Talk:Kurt Cobain

Kurt Cobain Is Not Homosexual!!!!!

Its true that he said he was bisexual until he married Courtney Love until 1992 but he was never homosexual.When he was in High School a friend he met was homosexual he didnt know at first but he noticed that other students looked at him wierd in the hallways since he started hanging out with his new friend and he watch him get picked on a lot he would protect him. One night his friend made a move on him and he was shocked and pushed him away.The days afterwards he wouldn't talk to him after that since it was just plain akward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.116.189 (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, Kurt "wasn't" homosexual... so what? 190.47.101.146 (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Nobody said he was homosexual. And he never said he actually was bisexual, he said he could be bisexual. Asarelah (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You're right, he wasn't homosexual, he was bisexual - MrGuy

You don't know that he was bisexual. He contradicted himself and lied a lot. He said that he COULD be bisexual, and liked to lead people on. He french kissed Chris on stage to annoy homophobes and he definitely liked the idea of gayness or bisexuality as some kind of form of rebellion. But you can't say that "he was bisexual" because there is no proof of that. Wikipedia should just post his quotes and let the reader decide for themselves.

That Cobain "liked the idea of gayness or bisexuality as some kind of form of rebellion" may be true but understates the point, I think. He wasn't just taking a "hip" stance; he was actively on the side of gays, standing up against prejudice. Anyone who hates gays should hate him, too, which I think was his larger point. --CAVincent (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Cobain said that he "began to become really proud of being gay even though he wasn't"; I'm not 100% on when this was but I'm sure that it was around about the time he was following The Melvins and in the very early days of Nirvana --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

pictures

the ones here are terrible. --69.125.2.186 (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC) I agree, the one that is currently there is horrible, They had a better one but now its been replaced by the crappy one. Megabar09 (talk) 00:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

We have no choice due to copyright violations. Sir Richardson (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So were did that one come from? I was wondering, if someone had a Nirvana album or poster, and if their was as picture of Kurt on it, would there be any copy right if they took a picture of it with a camera and then uploaded it on here?. UnivoxDude15 (talk) 22:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe that such a picture would be considered a derivative work, but that original copyright holder would still retain their rights to the original image. So to use it here, you'd now need the permission of both, which would not improve on the situation of just needing the original person's permission. Tarc (talk) 23:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Genre

Im adding Punk Rock to his Genre's since he was in a Punk band called Fecal Matter and was a Punk. 81.96.254.143 (talk) 21:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. While Nirvana should be regarded as a grunge band, Cobain himself was a punk musician, before the grunge genre was specifically defined. Punk should be included in the genre's of his infobox, in the same way hardcore punk is included in Dave Grohl's for his work in Scream. Sir Richardson (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It's hard to define some of these definitions, sub genres of rock and music. Metal rock glam rock could be hair metal. In Cobain's case both grunge & punk rock fits, but Nirvana itself is grunge!

No not Nirvana itself but who removed it? sombody removed Punk from this section? he was in the Punk Rock band Fecal Matter and they were Punk Rock. Megabar09 (talk) 14:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, somebody removed punk rock! Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Nirvana had some hardcore punk songs. And Kurt Cobain is considered punk my the punk "community". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.71.91.63 (talk) 19:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Religion

Kurt Cobain wanted to convert to Catholicism (a process that involves commitment and time. Time was something he had little of while in Nirvana) according to his wife, Courtney Love, who publicly stated that he wanted to become Catholic before reading his suicide note. I did not see any mention of this in this article, though it does mention many other religious interests that I had never observed said of Kurt while he was alive. Courtney was Buddhist. I also cannot find a reference siting her pre-suicide note ramble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.102.30 (talk) 10:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Source? I think he just had some ideas from Buddhism, but I am not sure if he is. 189.89.156.99 (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

His Alias

Kurdt Cobain? Surely that is a mistake right?96.246.52.215 (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No he called himself that sometimes :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.34.180 (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Painter listed under occupation?

He did the artwork for the Incesticide cover, and he wanted to be a painter. According to Charles R. Cross, he always thought he'd be a famous painter.

Should we add painter or artist or something along those lines to his occupations? ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

No. --CAVincent (talk) 05:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

There should be more of a reasoning against this than just "No". While he never for example had his paintings displayed in an art gallery, he is by any standard considered to have been a visual artist by many reliable sources. His role in Nirvana's music videos and album artwork can be held accountable for this. Personally, I don't think it would be particularly objectionable for "artist" to be listed as an occupation in the article's infobox. Sir Richardson (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that it should be listed as one of his occupations, If you did that you would probably need to put "heroin" in there also :) But joking aside, I think that it was more of a passtime for Cobain than an actual occupation; I think, he was constantly looking for ways in which he could fully express himself and used painting and sculpture as a way to acheive this in ways in which music couldn't. That's just my thoughts. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Punk Rock

I don't see why punk rock keeps getting taken off of his genres. Can someone explain their side of this? ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk) 21:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

• Your statement here is literally the very first time I have ever heard Cobain described as punk rock. His genre was grunge. If you can find a source to support this, then that would prevent it from being removed. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• He definately is a punk rock because in interviews considers him self to be a punk rocker and in the allmusic.com profile it says nirvana popularized punk, post-punk, and indie rock. plus he always admired punk in his quotes http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:hifexqr5ld6e174.54.122.131 15 August 2010
• He was 100% punk rock in philosophy if not music. His motto was, at least at one point; "Punk rock is freedom" --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
• kurt cobain said himself that it was punk rock, the image of true punk rock has just been distorted so much that people think its grunge! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.187.60 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

> honestly his genre was considered grundge even though he didnt like to be labeled, grundge was best known for a sad kinda dark vibe filled with lyrics unknown to some eyes, he wasnt punk rock at all he just came from it and brought a new genre of music to the world - Gio Jacobs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.251.160 (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Influences

Kurt Cobain was hugely influenced by The Beatles especially John Lennon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jongudni (talk • contribs) 20:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain also played the drums. It may not say that on this page but it is a fact that he played the drums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.208.188 (talk) 07:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't the drums his prefered instrument originally (i.e. When he was a kid) before he had a guitar? I may be wrong I'm just asking; I'm sure I read that somewhere before --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

book Kurt Cobain by Christopher Sandford states that:

the book "Kurt Cobain" by Christopher Sandford states that Kurt was born at Grays Harbor Community hospital in Hoquiam Washington not Aberdeen. 108.1.241.94 (talk) 05:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)AJK

It also says that he was full blooded irish on his father's side108.1.241.94 (talk) 05:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

is noone going to take these into consideration at all? 108.1.241.94 (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

If one source says one thing and all the rest say another, we generally go with the "many" side. Tarc (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

From what little i've read of this book it shouldn't be considered a reliable source Jack Endino a producer of Nirvana's early work has called it "pure fiction". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.73.17 (talk) 03:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

the book is not fiction its biography and the author did all his own research and interviewed members of the cobain family —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.241.94 (talk) 06:02, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

fuck the beatles!! he was actually more influenced by punk rock bands in his time and the ones he would talk to like REM and The Melvins

Edit request from Jayeffnz, 13 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In the section titled 'Nirvana', a sentence in the second-last paragraph needs editing to correct a grammar issue. Sentence reads: He began to harbour resentments for people claiming to be fans of the band, yet refused to acknowledge, or misinterpreted, the band's social and political views. Correction should be: He began to harbour resentments for people claiming to be fans of the band yet refusing to acknowledge, or misinterpreting, the band's social and political views. or: He began to harbour resentments for people who claimed to be fans of the band yet refused to acknowledge, or misinterpreted, the band's social and political views.

Jayeffnz (talk) 01:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ancestry

Cobain isn't Scottish, Irish or German, it's ENGLISH Anglo-saxon originating from Kent, is it not cool enough to be mainly or English descent, its obvious Kurt was, millions of Americans with English ancestry deny it, btw im not being Anti-American (I love americans their our closets allies, along with the rest of the union countries), I'm prmoting Americans point of view of the possibility of being of English descent, and the ones that do they should respect it and not override it, peace...Davido488 (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The name comes from a combination of the Old Norse Kobbi meaning "large" and the Gaelic Bain meaning "a fair person" --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

No its an old English name for someone who lived in Cobham, surrey, kent thankyou, it's English not Scottish references http://cobainsurname.com/history/family_crest_name_history.html, http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=&s=cobain+.86.186.3.245 (talk) 00:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Category: People Who Attempted Suicide

I recently saw that the category "People Who Attempted Suicide" was removed from Kurt's categories. I believe it would make sense to keep it, considering he had attempted (without success) suicide in the past, such as in Rome with the pills and such. Does anyone agree? ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk) 02:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I saw that too and thought of the Rome incident, yea. The descriptino at the top of the cat does say "This category is for people (living or dead) who attempted suicide but did not succeed for whatever reasons. For those who succeeded, see Category:Suicides" so it seems it was meant as an either/or categorization. Tarc (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

People frequently remove categories for no valid reason. The Rome incident was a suicide attempt according to Love and Cross. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.71.19 (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)