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Lost Pyramid of Puñay

Hey Doug. Sorry have been offline a whiles, so only now have picked up on your request to look into here. I've added what comments / findings I can to the discussions at Talk:Puñay. An interesting one; while there is perhaps a tale here (not the one in the article originally), it's not clear there'd be sufficient notability if the story is recast, as I feel it should be. Have suggested some options at the AfD also. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 16:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for taking an interest. I've been thinking about Aguirre's dissertation, and I can't see how it meets our criteria at WP:RS. It's not on the subject, and I'm not sure what level it's at but it isn't a PhD. Have you seen this [1] on him, or this [2] which says temple, but as all this is coming from officials (including Aguirre) whose job it is to promote tourism.... I use Chrome for stuff I need translated as it does it so easily. Dougweller (talk) 16:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries, & thanks. I had seen the second, but not the first, of those links. It looks like Aguirre's a younger fellow than I had thought; so (at age 22 in 2002) presumably not yet a graduate or teacher at ESPOCH when he makes the first claims re the pyramid.

I see the article's been kept now as 'no consensus'. The orig contributor Jake/Ecuadorecoadvice seems fine with the idea to change article focus to the place itself and qualify/put into proportion the pyramid claims, so hopefully something more solid can be worked out.

ps. Looks like Aguirre's presentation to the Ecuadoran arch. conference is included in the published proceedings (Memorias de los Encuentros Nacionales III de "Arqueología" y IV de "Antropología" "Nela Martínez Espinosa", 2007). I missed it before as was looking at the wrong vol., the proceedings were published in two parts. See this snippet from googlebooks [3]. From what I can see the info, even some of the wording, is along the same lines as the reporting in those Hoy articles. But its appearance in the proceedings doesn't say anything as to how it was received, or whether the claims check out or not, of course. It's still info from the same/only claimant, nothing corroborating as yet. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 14:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd expect almost anyone can present a paper at such a conference, it doesn't make him a reliable source. As I've said somewhere else, his thesis was almost certainly an undergraduate paper of some sort. I need to work on the article, any help is welcome! Dougweller (talk) 14:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Yup, agreed. I will do what I can when time permits, not going to be able to do anything extensive for a little while tho'. In the meantime I have made some suggestions of possible sources for further information, or archaeological opinion, at Talk:Puñay. Dunno if you've any other contacts who've some interest/experience in Andean archaeology? Cheers. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

You should watch this.

It's very clear that for some reason, there are forces working to keep the Bosnian pyramids from being espoused as genuine pyramids. There is sufficient evidence which is very detailed, but I see none of it on the page. I would like to edit it, but I know you would just cite me as uninformed, and undo everything I add. Therefor, I believe it only fair that both sides should be presented. One section labeled as evidence against (which to me is hear-say because no formal expedition of outside archeologists has summoned up the courage to swallow their pride and investigate), and one section labeled as evidence for (which, I was a skeptic until I watched footage of the excavation process, and the structural foundation of the "hill" does not resemble anything I have naturally seen). It is my conclusion that the research published on Wikipedia is biased against the observable, and replicable, facts indicated by his research. And yes, just you know, he has a Ph.D in history, 2 B.A.s, and one Master's degree. Please feel free to e-mail me (joshuatorelli@att.net), as I know from experience that editing an article comes with complications, and I would like to work with you in regards to the subject content of the discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.149.155.105 (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Mr. 72.149.155.105 stated “structural foundation of the "hill" does not resemble anything I have naturally seen.” I and many other geologists, with whom I have talked, have seen innumerable examples of naturally jointed bedrock that are identical to what called above the “structural foundation” of the Bosnian (pseudo)pyramids. The joint patterns seen at Visočica and other hills near Visoko, Bosnia and Herzegovina, are such typical examples of jointed bedrock, their natural origin is obvious even in pictures and videos. The hills near Visoko are just an example of many cases, i.e. the Yonaguni “pyramid” in the Ryukyus Islands of Japan; the “Phoenician fortress and furnace” reported from Oklahoma; and a “tiled floor” found in Oklahoma City, where people inexperienced in geology have confused naturally jointed bedrock with manmade stonework. Go look at [pavements et dallages] and [Geology of the Bosnian "pyramids"]

By the way, just because a person has a PhD fails to guarantee that the person is either an expert in everything that e or she writes about or is infallible in their opinions. For example, the Young earth creationist, Dr. Steve Austin has a PhD in geology and Dr. Gerardus D. Bouw a speaker at the [First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism] (Nov. 6, 2010, South Bend, Indiana) has a PhD in astronomy from Case Western Reserve University.(Paul H. (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC))

Chuck Missler

text moved to Talk:Chuck Missler. Dougweller (talk) 15:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

perhaps worth checking

From genetics articles on my watchlist I notice a User:Desertscorpio who has only made edits which revert one other user.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I've seem this also and am working on it. Dougweller (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Yale Debate vs. Yale Political Union

Hi Doug. I wondered if you'd mind weighing in on the Talk page of the Yale Debate Association. An editor is insisting that the Yale Debate team and the Yale Political Union are the same thing. Thanks much. MarmadukePercy (talk) 07:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:08, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Desertscorpio

Hello Dougweller. Thanks for your message. I have no idea whom this Desertscorpio might be. Probably some IP vandal I reverted and who came back with a grudge. His only goal seems to revert me, that's quite obvious, since some of the edits he reverted were only just clean up (such as this). Given that his 1st edit was in Spanish language I suspect he is an editor with some POV on that issue, namely the question of the Philippines being a Spanish speaking country. It might be that he is even a sock of Qidrusselle? This is just a though, not an accusation.

By the way, regarding the Cervantes source about the Philippines, long time ago I had several discussions at the Commons (about world maps of the Spanish language) were this question came up. I researched the stuff and my reply can be seen here.

Again, thanks for your concern. I'll try to keep an eye on this. The Ogre (talk) 12:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you think there might be a connection to Sillydwarf? The Ogre (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

And also to Hipalo? The Ogre (talk) 12:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

And maybe Earth owner? The Ogre (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

All blocked. Dougweller (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

BLP - RateMyProfessor Complaint

Thank you for moving my complaint re Barry Wellman to ANI. The unWP para (BLP, Outing, Research) by an IP user has already been deleted by Admin Black Kite, who also deleted the possibly-associated attempt by User:MultimediaGuru]] to delete the entire article under AFD. So, this issue may be moot -- for now. I have no way of knowing (without a chkuser) if these almost simultaneous moves were from the same users Bellagio99 (talk) 12:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Do you have some time?

To help clean up the Yogi Bhajan series? I tried working on the main article a few times, but the SPAs are relentless. I've sought the help of a few others but a couple tried and left, a couple looked and knew better. It was initially just two articles, Harbhajan Singh Yogi and 3HO that resembled a fansite, but now the problem is going across many articles (just see what links to the main ones), with a lot of these fringy thingies getting too much visibility on other articles, and sometimes articles of their own. If you have the time and interest to work on this set, I can give you some background info. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I think I have to say no. I really don't have any familiarity with the subject, and I'd find it difficult to clean up this set. I'll dabble a bit but I can't actually dedicate much time. If there's anything specific, let me do. I'm doing some editing now, eg the UN claim on 3HO which I've tried to source before. Are there any new articles? Dougweller (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I haven't any "off-wiki" familiarity/knowledge with/of this set either, (which is why I've been going around asking for help), I came across it when I sent one to AfD as there were some ludicrous claims like knighthood and stuff (that article is now in userspace). Since then I've just been trying to curtail the POV on these puff pieces. Some like Kundalini Yoga are becoming outlets to promote Kundalini Yoga as Taught by Yogi Bhajan, and there are numerous yoga teachers who've had articles created on them. There are a few SPAs who play in this space, and all except for two (who are very anti Yogi Bhajan) go around linking these two articles everywhere, so much so that "Kundalini Yoga is taught in many places across the world" was referenced to the list of 3HO classes! The main SPA, is also the author of Bhajan's biography and that is referred to in numerous articles (see some of the deleted contribs of Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa) cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There also seems to be stuff sourced to his taped lectures that seems like interpretation of what he said, rather than what he said. But this is indeed a mess. Why do we have KYastaughtby, which says 'also known as Kundalini Yoga? The first article says it's synonymous with the 2nd. Dougweller (talk) 18:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The SPAs are generally claiming that Bhajan revealed the secrets of KY to the world, so they think it's synonymous, I haven't touched that one yet (Gatoclass has been trying to clean up the POV in that area). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The spas are using KY? I think I went to one of those in Bangkok...PiCo (talk) 22:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yet another one

Hello Dougweller, sorry to disturb you, but there seems to be another one. It's user Rondovenezziano... The Ogre (talk) 09:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Dougweller (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Budija

Hello! I don't know where he gets that stuff from, but it is an example of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH if I ever saw one. I tried to read the House of Keglević but got a headache after a couple of paragraphs. I cannot make head or tails of it, as his English is atrocious and the text itself incoherent. I didn't check the citations, but if it is anything like here, it will be full of (deliberate?) misquotations and errors, interspersed with irrelevant passages. Either this is some kid trying to write a fantasy essay on his family, or a deliberate hoax. Given that he is active in the Croatian version too, I suspect the former. I'd definitively support reverting this crap to this version, preferably even deleting the article and then re-creating it from scratch. Constantine ✍ 17:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

He created the article. I've raised it at the fringe board, we'll see. But I think all his stuff is like that, so more action may be needed. Dougweller (talk) 18:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

You are right, it's too much. I'll change it. Budija