User talk:WhatamIdoing

Please add notes to the end of this page. I'll probably reply here unless you suggest another page for a reply. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk)

Counter

You helped me in the past, and I wondered if you could help me again. I used to access a counter page that could tell me how many edits I made on any Wikipedia page (e.g., an article, a discussion page, a template page, a user pages, etc.). The counter I use can no longer do that for me. I wondered if you know of a counter page that can count how many edits I made on any specific page. Thank you.Iss246 (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You might try this one. If you want detailed/non-summary information, you need to create a page at User:Iss246/EditCounterOptIn.js (with any non-blank content; mine says "Information wants to be free"). Expect a scary-looking warning (boilerplate for all pages ending in .js) when you create the page.

If that counter doesn't do what you want, then please let me know. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I use the first one: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Iss246&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia but it no longer tells me the number of contributions specific article by specific article.

I created this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Iss246/EditCounterOptIn.js&action=edit&redlink=1 but I don't know how to use it. How will it give me a count of, say, the edits I made on the Work & Stress article? Iss246 (talk) 04:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The .js page doesn't seem to exist: it's still a WP:Red link. After you create/save the page, then the other link should provide you much more detail. Compare, e.g., the report you got for your own account with the report for mine (be sure to click the 'show' links at the bottom).

Also, for individual articles, you can try this counter, which can be reached at the "External tools: Revision history statistics" link on every article's history page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't get further than what I already have on my iss246 page. The bottom of my soxred page reads as follows:

Month counts User has not yet opted in. If you want to see graphs, please create User:Iss246/EditCounterOptIn.js with any content. Alternatively, you can create meta:User:Iss246/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js to opt-in across all Wikimedia wikis. Top edited articles User has not yet opted in. If you want to see graphs, please create User:Iss246/EditCounterOptIn.js with any content. Alternatively, you can create meta:User:Iss246/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js to opt-in across all Wikimedia wikis.

I don't know what to do with those meta sites. I tried to opt in, but I'm not sure what that means. I can neither get monthly counts (which I once had) and counts of my edits on specific articles and other pages (which I once had). I wouldn't mind if you did the edits for me. I am lost.Iss246 (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't do this step for you. Try just this bit:

1. Click here.
2. Click "Start the User:Iss246/EditCounterOptIn.js page"
3. In the resulting edit box, type anything you like -- "I'm so frustrated", "This is harder than necessary", mash the keyboard, anything, but there must be at least one character in the edit box, or it won't save the page properly.
4. Save the page (like you would for anything else).
5. Come back to this page, and let me know that you've gotten this far. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I got the counter working the way I want. Thank you. You are unfailingly helpful. You, and people like you, make Wikipedia a hospitable place. Best wishes.Iss246 (talk) 22:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad that it has worked out. This complication with the .js pages is a new thing, apparently required by some German privacy law. (The toolserver system is physically located in Germany.) Take care, WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

question

Hi. Another question: what's the quickest way to see my userpages (pages I'ves started but haven't yet presented to wikipedia's eager audience)? I've got a couple I am working on and can't find them. Thanks. Jim Steele (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Click here. This uses Special:PrefixIndex, and is described at WP:Subpages. As an alternative, you can look at Special:Contributions/Jimsteele9999 to scan through the list of any page you've ever edited. This is sometimes handy for pages that you've recently edited, but can't quite remember the name of. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Anonymity, etc.

With regard to that paper you reviewed for me, thank you so much for your feedback. I have tried to address and integrate all of the comments you raised. I also sent you back an e-mail with some comments as well. Also, I would like to at least mention you in the paper acknowledgments, so if you want to e-mail me your name I will do that. However, if you wish to maintain anonymity, I totally respect that. Just let me know what you want to do. Thanks again for everything! ---kilbad (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kilbad,

I apologize for disappearing on you. My "e-life" has been disrupted by an unexpected hard drive failure (complete with out-of-date backups for a good deal of relatively unimportant data). My laptop died Wednesday night, with the sudden appearance of an ominous ticking sound -- the sound of a disk head gently scraping data off the drive. I hope to re-read the paper soon -- but please don't wait on me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hypoglycemia

Hello WAID I am thinking of doing some work on hypoglycemia. I have pulled up a few review articles and intend to reference the peice. Looks like it has been controversial in the past so though I would give you a heads up.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. If memory serves, one of the outstanding questions is whether the AltMed conception of hypoglycemia should be incorporated.

Is there any chance you'd just happen to spontaneously feel like putting this off until the Google project is a little less active? I'm concerned about dividing our attention. It's all very well and good for them to provide these (valuable) external reviews and suggestions, but we're the ones that have to implement the suggestions. And since there are about ten more than 20 of them doing these reviews, I'm concerned that we'll be getting further behind with every new review. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay will do. I still feel that the google reviews have been in the wrong order. Unless an editor is ready for a review and has brought the article as far as the can a review is not as useful as it could be. I was working on the asthma page but it is such a huge topic and there is so much work yet to be done.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind having them start with moderately lousy articles, but they're about 80% done with the reviews, and we're about 20% done with lining up editors to work on them. One of the 'lessons learned' ought to be that Wikipedia's volunteer resources are limited. A pile of excellent suggestions doesn't do us much good if the suggestions never move off the talk page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Notability of small settlements

I saw that you contributed to the discussion at WT:N#Notability of small settlements, so you may be interested in a policy proposal I have made concerning this issue at the Village pump. Regards. Claritas (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

RfD nomination of FWSE

I have nominated FWSE (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Claritas (talk) 20:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could add some text...

You raised a great point at the medicine talk page. Yeah, currently, I only want to tag redirects for disease synonyms found in the list of cutaneous conditions. This is not to say that someday we will not also tag other types I redirects, but that is where I am starting. With that being said, would you consider adding some text to the relevant sections at WP:DERM:A about which articles and redirects should be tagged? Regardless, thanks again for all your help in the past! ---kilbad (talk) 00:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Let me think it over for a few days.

Are the ones you want to tag pretty consistently marked with {{R from alternative name}}? That could be used by a bot to find the ones you want to tag. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks... and unfortunately, I just started using that template the last few months... so many of the pertinent redirects do not have that template. ---128.248.202.31 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC).

suggestion

Hi. It seems special education is vandalized regularly, and I'm thinking it should be protected. Can you do that? Thanks, JS. Jim Steele (talk) 16:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't do it, but anyone can request it by posting a note at WP:RFPP (ask for semi-protection). I'm not sure that it will be approved, though. It's only been vandalized about four times in the last month, which isn't much. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Why does everyone assume you are an admin? (Including me at times!) :) Do want me to nominate you? Or is that a dumb question...? --Jubilee♫clipman 19:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes WAID I also think you would make a great admin and would support this nomination.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Asking formally

Would you like to be an admin? I will nominate you, if so (even though the procedure looks somewhat scary!) --Jubilee♫clipman 02:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Now I get it

You wrote "The same can be said, BTW, for Noah Webster's works". Suddenly I understand why we have so many spelling issues with WP:ENGVAR :-) LeadSongDog come howl! 21:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I want to say that I am extremely grateful for your reply at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Self-published. So far, you seem to be the only editor who believes that a press release (e.g., from BP about their oil spill, on their own website) is self-published.

Fundamentally, I think people have got their wires crossed: WP:SPS warns about the reliability of self-published sources. So what's a self-published source? Why, it's whatever seems unreliable to me. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Jessica

Jessica wanted me to move the most recent SPI page you made at here for Dieudonne Carrington isnt actually posted on the SPI page. Either under pending or awaiting admin approval . I guess the bot is down or something? But its not on the pending approval page or anything. So if you could fix that, i dont feel like learning the new system (used checkuser, havent learned SPI formatting). She keeps asking me about opening up a ANI discussion for her too :sigh:. Anyway have a nice day. MrMacMan ^Talk 01:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you should feel obligated to carry messages for her. In fact, if I were you, the only message I'd carry would be to her family, and it would be to ask them if they understand the situation. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah she just messages me a lot with requests since she claims that she isnt socking anymore until her Arb ban goes away. Despite that it has become clear that she is socking. The latest of such is pretty blatantly obvious User:Sharon Applebaum - while the low amount of edits is hard to be sure, but use of minor edits, tagging and most damning 'Sharon Applebaum'. Ms. Applebaum is the Assistant Principal at Jessica's former school. As you can see from their main page here. If you want to teach me the new SPI system ill go ahead and file a report when there is more edits to back my assertion. Then again she will probably dump that account since she follows both your and my edit history everyday. MrMacMan ^Talk 04:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi WAID. Looks like she may be incarnated again on the special education page. Her edits/suggestion on the talk page are dubious.

Jim Steele (talk) 21:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Oy vey. I think she may be at it again. Seems like I won't need to say much in terms of proof because the insipid posts speak for themselves. Check out the similar cadence via special education by Bryan something. The name changes but the smell persists...

Jim Steele (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've been offline for a little over a week (a bit strange, but largely refreshing). I see that you figured out WP:SPI, and the latest account by that permanently banned user has already been blocked.

I've responded to the latest talk page discussion and re-fixed the sock-introduced nonsense in the article.

I wonder how many more times we'll have to provide links to official UK government documents that include words like "segregation" before the UK contingent will quit saying that the UK does not use such terms? (As a point of fact, I've chosen terms in that article primarily based on making the links work: It names "mainstreaming" and "inclusion" because there are articles at Mainstreaming (education) and Inclusion (education), but not at Integration (education) or Normalisation (education).) WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2010

(UTC)

Interesing choice of words, seeing how I often have to refresh my desktop. Strange seems more appropriate, but it's a necessary stop on the long, uphill climb to individuality. Can't say I figured out the SPI, though, I just kind of posted it in haste and let the experienced ones do the rest. Story of my time here, really...Should be snuffed out, though, this wretch who meddles. The arguments about correct wording, proper phrasing and such regarding special education are nonsense. Fighting over semantics takes energies away from important issues. I wouldn't waste time. It's like explaining to a kid how important it is to look both way before he crosses the street, and he keeps interupting you, telling you about his nickle-plated bicycle. Thanks for cleaning up the smears by the sock.Jim Steele (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

RFC tag

Please try to be more careful in adjusting tags in the future. There is a parameter to add more than one topic. It is a style issue. If there is anything else it is probably politics. I kept soc in based on your edit.Cptnono (talk) 06:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure, it's a style issue, but it is definitely not a question of how to change a style guideline, which is the (exclusive) purpose of the style page. If you'll go look at {{Wider attention}}, you'll find the the |style parameter is explicitly listed as being used only on "non-article pages". WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, and a quick question

Thanks for your advise to my question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Your_opinion_on_my_right_to_post_external_links.2C_please...

I really appreciate your suggestions and will follow up on them. I would like to ask you a question: Will my account automatically be blocked if I add something, as EyeSerene suggested on my talk page, or is this more of a process that I could prevent by adding additional details, as you suggested? Thanks and have a nice day Digitaldomain (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't really do automatic blocks of registered accounts. Every block is handled individually by a human, and is usually preceded by repeated warnings (nominally four). If you did get blocked (and accidents presumably do happen), then it's not necessarily permanent, as you can appeal the block.

You might want to create your own user page (click here to start it), where you can post (almost) anything you want. In particular, you might like to post information about

1. the fact that Wikipedia approves of people like you sharing suitable and appropriate external links (with quotations and links to relevant policies and guidelines, if you're feeling a bit paranoid)
2. a statement that only a single individual is using this account (if true; if not, we need to fix that so that it is true, because shared accounts violate the terms of service).

(BTW, you are permitted to remove or make your own archive of old messages from your talk page if you're tired of looking at them.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Can you remove other people's posts from your talk page? I thought I did that once and was accused of "refactoring". Thanks in advance.

Jim Steele (talk) 13:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you can. The relevant rules are at WP:TALK#Others' comments (which, now that I look, were heavily edited in January to obscure this point). There are a few exceptions, like removing a block notice while the block is in force. A few editors get fussy if you do this, and a few more are unaware of what the rule actually are, but it is, and has always been, permissible.

Properly speaking, refactoring is changing a message (say, by deleting half of it), not its wholesale removal. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy notification

Hello. Just to let you know I mentioned your reply to a question raised at Wikipedia talk:Stand-alone lists#Lead and selection criteria reg football player lists, in an RfC at WT:FOOTY#Name of football player lists. Hope I didn't misrepresent you. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

From a while ago

You commented here: Talk:Radiation (pain) (the page was originally here) a long time ago, but I thought that it was fair enough.

I was bold and moved it, added some disambiguation templates and the like. I will improve the article when I get chance.

Please comment here on my actions if you think what I did was not for the best. Kind regards, Captain n00dle\^Talk 21:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Request for Comment needing your input

Hi, I'd like to ask for your input here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Minphie. Recently you commented on Minphie's conduct and we ask if you could come and give feedback at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Minphie as the editor appears not to have taken any heed of the community's feedback on his approach to editing. If you don't remember your exact interactions with Minphie, it is detailed in the RfC/U page. Thankyou for your time, --Figs Might Ply (talk) 23:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:V

I simply cannot continue going in circles on that particular discussion; so, I will not be commenting on it any further. Due to the heavily involved nature of the discussion, I felt this courtesy message was called for.

Hopefully, we will cross paths again.  Chickenmonkey  04:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Not a dictionary

Please check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lady. Thanks.Kitfoxxe (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Another question

I would appreciate it if you could explain to me what happened here (the next 3 lines are copied from my watchlist):

June 2, 2010

• (Deletion log); 19:53 . . NawlinWiki (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility of Psychology: removed edit summary for 1 revision (RD2: Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material)

What did NawlinWiki do? And why? I don't understand this. Thanks. Iss246 (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Revision deletion doubtless has the details, but as I understand it, this is done when a vandal puts something libelous or patently offensive into an article, and an admin wants to make sure that other people can't see it, even if they're looking at the Help:Page history. It's a way of making a change to a page "disappear". With this approach, the change is invisible to you and me, but could be seen by an admin. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Iss246 (talk) 03:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

hmm

Any reason why this [1]is? I seem to follow the procedure and it won't show the citations. Also, the help page like so many on wikipedia is turgid. Jim Steele (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

After a couple of minutes' confusion, I figured it out. It looked like a typo: instead of putting the ref before the close tag (the </ref>), you accidentally put it inside the close ref tag (< text /ref>). The 'missing' ref tag then ate the rest of the page. (A missing or broken ref tag is a good thing to look for if you make a change, and suddenly a previously long article stops dead right after the last reference, or skips all the text between the ref you were editing and the next.)

BTW, if you find these clickable footnotes to be more bother than they're worth, you can choose classic parenthetical references instead on any article that you create. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, you are a great resource! If I had it within my power I would give you a fancy graphic that says so. But in the meantime you will have to accept my genuine gratitude. It's bonafide, heartfelt, but not embellished (although my reputation precedes me, according to at least one person I am a covert agent of some type. References will be forthcoming).

Jim Steele (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for strike-out info

Thanks - I'll fix it when I have time to wrestle with formatting. Assuming you read my apology - I found something better to read before editing Wikipedia, to improve my tone rather than degrade it: Feynman's memoirs. ;-) Postpostmod (talk) 13:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Socks and may be shoes

Truce! lets try to work this out sensibly, personally i would prefer to leave most Wikipedia editor issues with those who have the time and patients to fully under who is who with regard to Socks etc, but in the last few days it have been difficult for me to understand who was who, which is part of my processing issues.

My main concern is to have an article free of any particular countries special education jargon be it the USA the UK or anywhere else. I am aware of the Criticisms regarding special education which exist in the USA regarding the current system there, which may not be shared in other countries So may be renaming the section as say "controvercies" may be a way forward. (never could spell that word) dolfrog (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that we can avoid including a few terms: We need to build the web and provide convenient 'handles' for readers. Not using any terms means that we'd have to say everything the long way -- like "malignant disease of the bone marrow that dramatically increases white blood cell counts" instead of using 'jargon' like "leukaemia".

I have no particular objection to renaming the "Criticisms" section. However, "Controversies" might encourage people to add specific historical scandals (for example, deaf students raped in Italy), rather than general complaints that apply pretty much everywhere. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm stead-fast against renaming the section. "Controversies" suggest a bickering, combative aspect of the section, which is what we want to avoid. The reason why "critism" is used is because it suggest that these particular areas are being analyzed and evaluated because their efficacy has yet to be determined. Also, I do think it would encourage scandalous material. Jim Steele (talk) 00:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Guess what I saw in clinic today...

Accessory nail of the fifth toe... just fyi. And I took some photos I will upload later. ---kilbad (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool! I hope that the photos turn out to your satisfaction. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

global

Hi. I'm all for different aspects of special education being represented. Which is why we have "differences by location." I'm really starting to lose my patience with the assertion the article is biased towards U.S. settings. Tempest in a teapot, really. The references you listed were great, but in vain as they weren't read. Looks to me we have some parents with an axe to grind, or some people with a violation of NPOV in there somewhere. Seeing how it's an article I've taken the time to improve, by slowly adding references (and it seems there are very little editors in this project who seem to care about education-related articles) , I'm not going to let it be tampered with easily. I'm going to take a break, turn a blind eye, unless the article is changed without good reason. The Kafka short stories need attention for now. Thanks for the effort, by the way, listing the sources so quickly on the talk page. Jim Steele (talk) 01:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

By the way, you're work with the article is appreciated. No doubt we're going to get the occasional speenful editor. Just wish they'd be informed. That way, even if I disagree, there's something beneficial left. Jim Steele (talk) 02:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

MOS:COLLAPSE

Hi there. I've restored the text which mentioned "consolidating information covered in prose".

There was a discussion on the matter around 4-6 months ago. Originally it took place at WP:ACCESS, and focussed on whether collapsible content was an accessibility issue. Once establishing that it was not, the discussion moved to the main MoS talk page, where we asked why it was acceptable to have collapsible content in an infobox, but not collapsible content in a non-infobox template that served a similar purpose. The two examples that were used were a collapsible family tree in an article about a royal family, and the use of {{footballbox collapsible}} in articles where the match events have already been described (such as the work in progress 2009–10 Watford F.C. season). The counterargument was that an infobox should consolidate information that is covered in the article, and thus "consolidate content already covered in prose" was conceived.

Admittedly it's a pretty clunky phrase. If you agree with the intended meaning, free to be bold and improve it. If you feel that the intended meaning does not reflect consensus, I would be happy for the discussion to be reopened. Regards, WFCforLife (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I have two problems with this section (although your relatively restrained changes may be just fine). The first is that this was being abused by an editor at Eating disorder and other articles to justify hiding most of the regular article text in large sections (more or less anything after an introductory paragraph in some sections).

The second is that all of these discussions have been based on a remarkably limited conception of disability:

• The ACCESS discussion determined that collapsed text is not an accessibility issue for people with visual impairments.
• The ACCESS discussion absolutely ignored the fact that collapsed or hidden text is a major accessibility problem for people who experience serious pain whenever they have to use a mouse.

Do you believe that RSIs present no accessibility issues, and that regular article content should be hidden from people with (for example) carpal tunnel syndrome? If the information is worth including, surely it's worth making accessible to the 1% of readers who have RSIs? (There are about 30 readers with RSIs for every user of a screen reader.)

Or is ACCESS only about accessibility for people with the "right" kind of disabilities? Architects frequently believe that the only disabilities that matter are those that involve the use of a wheelchair, and thus mindlessly harm people with neuropathic pain in their feet by replacing a couple of stairs with a very long ramp that requires them to take many extra steps. Does Wikipedia believe that blindness is the only disability that might benefit from accommodation? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I think we're in agreement that even with my changes, the editing at Eating disorder would clearly be a breach of the MoS. I don't know the editor well enough to gauge whether it was a case of deliberately pushing the boundaries, an edit to prove a point, or if the problem was caused by my poor English. If it's the latter, I sincerely apologise.

Now to address your second point. I support a small club and wish to remain anonymous, so I won't go into details. But while I don't suffer from RSI, I do have a minor physical disability. In fairness even I describe it as minor, and I wouldn't sacrifice a limb or one of my senses to get rid of it. But in the real world I am aware of the disadvantage that a less obvious disability can put a person at.

That said, going with the examples I gave previously, I do not believe that the spirit of this change would put those with RSI at a disadvantage. An example I would cite is Ancestry of Elizabeth II. If the dates of birth and death were incorporated into the text, and the article was several times longer (for instance Ancestry of the British Royal Family), those with RSIs would be at no disadvantage, while the benefits of collapsing the family trees would be obvious for all.

A slightly different example is {{footballbox collapsible}} in the incomplete 2009–10 Watford F.C. season. I won't bore you with the reasons, but with that template some of the information is visible in the collapsed state. Of the hidden information, every goalscorer and player sent off will be recorded in the prose, and brought together in the player statistics. The attendance for each match will very soon be available in a "fans" section. This leaves only the name of the referee, which many editors at the football project think is trivia anyway.

To summarise: My view is that under tight restrictions collapsible sections can on occasion enhance an article. I would welcome any move that helped minimize the scope for abuse. Although I would press hard to keep this change, if it was deemed unworkable I would question whether any collapsible content should be allowed. I see (but for the reasons above disagree with) the argument against all collapsible content. But I cannot see why infoboxes should be considered a special case. WFCforLife (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Special education

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Special education. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that you need to look much more closely at the situation. Yes, we have a content dispute: the anon is having trouble figuring out the difference between a setting for education (a place or circumstance) and tracking students (assigning kids to "college bound" or "vocational training", usually with no ability to change tracks).

However, I don't think that there is an edit war. The anon is improperly removing sourced information and adding claims that have been confirmed to be unverifiable misinformation, but there's an active discussion on the talk page, and WP:Edit war excludes changes that are being discussed from the definition of an edit war -- see the "rather than try to resolve the disagreement by discussion" in the very first sentence of that policy.

Finally, there's some reason to believe that this anon is the banned user Jessica Liao, and reverting problems caused by a banned user is never considered to be edit warring. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Er... WP:DTTR...? --Jubilee♫clipman 18:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)