Talk:Super Mario Bros.

Release date, part IV

This horse has been hanged, drawn and quartered by now, but nevertheless I came across this article by David Dayton of TMK, in which he settles on 31 October 1985 as the "most likely" release date. He references the copyright office and most of the articles and newspaper clippings that we've already been through, but he also sent an e-mail to Gail Tilden, who, according to Dayton, was head of marketing at the NES's New York launch, and who seems to confirm that SMB was available at some point during the launch, even if it wasn't on 18 October. Did anyone else see this? Perhaps this debate can be finally put to rest? Xenon54 (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a good article and repeats much of what we already uncovered here. The problem is it's still a guess. He's assuming that's when it was first sold (i.e. released) because of the copyright filing, when what the copyright database states is when it was first made available for public consumption. This can be off-press date, your shipping date, or your publication date (i.e. available for purchase). We have no way of knowing which was intended and normally in video games you want to get the copyright done as early in the process as possible. So I'm inclined to believe Oct. 31st is the off-press date (same with the slightly earlier date for the box). Additionally it's still just the date given for the manual and not the entire product. As shown by the earlier box publication date and the discussion about the chip manufacturing, it simply shows a timeline of when the reources for the finished product were being produced. Not their assembly (as a single finished product), not their shipping and distribution, and not the selling of the finished product. Regardless, we're still left with the only form of evidence that doesn't require any sort of interpretation being the Macy's launch as we discussed previously. I'd be comfortable with changing the release date to that Macy's date as we previously discussed, but not the Oct. 31st because of the reasons I stated. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

pc version

i have played it myself so i know that it exists. could anybody find a source to confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.86.142 (talk) 07:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

No PC version exists. ROMs played on PC emulators don't count. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 13:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Mario Story

There isn't anything in the article regarding the story behind Mario/Luigi and how they got from Brooklyn to the Mushroom Kingdom. My knowledge isn't encyclopedic, but I would have thought that such a pivotal idea would at least be included, as well as how it was then contradicted in the opening story of Yoshi's Island. And yes, there's nothing in the Yoshi's Island entry which covers the disparity in the two stories either. As Baby Mario/Luigi have become (essentially) characters in their own right (as used in the Mario Kart games Double Dash and Mario Kart Wii) I think that something to tie up, or at least try to explain the thinking behind the change would be useful. It all depends on whether such information exists, but the bottom line is that the Mario story is one of the most important in the history of gaming, to just go from 'development' to 'gameplay' and omit the backstory puts a big hole in the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.248.49 (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. = Japanese inside sex joke?

"Ana no kyuodai" in Japanese slang means "hole brothers", two (or more) men who have had sex with the same woman. I wonder if Super Mario brothers have been a big inside joke all of this time: *plumbers* going down pipes, both rescuing the same princess. Maybe Japanese think "Ana no" sounds like Mario.. Kyuodai like Luigi. 216.227.117.35 (talk) 01:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

If you can find independent, reliable sources making the same points, they possibly could be added. But this sounds like one person's interpretation, and thus original thought, which is not acceptable. --McDoobAU93 02:26, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

PEGI Rating

Was just changed from 7+ to 3+, so I decided to do some research.

As seen from the PEGI Website:

• The GBA NES Classicis rated 3+;
• A Nintendo 3DS release is rated 3+, it is unclear whether this is a Virtual Console version or the one given as part of the Ambassador Program;
• The Wii Virtual Console release is rated 7+.

It is not immediately clear what was the original NES release's rating (or if there was any). Salvidrim (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Top-Selling Game

I don´t think that the article should state that Wii sports has surpassed Mario in terms of sold copies. This is a highly discussed topic and there is no official data to clear it out. It is a matter of definition. I, personally, think it makes no sense whatsoever calling a 100% bundled game that has never even been sold alone outside of Japan the most-sold game of all time. And if we did, I´m pretty sure that the "best-selling game of all time" would be Solitaire. If Wii sports has to be mentioned, this whole argument should be mentioned, preferably in an own section. --77.10.93.159 (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

A side note -- I've bought Wii Sports as a standalone title in North America. Salvidrim! 23:03, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

It was indeed available for a time, but the stand-alone-purchases don´t come any close to Super Mario´s sales. Valid argument is valid. --77.10.106.190 (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

"No official data"? Nintendo of Japan President Satoru Iwata said so himself that Wii Sports outsold Mario. Most copies of Super Mario were sold bundled with the NES, so it's no different with Wii Sports being bundled with the Wii. I don't see what's wrong with stating this fact in the article. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no official Data that compares the stand-alone sells of Mario to those of Wii Sports. But it is obvious who would be the winner. Even though there were NES/Mario bundles, the cartridge was also sold seperately and everywhere. I think it´s all about definitions, whether the total sales with bundles count, or only the stand-alone sales, and if it has to be sold seperately from the beginning and if Minesweeper and Solitaire count as a video game. Well, for me, they do. --77.10.113.201 (talk) 19:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Any attempt to compare unbundled sales without any evidence would be a violation of [[WP:OR] and therefore not permissible. Since reliable sources as well as the company's president have said that Wii Sports has outsold this game we need to include that here unless there are reliable sources challenging the claim and so far that has yet to happen.--70.24.215.154 (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)