. Oldag07 (talk) 17:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Or you could keep the main SC2 page & just generate sections for each game in the trilogy. 『 ɠu¹ɖяy 』 ^¤ • ¢ 18:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The two expansions will foreseeably generate sufficient development and reception info for spin-outs, I think we just need to add the "Wings of Liberty" name to this one – I think we've reached the stage when we can rename this article now. Keep the expansion info here for the moment in this article's development section, until each enters full development and we have the info to sustain full articles. That's the pretty standard way to deal with expansions. Either way, we won't need pages at both StarCraft II and StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty at any point, as implied by that second route, the page for the base game typically serves as the central point in relation to expansions as well. -- Sabre (talk) 19:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Lets give it until next week. if no one objects, than we move it. Oldag07 (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I think we need an admin to move it anyways Oldag07 (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

That's not a problem :) -- Sabre (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

We could technically spin off some of the information on the expansions to the StarCraft (series) page. I think the SC2 section on that page needs an update. That might be a good compromise solution. 5-6 years after the whole trilogy is out, the page named StarCraft II could redirect there. Oldag07 (talk) 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Updating information on the series page will be necessary, but the expansions need to be given basic coverage here as well - the other two are expansions to StarCraft II, in the same way Brood War is to the original (give or take some standalone expansion measures). Wings of Liberty is merely the subtitle of StarCraft II, in the same way as say Project Origin is the subtitle of FEAR 2, there's no point directing StarCraft II anywhere else. -- Sabre (talk) 11:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I also assume that some rewording will be required for the move. I have started working on it in my Sandbox. Oldag07 (talk) 01:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Move completed. I'll leave Oldag to upload the prose refinements in his own time. -- Sabre (talk) 09:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting this page updated media wise? Like I said, the screenshots are very old and aren't really reflective of the game any longer. Makes wikipedia feel not updated.

Well, this is an encyclopedia built on the principle that anybody can edit it. . . Oldag07 (talk) 00:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Won't be out till 2015

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzO_3RCfJQw#t=03m17s --67.187.26.29 (talk) 22:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think wikipedia considers youtube a reliable source. Besides, thats seems highly unlikely. Noneofyour (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Youtube may be hosting it, the source is the mouth pieces speaking. --67.187.26.29 (talk) 02:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

In the context they said it, i'm pretty sure that they were just joking.

Yeah, they were joking. There is no way Blizzard would take that long to release the game. --Thelifelessone (talk) 04:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Timeline

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Does that statement that Zeratul is still tormented mean that the game takes place before the novel Twilight? Chronolegion (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Good question? I am not really into the novels. I don't know. I hate to be a party pooper, but this type of conversation belongs on http://www.starcraft2.com Chronolegion, keep up the good work. Oldag07 (talk) 01:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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Criticism

Removed the 'lag times' comment from criticism because anyone who knows how battle.net operates would be aware that if all players in a game are on the same lan the service treats it AS a lan game. The only real concern is the inability to play multiplayer where no internet is present. Latency is NOT an issue in LAN games over bnet. Wikipedia is not a place for baseless slander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.209.209.129 (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Marketplace

I was AT Blizzcon, I listened to the interview that is linked as a reference for the point I edited. The person who added the segment about DotA didn't listen very carefully. DotA was listed as an example of an excellent mod for wc3, but was also stated very clearly that it would NOT qualify as a premium map because it uses mostly warcraft 3's attributes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.209.209.129 (talk) 17:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Winner of the prestigious Vaporware awards 2009

Now it's in the number one spot [1] and it's been featured before in the list.--99.192.49.231 (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I put it in. While I personally disagree with the award, this is a legit source. It is also a way to help balance the article. Oldag07 (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Release Date

In the recently released Blizzcast 13 http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/blizzcast/archive/episode13.html

Production director, Chris Sigaty, said "You haven't asked this question yet, but I'll answer it ahead of time. We were targeting three to five months for the beta, we're really at a three month period of time for the beta at this point. We are still targeting the first half of this year, so with that in mind, it really shortens the window of time with our major content patch coming out pretty close to the end whether it's even worth it putting out the map editor at that point."

So should we put the release date as Q2 2010 (targeted)?KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 11:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

As someone has been pretty stanch "keep it TBA until it is officially announced", I am far more comfortable writing projected release dates now that beta is out. However, I would like to hear more opinions on the issue. Oldag07 (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

An article released this week by IGN claims "TBA 2010". I think this is a more accurate date than simply "TBA" (as if it's vaporware). Jwesley₇₈ 18:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe "Expected: 2010"? TastyCakes (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that would be ok, but I'd prefer "TBA 2010". There's little doubt it'll be released in 2010. It's already in beta. Jwesley₇₈ 23:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Well I know it's a little pedantic, but I think there's a significant difference between the two. "TBA 2010" makes an absolute statement that it will be announced in 2010. This seems, to me, an example of crystal balling. Saying it is expected in 2010 is in no doubt, it is a fact, not a prediction, however well founded. Therefore, saying "expected" is just better language for Wikipedia, in my opinion. TastyCakes (talk) 06:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Updated. It is about time. Beta is out. Oldag07 (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Beta section update

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The Beta section needs to be updated. The article mentions that a map editor is expected to be released, along with a major content patch towards the end of beta. Also, it mentions patch 8 as the latest patch.

As of 4/22/2010, Patch 9 has been released, bringing the GalaxyEditor with it. Patch 9 corresponds to the major content patch mentioned as expected in the beta, and should be updated to reflect that. This link can be used as a source/reference: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=243993487492&sid=5000#10

Cavillis (talk) 22:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done. I reworded what you said a bit, please review. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 06:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Patches 9 & 10

I added that Patch 9 added a map editor and updated the patch count to 10 (effective about an hour or so ago). Don't know the right way to cite so copied another citation and it came out wonky. Someone should fix it. Also fix this section if I put it in wrong. thx. Slackmaster K 09:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

JUNE 15th, 2010 - European launch of Starcraft II revealed

Starcraft 2 will be available for purchase on June 15th, 2010 in Europe. This is the official European launch date. This information has been sent to various retail suppliers some days ago. I think the Wiki folks won't update the release date section in the article until a press announcement for the general public has been made, but you'll see that this info is correct.

Please fix translations INTO PORTUGUESE

The game will be translated into portuguese as well [2]

Release date announced

Check out this blog post on StarCraft 2. 192.118.11.112 (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)