User talk:Hans Adler

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Mediation Case

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Thank you, Weaponbb7 (talk)

Wilhelm von Gottberg

Thank you very much for your help.Xx236 (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC

Erdinç Tekir

Hi, I opened a redirect discussion on Talk:Erdinç Tekir, and I used some of the article's material in Black Sea Hostage Crisis page. You can be interested. Kavas (talk) 02:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Hans Adler 11:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Ad hominem attacks are never the right answer

The only misunderstood sentence is the one attributed to her in the un-vetted public comments section of a third-party blog. Her professional, edited and published comments are crystal-clear. I strongly take issue with your baseless bad faith attack (Found Here) on my edits that I am somehow "not the only editor you've seen", followed by numerous slanders. If you have issue with an argument I've presented. Address the argument. If you find you cannot articulate a response and need to stoop to ad-hominem attacks, reconsider your position as your failure should be telling you something.99.141.241.60 (talk) 13:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I realize that I'm but a lowly IP, a 2nd class citizen whose existence is seemingly only allowed by the largess of "members". But I do not have, nor have I shown any indication of being anything less than a fully aware, passingly intelligent, reasonably articulate and neutral contributor. I simply resent the take no prisoners, scorched earth and refs be damned attitude of the Climate Cabal©. It is from there that my principled defense of the edit I've introduced into the article comes. That you an apparent non-member of said Cabal have been the focus of this is unfortunate.99.141.241.60 (talk) 13:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Addressing an argument never helps when an editor has a bad case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. The article talk page is a clear demonstration of the problem. By the way, are you or are you not identical with User:A Quest For Knowledge? I am asking because I have done about half the (considerable, since I tend to do a lot of fact-checking before going public with a serious accusation) work for a WP:SPI report. Hans Adler 13:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Your status as an IP is of no relevance to me except that it makes it much harder to get a full picture of your behaviour over longer periods of time. E.g. it took quite some work for me to find that you are under a topic ban for a somewhat related topic. At the beginning of the year a real-name account with a huge and diverse editing history caused a huge stir through almost exactly the same policy misinterpretation; obviously that wasn't better than when an IP does it. Hans Adler 13:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Bullshit. It appears my status as an IP is the only thing of relevance to you - as amply demonstrated by your witchhunt in which you seek to hang me - all you need to do is find a crime. Your admitted attempts to tie me with numerous disparate editors reeks of Bad Fucking Faith, I'm just the Ed. at the end of the Lynch line as you seek to round up a reason. Pathetic. I have no respect for people that go on witch hunts in search of a crime. Funny thing is - it happens all the time around here as an IP. I couldn't even begin to put a number on the named editors I've been accused of being. 30? 50? You have my "file", why don't you tell me?99.141.241.60 (talk) 13:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

So you even deny being the anonymous user who was discussed in WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive211#BLP, SPAs, a proposal? Interesting. Hans Adler 14:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I would still appreciate a clear yes or no. You have edited in a talk page discussion in which AQFK has also edited. Are you or are you not the same natural person? Thank you. Hans Adler 14:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Unbelievably pathetic. I made no such denial, I made no comment whatsoever Mr. Interrogator for the Realm. Or are you just Wikilawyering for a quick kill of someone who had the temerity to oppose you on a content issue? My purpose here is to contribute content to all manner of articles, not to deal in back-room emails and the politics and wikilawyering of removing opposing editors from the Encyclopedia. Unlike, apparently, you. 99.141.241.60 (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I take this as a "yes" for both questions. Thanks for confirming that I am not wasting my time with the SPI report. Hans Adler 14:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

What a poor display of intelligence and reading comprehension. I make no comment, using the actual English words, "I made no such denial, I made no comment whatsoever" while protesting about your witch hunt - and then you prove beyond all shadow of doubt your bias and guilty-in-search-of-a-crime modus operandi by stating unequivocally, "I take this as a "yes" for both questions." Seriously, do you really expect anyone to passively sit through such a Bad Faith inquisition? You embarrass yourself with such a transparent display, even here where such things are commonplace enough.99.141.241.60 (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I se niether yes or no, I see I refuse to answer. It might be best to calm the siutation if 60 you were to confirm or deny the acusation.Slatersteven (talk) 14:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

A refusal to answer is also an answer, and will be taken into account as such by the admins handling the SPI case. For instance, it's important for the question whether there was an intent to deceive. Hans Adler 14:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

If you believe this accusation then I would suggest you go ahead with it. 60 has (I think) made it clear he will not answer so if you believe this is 'evidence' I suggest you SPI it.Slatersteven (talk) 14:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a lot of work in this case because from what I have seen so far 99.*'s precise IP address changes every 1–20 days within a huge range. Normally I only go to SPI after doing due diligence. This includes determining behavioural patterns and the precise extent of the overlap in interests, but also some other, more technical evidence that is available to every user. In many cases I ultimately decide that I have managed to clear someone and so I don't file a report. In the present case the more technical evidence was inconclusive before and, interestingly, became weaker right after I confronted 99.* with my suspicion. This does not prove anything either way.

I am going to monitor the situation and collect more information. I am not going to mention the matter again until I decide to file an SPI report, which may or may not happen. Hans Adler 15:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

(Inserted comment) Seriously, What The Fuck are you talking about? "In the present case the more technical evidence was inconclusive before and, interestingly, became weaker right after I confronted 99.* with my suspicion." You "confronted" me less than two fucking hours(1) before you wrote this. What the Fuck has changed? Or is this more baseless McCarthyite accusations that seek to damn with innuendo and slander?99.141.241.60 (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that response appears genuinely puzzled. I don' think you faked your astonishment, and therefore it seems unlikely that you faked what I call the "technical evidence" (something that wouldn't be hard to do, so I don't want to talk about that). I no longer suspect that you are identical with AQFK. I still think it likely that you are the person behind WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/COI edit allegations, but there is no reason to pursue this further. Hans Adler 15:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It would I think calm the air if you were to withdraw what is no an unsubstatiated accusation.Slatersteven (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It is not an unsubstantiated accusation, I merely have relatively high standards and am using "inconclusive" in the same way that a checkuser does. In fact, I expect that if I go to SPI without further research, the result will be just that ("inconclusive"), and thus not clear the air. I am not withdrawing the accusation, but I wish that it be considered as "inactive", if that makes sense. Thank you. Hans Adler 15:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It makes sence but does not clear the air. It might also (and this is in no way an accusation, but I suspect otherss might make it that this is a kind of sword of Damolcese threat. Its not excatly conducive to a god editing atmosphere.Slatersteven (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Accusation withdrawn based on even newer behavioural evidence, see above. Hans Adler 15:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

btw - Have you followed long standing Wikipedia policy and informed all involved editors of the investigation you're conducting, the accusations that you've made and the formal exercise of institutional power you seek to invoke against them? Back-stabbing, malicious unfounded accusations and the non-notification exercise of harmful actions against a fellow Editor are not considered acceptable practices. Perhaps the fact that you've finished your inquisition and temporarily shelved your secret evidence releases you from notifying the accused parties?99.141.241.60 (talk) 15:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I asked you a yes or no question, and you blew everything out of proportion by refusing a clear answer. That doesn't turn my entirely private, off-wiki actions of collecting evidence to see whether or not it makes sense to use a certain process into something official that would require notification of other users as if I had already started that process. (Also, see my response above to your inserted comment.) Hans Adler 15:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I am aware (I would ask 60 to point me to policy if I am wrong) the only point at which all involved parties need to be informed is when an investigation becomes official, not when random accusations are flying about.Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Allopathic Medicine and Heroic Medicine

I have replied to your response on the discussion page of Allopathic Medicine. What I have written about is indeed Heroic Medicine and have tried to distinguish Evidence-based medicine from it. The common person does not distinguish between the two terms. The purpose of my endeavour is to differentiate the former as the precursor from which a lot of irrational practices have been radically dropped in order to formulate the newer and scientific successor - the scientific western medicine. I definitely welcome an open discussion on this. Diptanshu^Talk 03:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

You must have already watched that I had added to the discussion on the talk page for Allopathic Medicine. There is no compulsion for you to answer but I would be glad if you could help shape us reach a consensus. But could you please suggest people who might be willing to join the discussion.Diptanshu^Talk 17:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid there may not be much we can do if you want others to join the discussion. The page is on the watchlists of 62 editors and has been very contentious in the past. Since there has been a strong consensus to leave it as it is, I guess people have stopped looking at the discussions, assuming that it's simply going to stay as it is and any substantial changes will be reverted by someone else. In fact, I was also hoping that I don't have to spend more time on this. Hans Adler 08:51, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ireland

Hi Hans, I just wanted to say "thanks" for all the hard work you're putting in at Talk:Ireland. I'm doing similar stuff at WT:BISE so (a) I'm reluctant to get too involved at Talk:Ireland, and (b) I appreciate how difficult the work is ;-) However, if there is anything I can do to help, do please let me know. Thanks again, TFOWR 12:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Not that hard actually. The hardest part was getting started with this entire problem area when I tried to help moderate in the naming RfC for the country of Ireland and knew almost nothing. At the time I had to do a lot of research to understand the underlying facts and the various sensitivities involved. This may be paying dividends now. I am sure BISE is much harder work due to its immense scope and the fact that the parties see it as much more critical. I don't envy you for the meta discussions that you are having at the moment. Thanks for the hard work! Hans Adler 13:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been following that discussion, and I came to your talk to say what TFOWR has already said (minus the "if there is anything I can do to help"-part). Thanks for the efforts you have been making, I hope you want loose patience to soon. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Hans Adler 13:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

BadDay?

Though you don't have to, I wish you would (at my talkpage) elaborate on your opinon of my behaviour. The criticism 'might' proove helpful to me. GoodDay (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

!Vote

Apologies for rearranging your comments, I tried not to change meaning or anything. I was just trying to make the whole thing more accessible to everyone, as it turned into a vote. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It's not important. I guess I was slightly annoyed to see the "unsigned" template. It has this effect on me because it usually means that once again I forgot to sign... But I actually guessed the reason, and I didn't bother to look who did it and why. Hans Adler 17:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The only unsigned template I could see had nothing to do with me, as far as I can tell :/ Thanks for participating by the way, good to hear the voice of a relatively uninvolved editor in this British Isles business Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

My comments

I've replied to your comment at Talk:Ireland. Apologies if I stepped over a line in making my argument and offended your in your good work. --RA (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I will respond there. Hans Adler 20:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Hans Adler's Day!

User:Hans Adler has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Hans Adler's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Hans Adler! Peace, Rlevse 23:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

13 Sep for you. I was a few minutes early ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

*Blush* ??? Does this come with any obligations such as making five copies and distributing them to random editors, under pain of getting bad breath and losing my remaining hair if I don't comply? Hans Adler 00:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

My apologies

I apologise if I wasted your time on the date palm tree. I have now voted to deleted the image of the date palm in the DR you created on WikiCommons. Its a bit embarrasing since I should have noticed this but since the text was all in Persian Farsi, I could not be certain of anything. Some good contributors to Commons like to add watermarks to their images such as in this case but Elen's comments convinced me this was a copyright violation. I was actually trying to catalogue this object...which was when I decided to contact Doug. I am not very active on wikipedia today and I edit mostly on Commons. My health could not take all the edit warring on wikipedia sadly and I was unwell in late 2009 and in 2010 due to health issues like minor depression. (Nobody's perfect!)

BUT...if you like, here are 2 sets of images I got licensed freely from some contacts on flickr: [1] and [2] Those were in 2008 and 2009 when I was healthy. This is actually one of the images I like most since it is a valued image and I have told John about its promotion. He's Canadian like me and he agreed to change the flickr license for wikipedia's article on this pharaoh. Well I have to go now. With kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

You didn't waste my time, and it's easy to miss even something obvious when you are preoccupied or distracted by something else. Thanks for showing me your acquisitions, they look interesting. And above all, good luck with your health! Hans Adler 00:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you Mr. Adler for your kind comments. If you are interested, here are the other photos I sourced with John's kind help: [3] His photos of Tutankhamun's chest or Senusret's jewellry are almost irreplacable because they were taken before September 2005 when the Egyptians banned all photography in all their museums and in the Valley of the Kings. Sourcing pictures for Ancient Egypt is almost impossible now but its all the bad tourists fault: they disobeyed the rules and everyone suffers now. You can still visit Egypt and take photos of Egypt's major temples which are in the open...but its not the same experience. The only other choice is to persuade people to freely license pictures they took at foreign exhibitions like I did here of one in France. While the resolution is amazing, the angle is very sharp sadly...as some of my friends have told me. So I contacted a professional photographer who also had account on flickr and he agreed to upload a slightly better angled image here but at a lower resolution. It is a reasonable compromise (Mr. Weinstein) I was shocked though to see that he had a Commons account too but such is life. The world gets smaller every day. Thank you sir and goodbye, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

IHH or İHH?

As this is a Turkish name (İnsan Hak ve Hürriyetleri), Turkish letter İ should be used in the article title (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IHH_%28Turkish_NGO%29#Discussion). I thought as it was just a technical discussion, but the editors opposed this. They argue that the English media favors English letter I. However, English media also favors c instead of ć or g instead of ğ. I have found some articles that use Serbian, Crotian or Turkish names like Jelena Janković, Jelena Dokić, Ana Ivanović, Toni Kukoč, Ersan İlyasova and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Why does not this WP policy apply to İHH? Should WP articles always have English characters? Kavas (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

That's tricky. I think Western media often have the same problem that I have: I can write â, á, à, ä with no trouble at all, but if I type ć I get either c or ç, depending on the keyboard layout I am using. For ğ or i I wouldn't even know what to type, and I am sure that my keyboard layout can't do it. In fact, any commonly used character encoding other than Unicode doesn't even have these letters. German umlauts are more familiar to an English-speaking public and less problematic. Yet I regularly have to make corrections such as Godel->Gödel (the correct transliteration for people without umlauts would be Goedel), but at least nobody complains when I do it. Personally I think all diacritics should be used, even though it can be a bit of an effort and makes it harder for some people to search for the information (but probably easier for others). But we have no clear rules on this simply because no general agreement could be found what they should say. Hans Adler 08:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I thought you might like to know...

I thought you might like to know that I've just had to undo an edit to the NORAD Tracks Santa article. Somebody removed the words "pretends to" and I had to put them back. It's only September too! It looks like I'm going to spend a lot of this autumn and winter struggling to keep that article vaguely encyclopedic. I'll probably get labelled "Scrooge" in the process. Oh, well, that's probably the way it has to be.Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That's an absurd waste of time. We could ask for semiprotection. Hans Adler 06:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like an excellent idea to me. Somebody has already changed pretends to to the "more neutral" purports to. It looks like Christmas silliness has started already and, if things go on the same way, the article will become a work of fiction again. like it was eight months ago. Semiprotection seems like a sensible option for an article with a history of problem editing.Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 12:16, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I think we will have to wait a bit longer, though. I don't think the article will be protected before the edits actually become a real nuisance. Hans Adler 12:30, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

AfD on Razorclaw

Thanks for the cogent comment on the current AfD. It also explains why I can't find that darn article on the famous Vietnamese hand loom screw, the Phi Lyp Hed. (seriously, good comment). --Quartermaster (talk) 14:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanx

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		This is technically for people helping "new editors" but thank you for your recent assistance. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 01:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry for not replying – I tried to figure out the situation first, but it was a bit confusing. And then it was bedtime in Europe. Hans Adler 07:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Model theory

Hi, No worries, talk is talk and passes - unlike mathematics that lasts. And yes, I still do like model theory. I have been enslaved by the computer crowd for a few years now, but still like those fun days when I used to live in the land of mathematics. I also liked the calm world of model theorists and logicians and their idiosyncrasies - Hodges was in a class by himself there, not just because he kept taking his shoes off, but there were other stories - but we will let that be. And the math Wiki math project is probably calmer for that reason. I will look at the links you mentioned, and as time goes on may try to do something. A lot of my Wiki editing is however, spur of the moment fun edits, e.g. beta encoder which I thought was interesting because setting beta=golden did not work that well. But anyway, I look forward to interacting with you. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 13:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Deep issues

I think the problom is that the US has expressed a wish to use the deeps as nuclear dumps. As the articles Challenger Deep Mariana Trenchread it sounda like all nations have agred to not use them for this purpose when a nation that has specificaly expressed a desire to do so has not in fact ratified the treaties and as such has not accepted this ban. Thus the article mis-leads the reader about the treu situation. Now you have a point that perhaps this section has no value, but if it is in the articel it must present the readear with an accurate picture.Slatersteven (talk) 15:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

If the US have expressed such a wish they would become relevant to the article. Do you have a RS for that? Hans Adler 15:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure there is this [4] and I have seen some partial referances. So I have seen the claim but cannot really verify it that well.Slatersteven (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Logical strength

I made a page for Strength (mathematical logic) which was a buried definition with no reference. An interesting thing to show (and you may get a short paper out of that) is to apply that idea to things like Description logic - a hot (yet shallow) topic these days. But it would open the bridge between model theory and web-items. History2007 (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not familiar with description logic, so I confess I am not particularly motivated to learn about it. "Hot yet shallow" sounds like what I would have expected after reading the first two lines of that article.

By the way, like Encyclopedia Britannica most of the writers of encyclopedic content here actually prefer more substantial articles (such as description logic) to many short stubs with little potential for extension. I had to do a lot of tedious merging when I first came here: When you need to learn 10 notions to understand the basics of a field, and they are spread over 10 articles, each of which is written in a different style, different notations and different terminological conventions, then there is obviously something wrong. I think strength (mathematical logic) would fit well into an article abstract logic that would first define the basic notions of this (also quite shallow) field and then give an overview over what is being done there. While that article is unwritten, one could put the definition into mathematical logic#Formal logical systems.

Unfortunately, work on larger articles provides less instant gratification than quickly creating small stubs, which is the main reason why I also often start small articles like omega-categorical theory when there are plenty of bigger ones that need a lot of work. But as a rule of thumb, an article topic is really good if it would work as a book title. Hans Adler 20:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Shallow? Computer people can be shallow? Of course. Of course. Unfortunately much of the useful parts of computing remain shallow. In fairness Dana Scott's work did have depth but not much practical application. As for abstract logic, you are right and I think that page is absolutely needed. I will make a stub for it and expand it over time. Then strength may or may not merge into it. But as is Abstract Logic is about music! So I started the stub and please feel free to add to it. I also suggested on Talk:Abstract_Logic that the musical item should be called "album". Cheers. History2007 (talk) 08:25, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I also have a bit of experience with and in some fields of computer science, but apparently not much overlap with what you are interested in. I replied at the album talk page. Hans Adler 09:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement request concerning math articles

Hi Hans,

If you have time, could you take a look at this Arbitration request? It concerns behavior of an editor on a few math pages (regarding creating a few articles when AFD discussions were going on). What I find strange is that the articles themselves seem to be legitimate, so the whole escalation of the conflict seems a bit stupid to me.

The editor in question, Brews Ohare, will be away for a few weeks and probably not be editing Wikipedia. He is someone I know well and he asked me to look into a dispute with JohnBlackburne a few hours ago before the AE request was filed. He feared that JohnBlackburne would put the quadruple product article on AFD and refered me to Talk:Quadruple product. Count Iblis (talk) 01:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Homeopathy

I was under the impression that your opinion is that the tone and the statements of article do not reflect the way the topic is presented in the reliable sources. The main problem is that the article states that there is a single scientific consensus on homeopathy's efficacy, that is only a placebo therapy. From the sources I have produced it is obvious that this is false. Don't you think that the article should be presenting all the views as long they appear in reliable sources?Best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.178.146 (talk) 20:10, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It does so. But some views deserve more attention than others. E.g. systematic reviews of numerous studies deserve more attention than single studies, in the same way that a study deserves more attention than a single anecdote.

The way this topic is presented in reliable sources is only one aspect. The weight of scientific evidence is another, and I can see nothing wrong with the sentence you are trying to change. Hans Adler 20:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The interpretation of the available systematic reviews differs significantly among major scientific groups (( shang vs jonas and linde )which are cited extensively in the article). Is this true or false? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.178.146 (talk) 20:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not going to discuss this topic further on my talk page. The question you are raising is of more general interest, and this is exactly what article talk pages are for. Hans Adler 09:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Endocrine Disruption

Since you appear to be a rational, level-headed editor, I thought that, before relying upon Viriditas's representation of the situation here, you might want to read my response when he first posted it to the NPOV NB [5], where even admin Mastcell (who butts horns with me continually) agreed the revert was justified.

Viriditas could have easily fixed the prior version (which wasn't even due to me anyway), but he instantly went into battleground mode, demanding I "fix it immediately", or he would report me.

Regards. Fell Gleaming^talk 00:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)