Talk:Nintendo 3DS/Archive 4

European Price

I've read in multiple places that the European prices for the 3DS are going to be set by retailers. If that is the case, I believe we should list it as such, as "Set by retailer" on the article and table. I see a user is going about listing the most common verified ones,and I think that's a bad idea I think it'll get to be ridiculous as far as every random person inserting a small variation from X random store. (For example, I can see people adding 250, 249.99, 247, 244, etc) Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Nintendo hasn't officially announced a price/price range? If this is the case, then I agree that the best solution would be to list is as "set by retailer". TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I also agree. Given that it's the only official line on this we have, and so we don't spend all day every day changing the price range. --Dorsal Axe 16:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Also in full agreement. :) Sepmix (talk) 16:39, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Well at lanuch we might be able to get an average price range from a reliable source which could be worth adding, also this page is getting to long, time for an archive I say. --sss333 (talk) 04:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps listing an average, then a price range? ("selling for Between X and Y, an average of Z"). HMV is currently highest with £229.99, while Game Gears is the winner with £194.99[1]. Also yes, this page is getting too long, and has a few repeated questions. JaffaCakeLover (talk) 13:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

No, that'd be WP:OR, and would lead us back to the problems I listed above, with people constantly changing it with some random store who's selling it for an insignificant fraction less (or more.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that "set by retailer" should be the phrase used, but also include a launch date price range. IF your looking for one, the head of NoUK Laurent Fischer has stated that nintendo have looked into the range of prices and see the range being £219.99 - £229.99. It could be worthwhile to include that. Weeman com (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Does "No UK" stand for "Nintendo UK"? If not, then I'm unfamiliar with it. But yes, if there's a reliable source that says it, it could be included. Sergecross73 msg me 17:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah NoUK is just my cheap ass gamers way of not having to type it all out in full. Around the world it is Nintendo of ....., so it would shorten to No... Sorry it wasnt Laurent but it was David Yarnton http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=147874 Weeman com (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS specs website

http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/hardware/specs 70.44.153.248 (talk) 20:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)Ethan

Edit request from Josephvb10, 21 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I want to change the picture of the console for another more visible to the user.

Josephvb10 (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have an image? BOVINEBOY2008 16:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The one available is already visible to the user. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 18:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Stylus

About 3.94 inches when fully extended. Source-[[2]]70.44.153.248 (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)Ethan

We got your specs site. It's just that with the flow of new info, it's hard to sort things out. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 17:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

3DS Final Design

You should put the final 3DS design on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.248 (talk) 17:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Again with this? Someone did upload a pic, but it was taken down because of copyright issues. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 17:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to. But to me, it doesn't make any sense to have the wrong design.70.44.153.248 (talk) 03:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)Ethan

Eight Generation

I see a short paragraph of this on the page for the original Nintendo DS. It classes this as a successor. Does this mean the start of the eighth generation of gaming? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.138.129 (talk) 16:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

To my understanding, it is definitely a successor to the DS, not just a revision like the DSi. However, these terms like "7th generation" and "8th generation" are derived by fans and are rather unofficial, and thus, unless said directly by Nintendo, is probably a label to be avoided. (for the wikipedia article.) Sergecross73 (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It is the "next generation" for the handheld, but the so called eighth generation should be designated for the console. Handhelds just get lumped in with whatever console they are sold alongside. The handheld didn't start until the second generation; it then skipped the third generation and didn't really take off until the fourth generation. So really if anyone is counting the 3DS should be starting the sixth generation for handhelds. The handheld got a late start, and now they are coming out more quickly than consoles are, so it is hard to say now where it belongs. We are not at the eighth generation for consoles yet, however it remains to be seen whether the 3DS will be sold more alongside the Wii or the Wii's successor. Aether7 (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

It is probabally best to wait for what reliable sources say. If sites such as IGN, GameSpot, 1UP etc start calling this an eighth generation system then it would be a good time for use to use the term. I don't necessarly believe that a console has to start a generation though since it could be possible that sources may call this the first 8th generation system. It's too soon to tell though--76.69.169.96 (talk) 05:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It's going to be entirely dependent on what Nintendo and the media refer to it as. I don't recall the DS ever being classed as a sixth gen system, back at launch. And now it is widely considered the first of the seventh gen systems, so it's not entirely unprecedented. I know previous generations are largely user-defined, but the last two were classified for the most part by both video game companies and related media. So it's a "wait and see" case here. --.:Alex:. 15:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I dispute that. Has any of the major console manufacturers ever used this terminology? And I would challenge you to find suitable references to "sixth generation" consoles that weren't written well after the fact. Dancter (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

EB Games used it when the PS3 released and they said "Welcome to the 7th generation" and it had pictures of the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360. We just have to wait until E3 to decide. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 07:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

EB Games does not produce consoles, or even software. It is not a particularly reliable source. The PS3 was released well after Wikipedia became popular. I would put money down that this will not be settled at E3. Dancter (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

We cannot truly completely know what the eight generation is gonna be like until maybe another year or so. Although, since Sony is about to make something similar, and microsoft has some plans of the future, it may just be by next year that we can add the subject of 'the eight generation'. On a personal note, I hope it doesn't copy the Wii too much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. High school student (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this, and just want to point out some oddities regarding the "standalone-ness" of the 3DS. In Template:Dedicated video game handheld consoles, the 3DS is put aside and the DS family is grouped together, which I think is appropriate. In Template:Nintendo hardware, it's separated, but the DS and DSi are separated. The 3DS also appears in Template:Nintendo DS, which is included in this article, and I don't think that's a good idea. Perhaps the former isn't very related to the 3DS, but at least the latter is; I think this ambiguity between templates should be cleaned up. ~FireyFly ^t_c 12:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it's been settled. No new Sony system= 7th generation, right? No competition. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 11:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Until Sony announces a surprise product.

I think it's less about if there's competition, and more about the fact that 8th generation is a rather unofficial term, and really hasn't been used by Nintendo or reliable sources, so it doesn't need to be in the article. Sergecross73 msg me 15:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The DS was sold before Wii, but it is more compatible with Wii than GameCube. The 3DS may be sold before the Wii's successor, but it might not be like the DS launch, the 3DS maybe will have backwards compability mode with the DS (and Wii) wireless multiplayer system. I'd bet that 3DS and DS maybe even share the wireless multiplayer system. Interesting. NeoDoubleGames 16:17, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

If it is not a eight generation, it is 7th generation? `a5b (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Read around some. As it's already been said numerous times on this page, "generations" is an unofficial term made by fans/wikipedians. It's best to stay away from the term, especially with handhelds it seems. Sergecross73 msg me 12:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Well regardless what generation it is, somebody has already readded it and I am not going to deal with this matter.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 00:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, the press has clearly labeled the 3DS as a "next generation of handheld" or a "next generation console" after the current consoles or after the nintendo DS/DSi. http://bigthink.com/ideas/26582 http://30ninjas.com/blog/the-nintendo-3ds-the-next-generation-of-handhelds http://www.torontosun.com/blogs/techblog/2011/01/21/16972486.html . Many sites (mostly non-RSs like Nintendo portal, iGog, VGChartz, etc, refer to the 3DS as 8th generation. I would think that the first set of sources is enough to include the eighth generation language that is present (in earlier generation) on almost every video game console article. One could argue that it is a case of WP:Synth, but I think it is merely WP:Calc.LedRush (talk) 13:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no real dispute of it being "next-gen", the dispute is whether to refer to it as "8th gen.", as it's an unofficial term. Considering that the "8th gen" wikipedia page has been deleted countless times and currently does not exist is proof enough to show that the term isn't currently warranted at least. Thanks for bringing this back from the archive though, it's probably good to have this visible...Sergecross73 msg me 21:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to keep this convo. Sorry. Anyway, if it's next-gen, and the next generation will probably be numbered 8... couldn't this be the first system of the eighth generation? Or is there a certain definition of "generation" that I'm missing here? TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 00:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it most likely will be the first of this "8th generation".

What's the benefit of knowing what generation it is anyway?70.44.153.248 (talk) 03:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)Ethan

Absolutely nothing. Although, it's a term/obsession of many of wikipedia contributors with video game articles for some reason... Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

What are considered to be the first consoles by reliable sources were succeeded by more powerful/efficient hardware. If we have sources that agree from the beginning that "A consoles were succeeded by B consoles," or "pong"-style consoles were replaced by microprocessor-based consoles then, for the sake of disambiguation on wiki, to call this leap a "generation." Assuming sources agree on this initial leap, the only thing left to do is to find sources that agree B consoles were succeeded by C consoles—they do not have to say "third generation" explicitly. I'm guessing that's how the "generation" naming convention started here and if that's true then this is the eighth generation. Hoping for a future source explicitly claiming "eighth generation" seems like false optimism and if one is found, is simply the result of the "Wikipedia --> source --> Wikipedia" effect. « ₣M₣ » 05:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you're probably right. The reason the "8th gen video game systems" article keeps on being deleted is because of WP:CRYSTAL issues; it doesn't exist yet because none of the systems have been released yet. If that article continues to not exist, it doesn't seem right to use it in this article. I assume once 3DS is released, the 8th gen article will be okay to exist, and this article will be tagged as such. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, the "optimism" situation you speak of, FMF, is the exact reason why I'm against the term: No one outside of wikipedia uses it. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Not adding to the debate, but in my opinion the console "generation" game and the handheld generations should be separate from each other. 3DS should be an indicator to a new generation due to its substantial upgrade in graphical ability, but the new generation should not be confirmed until a competitor releases a competing format.Weeman com (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Pictochat

Bill Trinen has commented that Pictochat as we know it is not in the 3DS as yet, and has more or less confirmed that it wont be in the system. Nintendo are instead looking into some kind of friends list messaging system. http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-may-have-some-online-messaging-functionality-about-100-people-allowed-on-friends-list Weeman com (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)