Talk:Chinese civilization

China is the oldest civilization in the world and invented the first writing system

China has a continuous history of over 10,000 years and it is confirmed by archaeologists that around 8,000 years ago the first system of writing, the ancient Chinese system, was invented, several thousand years earlier than the cuneiform writing of the Babylonians and other Western civilisations in the Fertile Crescent of the Middle East. This is confirmed and published in peer reviewed archaeology scientific journals so please read the following source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6669569.stm

66.57.175.88 (talk) 03:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

WRONG - China is one of the world's oldest civilizations and is regarded as the oldest continuous civilization.

kindly substantiate this wild claim: China is one of the world's oldest civilizations and is regarded as the oldest continuous civilization.

it is, to put it politely, so much b.s.

substantiate, or remove

118.90.43.232 (talk) 10:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

As a non chinese I am amazed at the apparent jealously motiviating these remarks. China is the oldest living civilization. If one needs substantiation for this, one should get out of the history field.

China has the longest continuous history of any country in the world—3,500 years of written history. And even 3,500 years ago China’s civilization was old!

The above is from Historian.orgMacrhino (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

To 118.90.43.232 (talk),

You are wrong, China's history is indeed confirmed to be the oldest civilisation in the world with a continuous history going back at least 10,000 years ago to the first ancient Chinese city states. Around 8,000 ago the first system of writing, the ancient Chinese system was invented, please read the following sources:

1.) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6669569.stm

66.57.175.88 (talk) 03:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Keeping standard format

The article has disambiguation bullets that note:

• People's Republic of China The People's Republic of China (PRC), established in 1949, commonly known as China...
• Republic of China The Republic of China (ROC), commonly known as Taiwan...

May I suggest adding "established in 1912" for the ROC bullet to keep the two bullets in a common format?

China should be redirected to China

China should be redirected to China, not to PRCSlidersv (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

What? How do you redirect an article to itself?--Edward130603 (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

LOL, Edward is right, it is technically impossible. Da Vynci (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

To want location if PRC is not directly related?--12.40.50.1 (talk) 19:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

So much bull in this article

How can someone claim this?!:

"China is one of the world's oldest civilizations and is regarded as the oldest continuous civilization."

"For centuries, it possessed the most advanced society and economy in the world through successive dynasties"

For large periods of its history, China was no unified country and when it was it was often ruled by foreign dynasties and powers. But anyway, people should be aware that, as one economic historian had it, there are no quarterly adjusted economic numbers for the last two millennia. To act as if these numbers were facts is deeply unprofessional, and either naive or biased. Maddison says that figures before 1750 are guess work and the margin of error in calculating values such as GDP etc. in the late 19th was still 30%. So, in the light of this, what makes people here so cocksure that China was the leading economy for the last 2000 years?

That should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.226.72.14 (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

It is sad when people making insightful comments without any sources to substantiate them... The Sound and the Fury (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

What is even sadder is that the comments are incorrect. Here is a quote fro one of the world greatest historians, WIll Durant.: (vol 1 The Story of Civilization)

"This nation, after three thousand years of grandeur and decay, of repeated deaths and resurrections exhibits today all the physical and mental vitality that we find in its most creative periods.

There are no people in the world more vigorous or more intelligent. No other people so adaptable to circumstance, so resistant to disease, so resilient after disaster and suffering, so trained by history to calm endurance and patient recovery. Imagination cannot describe the possibilities of a civilization mingling the physical, labor and mental resources of such a people with the technological equipment of modern industry. Very probably such wealth will be produced in China as even American has never known and once again, as so often in the past, China will lead the world in luxury and the art of life.

No victory of arms or tyranny of alien finance can long suppress a nation so rich in resources and vitality…… Within a century China will have absorbed and civilised its conquerors and will have learnt all the techniques of … industry..

Roads and communications will give her unity, economy and thrift will give her funds and a strong government will give her order and peace. Every chaos is a transition. In the end disorder cures and balances itself with dictatorship. Old obstacles are roughly cleared away and fresh growth is freed. Revolution, like death and style, is the removal of rubbish, the surgery of the superfluous; it comes only when there are many things ready to die. China has died many times before and many times she has been reborn."

The unsigned somment above using words like cocksure belies an emotional quality unsuited to editing wikipedia. IT certainly does not rise to serious consideration. Macrhino (talk) 11:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

User:ProfessorJane

Starting this discussion about User:ProfessorJane. There are at least three POV about the Political status of the ROC, detailed on the political status of Taiwan page. User:ProfessorJane is pushing one of them. This user has also been blocked before as User talk:98.122.100.249, User talk:98.71.6.81, and User talk:74.243.218.94. Opinions on how to deal with this? T-1000 (talk) 23:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I've shows ProfessorJane evidence that the ROC's status is disputed by the DPP itself, here: [1], but this user does not listen and keeps blanking the page. T-1000 (talk) 23:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

While there are instances I certainly disagree with T-1000, the ProfessorJane user is not here on Wikipedia to engage in consensus building but merely to assert their POV. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

SchmuckyTheCat and T-1000 continually try to put pov-ridden information on this page. The page is clearly edited with a biased pov that makes the Republic of China look like it is a subservient territory of the People's Republic of China. This is a direct violation of official Wikipedia policy on Neutral Points of View specifically dictated in WP:NC-CHINA#Political NPOV which clearly states that the "Republic of China must be treated as a sovereign state equal to the People's Republic of China."

The T-1000 has an obvious history of deceptive pov pushing to anyone who would examine his edit history. My edits have all reflected the need to adhere to the official Wikipedia policy as stated above. ProfessorJane

Read Wikipedia's guidelines on Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Can you actually address the issue itself? the ROC's status is disputed by the Democratic Progressive Party's chairperson herself. Do you have a response to that? T-1000 (talk) 02:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh well, I missed this discussion and just posted a message on ProfessorJane's talk page. Yes I agree with T-1000, let's assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. Then perhaps we could try to actually improve this article (and it needs it) and stop edit warring. Laurent (talk) 06:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Mount Everest

Seems that you have mentioned Mount Everest is in China, I feel thats a wrong fact, it falls within the territories of Nepal

Sanjeev —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.21.31 (talk) 18:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

No, that's correct. A part of Mount Everest (which is really the article you want to dispute if you have really good reasons) falls within Tingri County in China. Quigley (talk) 18:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

why

why not show songthing of now-china? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.120.218.51 (talk) 05:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

This article is about the civilization. For the modern country commonly known as China, see the People's Republic of China, or if you're looking for it, the Republic of China. The article clearly shows the two states in its intro. --The Taerkasten (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Maxmich, 12 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change: a country of "yellow-colored" barbarians located to: a country located

the original text is extremely offensive to folks living in that region. Maxmich (talk) 03:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Materialscientist (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello - In the preview for this page from search engines, China is referred to as Chinkville. Please fix. DFS (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Only the search engine can fix that. They must have happened to have crawled the page while it was vandalized. It will be fixed the next time they crawl the page. --Cybercobra (talk) 03:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)