Talk:Cesar Chavez

Biography?

I'm shocked that there is no biography for him in this article. Just goes straight to his activism, which seems a little strange. In fact, I checked the edit history to make sure some vandal simply hadn't deleted it. Is there some (good) reason why there is no biography on this page? RobertM525 (talk) 04:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

You're right, there definitely should be one. --N-k, 18:09, 26. November 2008 (UTC)

I am shocked that there is no reference to his accolades in Northern Ireland. The Catholics in the northern 6 counties idolize him for his efforts in protesting. There are several huge murals painted in his honor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.141.204 (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Text removed from an ealier version

“ == Early times == César Chávez (named after his grandfather) was born near Yuma, Arizona on March 31 1927 to an American family of Mexican and Basque descent. His early life was difficult: among other problems, the small adobe home where Chávez was born was swindled from his family by dishonest businessmen: Chávez's father Librado had agreed to clear the home in exchange for the deed to 40 acres of land, but the agreement was broken and the land was sold to a man named Justus Jackson. The elder Chávez went to a lawyer who advised him to borrow money to buy the land, but when he could not pay the interest on the loan, the lawyer bought the land and sold it back to the original owner.

Chávez did not like school as a youth. He remembered being punished with a ruler to his knuckles for speaking Spanish. Some schools were segregated, and he frequently encountered racist remarks. He and his brother Richard attended thirty-seven schools over the course of their lives.

Chávez felt that education had nothing to do with his farm worker/migrant way of life. In 1942, he graduated from the eighth grade. He could not attend high school because his father Librado had been in an accident and did not want his mother Juana to work in the fields. Instead, César became a farm worker.

Chávez was arrested in 1944 for violating a "whites only" segregation rule in a movie theater. He was soon released, and then joined the US Navy.

Chávez served in the Navy for a two-year enlistment during World War II aboard ship. His tour of duty included the campaigns to take Guam, Saipan, and Okinawa.

In 1948 Chávez married Helen Fabela. They honeymooned in California by visiting all the California Missions from Sonoma to San Diego. They settled in Delano and started their family. They had eight children, Fernando, Sylvia, Linda, Anna, Paul, Eloise, Elizabeth and Anthony.

Chávez went to San Jose where he met and was influenced by Father Donald McDonnell. They talked about farm workers and strikes. Chávez read about St. Francis, Gandhi and nonviolence. After Father McDonnell came another very influential person, Fred Ross, and Chávez became an organizer for Ross's organization, the Community Service Industrial Areas Foundation. His first task was voter registration.

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199.200.253.9 (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Vegan

I put Chávez in the category "American vegans" and took him out of "American vegetarians," because he was a vegan. --N-k, 17:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I found a video of Chavez discussing animal rights and "ending the exploitation of all beings." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeXVjpaNMpk&feature=player_embedded 64.81.247.165 (talk) 00:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Activism heading

I just added a section called "Activism" to the main body of the article and transferred the information about Chavez's activism from the introduction to this section. I wasn't sure what the section should be called, but I don't think Chavez's union activities should be in the introduction. At most, a one paragraph summary would be appropriate. --Yitzhak1995 (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC) I love Cesar Chavez —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.72.18 (talk) 02:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge from César Chávez Day

It doesn't seem like César Chávez Day will ever be more than a stub, and this article already has several mentions of the remembrance, so I think the content from César Chávez Day should be merged here. --beefyt (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Support Merge as per above. Peace, rkmlai (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Fuck this day! its bullshit. a legal national holiday for farm workers but yet everybody has school and work except government jobs. it makes no sense. it just another damn excuse for the stupid ass government to be even cheaper. this day in my opinion is as pointless as a donkeys ass...like ester

Hey, how did he die?

Undisclosed causes? Just wondering... MisplacedFate1313 (talk) 15:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

March 30

Except in some schools it ic=s clebrated as a holiday on March 30! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.3.212 (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

whoever typed the above statemnt is immature and needs to think before they act and and post you have no idea how cyberbullying can affect people in the long run. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.106.6 (talk) 03:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted it.--75.50.58.17 (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest another book that should be listed under the "Further Reading" section; Why David Sometimes Wins: Leadership, Organization, and Strategy in the California Farm Worker Movement 9780195162011. It's written by Marshall Ganz, a top field organizer for Cesar Chavez’s united Farm Workers Union and a lecturer during "Camp Obama"'s community organizing training sessions. In sum, it's an insider's account of the 1966 strike that made Cesar Chavez a national figure and gave migrant workers a better life. If you want a history of Cesar Chavez and strategic leadership, this is an important and fascinating book.

The book can be found here: [1].

I'm a new user and can't edit the page myself, so if anyone could add this book to the page I'd be very grateful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmeskime (talk • contribs) 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Holiday in eight states

I don't think there's a complete listing in the article MMetro (talk) 16:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC) Born March 31, 1927(1927-03-31) Yuma, Arizona, US Died April 23, 1993 (aged 66) San Luis, Arizona Occupation Farm worker, labor leader, and civil rights activist. Parents Librado Chávez (father) Juana Estrada Chávez (mother) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.182.93 (talk) 02:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC) I don't really see how the above comments apply to the status of Cesar Chavez day, however, the article does not mention that the day is also recognized in Nevada, although it is not a state holiday.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/may/19/governor-signs-bills-drunken-driving-cesar-chavez-/

i'm fairly sure it's not a holiday in texas, as i've lived here my whole life and never knew about a cesar chavez day until a few minutes ago when i read about it on this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.1.96 (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

There has never been a union leader in the United States who has received or deserve a special day of recognition; because by nature, they are thugs.

Chávez has been called a "civil rights activist" because he wasn't a civil rights leader, he was just a thug union leader.

Union leaders are not "civil rights leaders" and should never be thought of as great people like Marin Luther King, Jr.

Chávez was a union organizer who worked to separate people of Mexican decent from America. He had no desire to improve the lives of Americans of Mexican heritage. He only wanted to increase the multitude of subservient class to create Mexican-Americans.

If he wanted to improve the lives of "his people", he would have addressed "his people" in how to improve their lives through education instead of attacking American farmers insisting that "his people" were inferior to the rest.

The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 21:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation of Chávez should be added since it was non-standard.
Varlaam (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

History of Holiday

There needs to be more on the history of the holiday, i.e.:

SB 984 made March 31st a California state holiday, beginning 2000-03-31.

Also, there is a movement (and web site) designed to make it a federal holiday. 169.237.215.179 (talk) 03:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Chavez schools

This can't possibly be a comprehensive list of all the schools named after him. I know there's a high school here in Phoenix, AZ. Shouldn't it just say there are many schools named after him? 68.104.175.130 (talk) 03:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It's up to individual editors to annotate the article with that type info and then document it as citation from a reliable source. --Morenooso (talk) 03:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

In memory to Cesar Chavez he was a grate guy he mad alot of history. He made people happu :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.179.125 (talk) 17:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Brown Beret Membership

On the Brown Beret page, it says they were inspired by César Chávez. Did he really have any connection with the party if membership at all? Stuntman crow (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Need for edit.

Minor thing, but Chavez was not a farm worker as it says in the article. He was an organizer working on various issues for the CSO (Community Service Organization) before deciding to shift his focus to labor, specifically the plight of farm workers in the southwest. Though I admit this isn't the biggest deal, it is a potentially important distinction for individuals studying the labor movement who are looking to contrast leaders who emerge from the rank and file against professional activist labor leaders.

Need for edit

Need for edit.

Minor thing, but Chavez was not a farm worker as it says in the article. He was an organizer working on various issues for the CSO (Community Service Organization) before deciding to shift his focus to labor, specifically the plight of farm workers in the southwest. Though I admit this isn't the biggest deal, it is a potentially important distinction for individuals studying the labor movement who are looking to contrast leaders who emerge from the rank and file against professional activist labor leaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.207.216 (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation edit

I wanted to point out that I disagree with the IPA pronunciation of Chavez's name. It is showed with thetas (/th/ sounds) for the first sound of his first name and the last sound of his last name. This is how his name would be pronounced in Spain, but Chavez is from the United States and according to the pronunciation rules of Mexican Spanish his name would be pronounced with /s/ sounds instead of the /th/ sounds shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.182.44.252 (talk) 01:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Sí, se puede

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Sí, se puede does not mean "Yes, it is possible." As far as my education and Mexican friends say, Sí, se puede means "Yes, you can." Since it's semi-protected, I can't change it, I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codster925 (talk • contribs)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm sorry, but this amounts to original research and, under our verifiability policy, it's not allowed. Salvio ^{Let's talk 'bout it!} 17:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Your Mexican friends know what it means in general, my Spanish teachers who studied Medieval Latin and the origins of Spanish know what the structures mean and they agree with this article.
Blindman shady 04:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

A little bias?

Chavez was charismatic; a self-taught rhetorical genius he created commitment by inspiring well educated Latino idealists with undiscovered organizing potential and encouraged them to offer a liberating, self-abnegating devotion to the farmworkers' movement.
This seems to be a bit biased... -- 82.51.30.198 (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

how is it biased? It represents the consensus of the experts, who all report his charismatic inspirational impact on organizers and workers. Rjensen (talk) 20:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Well..."self-taught rhetorical genius" is a bit over the top, as is "self-abnegating devotion", especially without any support for either of those in the article (at least, not explicitly). It sounds like a fannish pop culture article. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 16:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Catholic identity

This article needs to discuss César Chávez's Catholic background, which was at the core of his identity. This article makes no mention of it which is a huge omission and a disservice to the reader. Frostandchill (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a great idea, you should start.
Blindman shady 04:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)