Talk:Beyoncé

Requested move (July 2010)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move page at this time, per discussion below. This one is close, but there's not a strong enough consensus here to move the page. - GTBacchus^(talk) 17:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé — Obvious case of WP:COMMONNAME. Note that this requested move also applies to Beyoncé Knowles discography and any article ending with "(Beyoncé Knowles song)"; frankly, I'm too lazy to fill out the move-multi template for that many articles. I'm aware that a move request was made not too long ago in March, but I still have some points to make that I don't think were addressed.

Firstly, I think it's fair to say that Knowles is more well-known for her musical than dramatic endeavors; as far as I know, she only uses her legal name when acting. Musically, she is known by the mononym. Secondly, let's take a look at ghits (all numbers are by the millions). Compare 1.35 and 5.02 for "beyoncé knowles" and "beyonce knowles" (both without quotes), respectively, to "beyoncé" and "beyonce"'s respective 13.2 and 43.7.

A concern was raised at the last move request that Knowles is not the only person with the name Beyoncé. That being said, she is the only person well known by that singular name and wiki does not have any articles on others with the same forename. If any are created, dablinks can easily be added to the top of this article as Knowles would almost certainly be the primary topic. |Relisting billinghurst sDrewth 22:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC) |–Chase (talk) 08:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

And re:this comment from the last move req: "What's funny is that a guideline specifically uses Ms. Knowles as an example of when one should include WP:LASTNAME." LASTNAME is actually about subsequent uses of last names in an article, not what an article should be titled. Therefore, everything referring to Knowles after the first sentence would remain "Knowles". –Chase (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. My sense is that this still doesn't rise to the level of the ur-examples, Madonna and Cher. Powers ^T 15:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Could you explain why you think so? The ghits say a lot... –Chase (talk) 18:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Indeed they do; compare Beyonce's ratio to those for "Madonna Ciccone" and "Cherilyn Sarkisian". =) (The tricky part, of course, being that all three mononyms can refer to other things besides the artists, especially "Madonna".) Powers ^T 19:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
    • In the case of Cher, Cher (disambiguation) exists to avoid confusion and the Madonna article itself is disambiguated with "(entertainer)". Ms. Knowles is at this point, the only notable subject on wiki with the name Beyoncé (hence why that currently redirects here). –Chase (talk) 21:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
      • Additionally, Cher and Madonna have greater mononym to real name ratios because they almost always use their mononyms professionally. Knowles often uses her legal name when acting but the ghits still show that she is far more well-known simply as Beyoncé. –Chase (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
        • The fact that Knowles often uses her legal name is sufficient in my book to keep the article at its current title. Powers ^T 23:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
          • What she is occasionally known as is ruled out by what she is more well known as, per WP:COMMONNAME. –Chase (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
            • Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) says "Similarly, don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." I believe Beyonce still falls into that category. Powers ^T 12:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
      • I certainly don't dispute that this article is the primary topic for Beyonce. Powers ^T 23:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Beyonce was known as Beyonce Knowles for a long time, unlike Madonna and Cher. 76.66.192.55 (talk) 22:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Key word: was. We go with what she is more well-known as per WP:COMMONNAME and Google shows that Beyoncé alone is far more common. –Chase (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
  • No it's not a key word. She is known as BK for a long time is not proper English. 76.66.192.55 (talk) 02:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
    • What I mean is that she was well known as Beyoncé Knowles back in the Destiny's Child days and currently occasionally in her film roles. She is more well known as Beyoncé now. –Chase (talk) 04:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
      • 50 Cent goes by his birth name Curtis Jackson when he appears in movies, does that mean that we should move "50 Cent" to "Curtis Jackson"? Beyoncé is far more well-known under her mononym than she is under her full name. Her albums are officially released under her first name only, news articles mainly refer to her as just "Beyoncé" and not "Beyoncé Knowles". Even her official website refers to her by her first name only http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/home . 24.189.87.160 (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support As above, she is overwhelmingly known simply as Beyoncé. I wasn't even aware of her surname before reading this article. City of Destruction (The Celestial City) 00:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Beyoncé is also known as B. Knowles in her work on the films, credits of her songs, and some music videos. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• Songwriting credits should not be taken into consideration, since any songwriter with a stage name will be credited with their legal name. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
• May I ask which music videos? And as the IP above me said, most songwriters are generally credited with their legal names. –Chase (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The most recent is one, and I think that this is the only, at least in the screen. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support Beyoncé is the common name and she is the primary topic. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
• she is not overwealmingly known as beyoncé, she has however over the years been referred to simply as beyoncé increasingly but not enough to cut her last name out, either way its really not that big of a deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanetwork (talk • contribs) 18:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• Take a look at Google - she is far more well known just as Beyoncé than as Beyoncé Knowles. –Chase (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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The introduction...

The last paragraph before the article starts, the introduction portion, says Beyonce has sold more than 11.2 albums as a solo artist, however, she has sold MANY more than that...at least 20 million or so as a solo artist. However, all other sources other than this particular article, even Beyonce's albums articles add up a completely different number...Can that be fixed please/ mopre up-to-date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gelleb (talk • contribs) 02:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

And why just in USA? You need to put the information sales worldwide! Beyoncé is an international artist! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.116.113 (talk) 03:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I have not yet found a reliable source about Beyonce's worldwide sales. There are sources but they're her combined sales with Destiny's Child and not her sales as a solo artist. And some other sources claim she's sold more than 118/120 million but that's not true because her sales are around 60-70 million. See here Ozurbanmusic (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

It has now been mentioned that she's sold more than 75 million records worldwide. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Philanthropy: In this item it's of extreme importance that if speaks of Charity Concert 46664 - is a series of AIDS charity concerts played in honour of Nelson Mandela, were Beyoncé sing a duet with U2's Bono "World Prayer". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Beyonc%C3%A9_Knowles_concert_tours http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46664_(concerts) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.136.217 (talk) 01:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with Jay-Z

Beyoncé and Jay-Z: "Mega superstar singer Beyonce has reportedly let the word out that her husband, superstar musician and producer Jay-Z is the one and only to whom she lost her virginity. This revelation points to Beyonce’s disclosure that she’d only had two men in her life, a former boyfriend and her now husband Jay-Z. She goes on to detail that she’d had no real sexual experience although she did have a boyfriend or two when she was around 12 or 13 that lasted until she was 17. The 29-year-old “Dreamgirls” singer first dated Jay-Z around 2002 and kept their relationship under wraps until finally tying the knot in April of 2008 amongst such fanfare and media attention. The news that she had remained a virgin during her teens and adult life until finally getting married may be shocking to some but it’s the truth according to the singer. As attractive as she is – she had only one boyfriend before meeting the record mogul Jay-Z and they kept their integrity throughout their relationship until their relationship got serious. That is surprising for today’s standards but emphasizes the type of quality relationship the two have had and is an inspiration for other young people out there that it’s okay to keep themselves chaste until the right one comes along." http://www.mwza.com/beyonce-lost-virginity-to-jay-z/ http://kiss951.radio.com/2011/01/21/beyonce-talks-about-losing-her-virginity/ http://www.showbizspy.com/article/224697/beyonce-lost-her-virginity-to-jay-z-beyonce-hints-jay-z-is-the-first-man-she-had-sex-with.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.136.217 (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 178.119.212.132, 24 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Can I Please edit Beyoncé knowles

178.119.212.132 (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --- c y m r u . l a s s ^{(talk me, stalk me)} 06:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Clothing lines

House of Dereon Goes Global LF USA Acquires Beyond Productions:

"LF USA has acquired Beyond Productions LLC, the apparel and accessories company led by Beyoncé and Tina Knowles. Beyond Productions is a designer and licenser of women’s fashion apparel and accessories whose brands include House of Deréon, Deréon, Curvelicious and Miss Tina. In addition, LF USA has entered an endorsement agreement with Beyoncé for House of Deréon and Deréon. Terms of the long-term deal weren’t disclosed. Beyond Productions LLC was established in 2004 by the Knowleses, with Jason and Arthur Rabin and Cory Silverstein of Wear Me Apparel/Kids Headquarters, which is based in New York. Under the various monikers, Beyond Productions’ lines span ready-to-wear, casual sportswear, denim, outerwear, handbags, footwear and other accessories, which are distributed through department stores, mass merchants and specialty stores worldwide. In an interview Monday in New York with Beyoncé and Tina Knowles, Rick Darling, president of LF USA, and Bruce Rockowitz, president of Li & Fung (Trading) Ltd., they all spoke about their desire to expand the brands globally. “We’re at the point where we wanted to have more growth, and we needed someone who was global,” said Tina Knowles, creative director. “We’re very interested in taking the brand international, and L&F is the best at that.” She said the brand already has some distribution in Greece, Canada and China. Beyoncé told WWD she’s excited about the prospect of having more people wear the clothes and bringing the brands to a larger audience. “I just did a world tour, and I was able to see fans in the audience wearing Deréon in China and Egypt. To know that more people will have access to the brand is what we’ve worked so hard to do,” she said. She added that she’s very proud of Deréon, and has used the brand’s names in her songs’ lyrics. Darling explained that LF USA, which became acquainted with Beyond Productions through its 2009 acquisition of Kids Headquarters, is in the midst of expanding its portfolio of proprietary brands, “and this is a great addition.” “I think the brand hasn’t really been pushed the way that it could be. It’s done really well in a certain marketplace, and we think there’s a huge opportunity internationally that’s never been exploited,” said Darling. Rockowitz added that the acquisition will benefit from Li & Fung’s completion of its LF global network of LF USA, LF Asia and LF Europe. “Beyoncé is such a big name, and with her mother, the team is really strong and it has a global following,” he said. Darling added that he hopes LF USA will source as much of the product as they can themselves." http://live.drjays.com/index.php/2011/01/25/beyonces-company-bought-out-by-lf-usa/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.116.113 (talk) 00:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Influences and legacy

Katy Perry Credits Beyonce For Inspiration: “Teenage Dreams” singer Katy Perry is newly married to British comic star Ruseell Brand. But the “Firework” singer insists she won’t focus solely on love songs. “There is an obvious element in me that wants to entertain people and make their faces light up,” she is quoted as saying. “So I won’t only be singing songs about being a married woman.” “I always say a good example of that is Beyoncé. She sang Single Ladies but everyone knows she’s with Jay-Z,” she added. Beyonce as a married woman dominated the charts with “Single Ladies” and provide inspiration for many women, so it’s safe to say Katy Perry is following good company.

http://ultimatebeyonce.com/wp2/2011/01/28/katy-perry-credits-beyonce-for-inspiration/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.167.43 (talk) 22:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Could you find a reliable source for this? Fansites are not reliable. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes! Here: http://dimewars.com/Blog/Katy-Perry-Credits-Beyonce-For-Inspiration.aspx?BlogID=0b0f60e8-b2de-4ed2-8e5b-dda83d419cdd http://foreign.peacefmonline.com/entertainment/201101/130258.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.167.43 (talk) 17:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

More news about influences ans legacy: Legacy: Beyoncé number 1 at BillBoard list - Top 25 Singers of 2000-2010! Billboard listed Knowles as the artist of the decade!! http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111105 http://everythingintime.com/nd/general/billboards-top-25-singers-from-2000-2010/

PLEASE PUT THIS 2 INFORMATIONS: "Katy Perry Credits Beyonce For Inspiration" AND "Billboard listed Knowles as the artist of the decade". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.232.16 (talk) 18:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, Katy Perry didn't actually say Beyonce is an inspiration. She used Beyonce as an example of what she was talking about. And please find a more reliable source about Billboard listing Beyone as the artist of decade. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I think Beyonce should be added to the "African American Female Singers" list on Wikipedia

I think that Beyonce should be added to the following category:

Public image

Beyoncé is number 25 at list of the 50 Most Beautiful Women In Film by Los Angeles Times Magazine! (Beyoncé made something of a surprise appearance on the list as #25, largely thanks to her work in 2006's "Dreamgirls"; the singer/actress was recently cast in Clint Eastwood's "A Star Is Born" remake. http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2011/02/50-most-beautiful-women-in-film.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.250.161 (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done Ozurbanmusic (talk) 05:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Beyoncé, who has made the list NINE TIMES and ranked #1 in 2007, was named AskMen.com's Woman of the DECADE! http://uk.askmen.com/celebs/women/singer_150/197_beyonce.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.250.199 (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Beyoncé on the cover of L’Officiel Magazine (March 2011) paying tribute to the legendary Fela Kuti, transforming into an African Queen - The new direction of her new album (Fela inspired her in this fourth studio album): The Fashion magazine is about to celebrate its 90th birthday. To celebrathe this anniversary, the festivities start with the March issue, with Beyoncé on the cover. She agreed to pose for an incredible fashion shoot, with the theme of African Queen, paying a tribute to the legendary Fela Kuti. Far from the glamourous Sasha Fierce, the beauty posed for the magazine with amazing fashion designers clothes, but also in a dress created by her mother. A return to her African roots, as you can see on the picture, on which her face was voluntarily darkened. http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f78/lofficiel-paris-march-2011-beyonce-126405.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwvZ8OTAsMg&feature=player_embedded —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.187.160 (talk) 23:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC) http://beyonceindonesia.tumblr.com/post/3381951689/beyonce-covers-lofficiel-magazine-march-2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.187.160 (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

2004–2007: Destiny's Child reunion, films, and B'Day

In this B'Day item, I think you need to talk about the creation of her all-female "Suga Mama" Band (composed by thirteen women)! In this article we don´t see anything about this and the creation of her female band was in this date! Originally created for her 2007 tour, The Beyoncé Experience and her 2006 studio album B'Day. Suga Mama also worked with Beyoncé during her appearances to promote her third album I Am... Sasha Fierce and are alongside her on her 2009 I Am... World Tour and on her special show in LA I Am... Yours to support the album. (I´m sorry, but this is too important for we only see this in her associated acts. This is all about - woman empowerment!)

Read the 'Stage and alter ego' section. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 01:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. Who got the idea of deleting it. Many Beyonce-related articles are getting deleted these days. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Libya

IT is being widely reported that Beyonce performed at a private party for Gaddafi's son for $1 million. This should be included in the article <BLP issue> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.76.97.242 (talk) 04:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must not be included. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 04:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

From the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/05/hannibal-gaddafi-pays-bey_n_411602.html