User talk:Antandrus

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A typical winter day in my home town.
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Louise Bertin

Thanks for fixing this up. I created a stub on her over four years ago. I didn't realise I hadn't put any sources for the article. Not sure how this was an "unsourced BLP" (per the AfD nom) though! Anyway, not to mind now. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I was just starting to root through some very dusty parts of my library for some hard-copy sources. Somewhere I have an anthology of women in music that has some musical excerpts and a bio. Fortunately you can get the whole of the François Joseph Fétis Biographie universelle des musiciens et bibliographie générale de la musique online now through Google Books; that has a bit on her (though someone will object that it's too old to be a secondary source). Cheers and happy new year! Antandrus (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, Antandrus! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 02:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the project. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments or suggestions. --Kumioko (talk) 02:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Turning Ten

On Saturday January 15, 2011, Wikipedia will turn 10 years and people all over the globe will be celebrating Wikipedia on that day. No event is currently planned for Orange County Wikipedians, so I am leaving a message with some of the currently involved editors listed in "Wikipedians in Orange County, California" and "Wikipedians in Southern California" to see if we might want to meet on that day, lunch, dinner, group photo or other ideas welcomed? I will start a "Turning Ten" discussion thread on my Talk page to see if any interest can be planned for and determined. I am located in Old Towne Orange off the circle.Tinkermen (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the help on my talk page. You must have had it cleaned up pretty quickly.. I never got a notice of a new message. Thanks again! Wikipelli ^Talk 17:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome -- another admin dropped him down the memory hole as I was working on my block message. All in a day's work... :) Antandrus (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mathis der Maler

Grüßen! Could you please check the correct name for the opening movement of the symphony? Is it Engelkonzert or Engelskonzert? Viele Danke! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 18:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Funny, I can visualize a score, but can't find it on my shelf -- either I'm making it up or someone borrowed it. My Wolfgang Sawallisch/Philadelphia Orchestra recording on EMI has singular, i.e. Engelkonzert. Google shows Engelkonzert over Engelskonzert by a bit, but not a blowout. It's interesting that Amazon lets you download my version here but misspells it. I'd go without the "s". (Talk page stalkers welcome to chime in!) Antandrus (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathis_der_Maler#Sinfonie also has it spelled without the 's'. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Now that I'm home and can look in my own score, it's definitely Engelkonzert. But in the wonderful Internet age, it will be next to impossible to expunge that rogue S... --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 02:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Antandrus, for fixing my userpage :-)

I did not even see it had been messed up until I saw you had fixed it. betsythedevine (talk) 04:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You're quite welcome! Was just idly looking at recent changes and spotted that. I left a "test1". Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 05:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Orthodoxbush

You know this white supremacist guy? He's been resurrecting 3-years old socks of late and his range is softblocked right now. What's the deal? - Alison ^❤ 04:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

You've got mail. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

As do you ;) - Alison ^❤ 05:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

And more-- :-p Antandrus (talk) 05:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

New Years Message for WikiProject United States

With the first of what I hope will be monthly newsletters I again want to welcome you to the project and hope that as we all work together through the year we can expand the project, create missing articles and generally improve the pedia thought mutual cooperation and support. Now that we have a project and a solid pool of willing members I wanted to strike while the iron is hot and solicite help in doing a few things that I believe is a good next step in solidifiing the project. I have outlined a few suggestions where you can help with on the projects talk page. This includes but is not limited too updating Portal:United States, assessing the remaining US related articles that haven't been assessed, eliminating the Unrefernced BLP's and others. If you have other suggestions or are interested in doing other things feel free. I just wanted to offer a few suggestions were additional help is needed. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, comments or suggestions or you can always post something on the projects talk page. --Kumioko (talk) 02:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Request

If you're up for it, I could use some help expanding a new article I just created - Hurrian song. Raul654 (talk) 06:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting! Do you have JSTOR by any chance? (I do not; I'm yet to find a way in for people like me no longer associated with a university -- incredibly, they don't even allow you to buy access, which I would cheerfully do.) If you do I'd like a copy of "The Babylonian Musical Notation and the Hurrian Melodic Texts," Music and Letters 75 [1993-94] 161-179. I see some information in the online New Grove, and I may have some more scattered around in my library; I'll have a look (not tonight though). Antandrus (talk) 07:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I do have access to Jstor. I've emailed the document you requested to your r...@yahoo.com email address. Raul654 (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Wow -- impressive work; I've never read about Assyrian music or musical notation before. Deciphering that has got to be nightmarishly difficult. I'll see if I can add something intelligible. Antandrus (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It hurts my eyes.

Is this a joke and or can it be played? Move down to "Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz" under Bass Driver. Bielle (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh man, where to begin ... it's a great joke and has been around for a while. Haven't seen this in a long time! "gradually become agitated" "have a nice day" "Moon walk"... "remove cattle from the stage" -- lol! There are pieces that are almost this hard to read that are intended to make sense; some of Brian Ferneyhough's music, for example. Makes my head hurt. I think one of the hardest gigs I ever did was one where I wasn't even playing -- I was a page-turner for a minimalist piece. Antandrus (talk) 03:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks like the results of an orgy involving Harry Partch, LaMonte Young and a player piano. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

From what I know of those three, the piano probably got the worst of it. Conlon Nancarrow may have been a participant as well ... one of his mensuration canons is at proportions square root of two, cube root of three ... Antandrus (talk) 03:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, Conlon Nancarrow -- couldn't think of the name. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

My art tends to be visual, rather than aural, so I rather liked some of the patterns. Once, in an earlier life, I was the editorial director of a textbook publishing house. We produced music texts for schools and some of the music was done by the art department. It didn't occur to us to ask if the artist assigned knew anything about music. (It is still hard for me to believe that anyone could get to the age of 20 and not know anything about its written form, but there was at least one . . .) The artist didn't like the balance on the page and randomly (to a musician's eye) turned tails, closed whole notes, added notes, moved bar lines, and generally made it all quite unplayable. It looked good, though. I wish I had saved it. Thanks for the information. Bielle (talk) 03:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I looked at a Ferneyhough score. It made me seasick. Bielle (talk) 03:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't there some early 20th c Russian composer who actually had markings for the musicians to play "with ecstatic horror" and such? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Possibly Alexander Scriabin? He was a nut. Love his music though. One of the great tragedies of music history was his spectacularly gifted son, who was already writing brilliant and complex music as a child but drowned in the Dneipr at the age of 11. Antandrus (talk) 04:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I think Boris means Nikolai Obukhov (no article on en.wikipedia!). "With ecstatic horror", along with "in the anguish of death", "with the dread of remorse", etc., are all instructions to a singer. Another one is "avec un parfum inconnu". Found in Larry Sitsky, Music of the Repressed Russian Avant-Garde, 1900-1929, (Issue 31 of Contributions to the Study of Music and Dance, Greenwood Publishing Group, 1994, ISBN 9780313267093) which also compares Obukhov's imaginative performance directions to those of Scriabin and Lourié. ---Sluzzelin talk 05:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh this is marvelous -- I didn't know this composer -- there's quite a good article in the online New Grove about him (spelled "Obouhow"). Apparently he marked large portions of the 2000-page score of his "Book of Life" in his own blood; his wife attempted to burn the damn thing. (Had a lovely dinner with Larry Sitsky once; he told good stories. Obukhov didn't come up, I don't think.) Antandrus (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Terrific! Can't wait to find out more about this guy. You should plagiarize employ these sources to come up with an en.wp entry. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 05:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I had forgotten about Scriabin's son. And, of course, Scriabin himself died very young as a consequence of a shaving cut which became infected. Funny to think of how the musical landscape could have been altered by a life jacket and a bottle of cephalexin... MastCell ^Talk 06:12, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Fortunately I haven't shaved since August 1982. No point in taking unnecessary risks. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 06:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Antandrus, you and I have something in common. I also once spent an evening in close quarters with Larry Sitsky. His wife Magda and my then wife were also at our table; not to mention the roomful of people at the Russian ball at which he was the guest of honour. This would have been in late 1984, because my ex was heavily pregnant with our child, who was born in February 85. I met him again briefly in 2001, but he obviously had no memory of me. Fame is so fleeting ...  :) -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 06:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Good thing he got out of China when he did -- did he tell you any stories of life during that turbulent time as Mao was coming to power? Oy! He was a marvelous conversationalist; long time ago, though, and I doubt he remembers me either ... :) Antandrus (talk) 06:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

As is typical at Russian balls, the guest of honour makes an after-dinner speech. He did indeed talk about life in China, his early days in Australia, etc, but the only specific thing I can remember now is him saying his given name was Lazar, and when he came to Oz, nobody here had ever heard such a name, so he was dubbed Larry and the name stuck. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 06:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Btw I think an article on Nicolai Obouhow (Obouhov, Obokhov, Obukhov) is doable. The article in Slonimsky is under Obouhov; I've found Sitsky's book (1994) and can grab it next time I get to the library. Can any of you folks read Russian? There's some good sources there, as well as several articles in French. Apparently in his "Book of Life" he put in the barlines in his own blood. Antandrus (talk) 00:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

User:JackofOz reads (and speaks) Russian. Bielle (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Increasingly less, and increasingly less well, on both scores. But yes, I am familiar with a few selected Russian words. That's what a university education can do for you.  :) -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 01:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Bielle for sharing that, I'd not seen it before. Made me hoot. I like the directions "use smooth side of the violin" and "this is actually unplayable" towards the end. Erik Satie's Gnossiennes, which is definitely real music, include directions "Postulez en vous-même", "Ne sortez pas", and "Munissez-vous de clairvoyance". Satie definitely had his tongue in his cheek, though. And Antandrus's mention of Ferneyhough reminds me that his Time and Motion Study II for solo cello and electronics, where I don't think Ferneyhough is joking, contains a separate stave for each cello string, and one for each foot. --RobertG ♬ talk 07:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

While both pages are by John Stump, they're from two unrelated pieces. The page on the right is from his string quartet, "composed" after he switched to Finale, sadly, which severely limited the types of engraving he was able to do. (On the other hand, all the notes there are theoretically playable). -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 05:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

"Many Voices"

Have you read Alex Ross's article "Many Voices" in the Jan. 10 New Yorker? (Here's a link to the abstract. I only have hard copy.) There are a half dozen new CDs I must have. (And if CA wanders by, I did get this edition after all.) Bielle (talk) 17:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I hadn't seen that before -- thank you for the link! I think they're right about the significance of the music -- well, obviously, since I spent so much time on Wikipedia writing about it -- but that view has not always been the predominant one. I have William Manchester's A World Lit Only By Fire, a readable and fascinating account of the time of Magellan, but which contains (in my opinion) the single most ignorant paragraph ever scribbled about music by a "major" historian. He clearly didn't get it at all, presenting an embarrassingly 19th-century view of old music as "primitive". Anyway -- I need some new CDs too now! Antandrus (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

If you would like the full list of reviewed CDs from the article, let me know and I will type it out here for you. P.S. Historians ought to be enjoined from making judgements in fields where they lack competence. (So should the rest of us, come to think of it.) Bielle (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Little Shop of Horrors (musical)

An editor threatens to resume his/her edit war at this page. See [1] and [2]. See this previous comment by, apparently, the same user under an IP: [3]. Can you give him/her a warning? If you read the talk page discussions here, you will see a pattern, I think.... Thanks for any assistance. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Looking at his contribs, both as "Taco Wiz" and as the multiple IPs (all obviously the same person, even though one geolocates to Reno, while most go to northern Maryland), this looks like an editor who doesn't quite get the concept of "collaborative project". I'll try leaving a polite note, but my optimism is limited on this one, as his instinctive reaction seems to be to insult people who try to talk to him reasonably. I also added LSOH to my watchlist -- I'll check back to see if anything has gotten out of hand. Antandrus (talk) 18:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I can vouch that there's at least one other distinct person who's agreeing with him - I'm from a forum the two of them frequent. 24.152.189.91 (talk) 02:27, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting -- there was one cluster of IP locations in northern Maryland-West Virginia, and another in Reno that tracerouted to San Francisco before hitting a firewall. OK. Antandrus (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

My mistake. It seems the person on other forum is most likely not one of the random IPs, as he's just stated that he finds the edit war to be pretty stupid. So I have absolutely no idea who the other random IPs are. 24.152.189.91 (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I hope that this editor has an epiphany and joins in the spirit of WP, but if not, I am very glad that you are watching the page. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Help with OP template

Hi Antandrus. Per this conversation at the OP [4] we need an admin to edit Template:WikiProject Opera to remove unwanted parameters. Here's what you neeed to do...

Under the line:

|MAIN_CAT = WikiProject Opera articles

Remove the following:

|attention={{{attention|}}}

|infobox={{{needs-infobox|}}}

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Done -- let me know if that's ok -- WP Opera is on my watchlist, but I haven't been following every thread ... (Actually haven't had a whole lot of time for Wikipedia in 2011 yet.) Antandrus (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

It's great, thanks so much. And a belated Happy New Year too! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 20:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Removal of spammed image

You might also take a look at 69.114.193.75 (talk · contribs) — I think it's the same guy, at least judging by the images he added to Ten Mile River (California) and Mendocino County, California. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes, thank you. I would have no problem with this if the person weren't in every picture -- someone went to a great deal of trouble to photograph every public location on the California coast -- but with the sock farm behind this, and the aggressive spamming on multiple Wikimedia projects, I think the good-faith assumptions of a lot of people have passed the breaking point. Antandrus (talk) 00:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :)

Thanks, Tofutwitch11 ^(TALK) 23:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Quite welcome! I always have to laugh when some anonymous person makes a throwaway account to tell one of us we "have no life". Alas they are always deaf to the irony. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)