Talk:Racism in China

Luo Jing

Removed this sensationalist claptrap. If Luo Jing must be added to this article, every single person ever smeared by white racists on the internet must be added to racism in x european country articles. Racist portrayals of Barack Obama should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huaxia (talk • contribs) 22:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced Claim

There are no sources that can support the claim that China had a lot of "African" slaves. I removed it until someone can bring up facts, and no simply try to pad the blood on European hands onto the Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.66.77 (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Reverse Racism

No doubt that there are racism in China, but it is a lesser issue than an economic, or regional discrimination. Heck, people from Shanghai would discriminate anyone who is not from Shanghai, likewise in Beijing. Westerners usually cannot perceive this because of their race, since there is a reverse racism against Chinese (i.e. prior 1990s since Opium war, there was reverse racism among some Chinese who regard Chinese civilization as inferior. Fortunately, such view has since been reversed).

The fundamental problem for racism, particularly in case of Tibet, is oftentimes a political issue to contain and smear the PRC government. For this reason, I put the reverse racism section here to point out the efforts by the PRC government to improve the educations and economic growth in ethnic regions. Of course, there are people who like the old ways (btw, Tibet prior 1950 was a slavery society, and suddenly Dalai Lama started to talk about democracy being an exile) and refuse to be modernized. Then again, the government would be criticized for increasing the economic gap between ethnic minorities and Han Chinese (which is really not a race, but a collection of people from diverse origins and races). It seems no matter what PRC government tries to do, it is criticized.

Tibetan exiles, for example, criticized the PRC government for building rail roads in Tibet, without mentioning that only transportations could possibly bring much need aids (the PRC government spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year to Tibet) such as food and medicine, and without mentioning the fact that due to the high percentage of Tibetan monks (which are paid wages by PRC government), the region cannot be self-sustained without aids. Coconut99 99 (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed the section about reverse-racism because this article is about racism and not about affirmative action. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and not the place to talk about those ungrateful Tibetans who refuse to acknowledge the generosity of the PR China government. Novidmarana (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No, reverse racism talked about here is that non-ethnics get treated as secondary class citizens in the local autonomous region, which is also a form a racism. Also, affirmative actions is very much related to racism. Coconut99 99 (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

This article is about racism and not concepts that are only related to racism. Your claim that non-ethnics are treated as secondary class citizens, and that this is also a form of racism is your POV and hence should not be included as long as there are no reliable sources for this claim. And lastly, to be frank, the section as it stands is bull. Maybe this is the view of the Chinese government that everything is hunky dory, but then it should be made clear that it is just their view. Novidmarana (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

You should check the references first, the view that the PRC government causes reverse racism isn't coming from the PRC government, but critics of the PRC government racial policy. It is your POV that removes this section. Coconut99 99 (talk) 03:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you cite the source where the view is by critics of the governments racial policy. If not I assume that it is YOUR POV. Oiboy77 (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Tibet

The section introduced on Tibet has nothing to do with racism. It is about human rights abuses and was removed from another article without consensus. Human rights abuses are not appropriate here, unless text and sources can be provided to show discrimination based on race. I don't see that with what Skyfiler introduced, though if someone wants to come up with something different it would be interesting to see. John Smith's (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Gweilo

I have reverted the change that said it is no longer derogatory. That's very much a subjective thing, and I would say that it is still an insult. If editors are of the opinion that it is not seen to be offensive then I think we would need much more discussion here backed up by some detailed sources. Also it can still be used offensively, even if some foreigners don't mind it. John Smith's (talk) 12:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop adding citation needed

User:DerechoReguerraz, please stop adding meaningless templates again, and please be informed that there are many millions of Chinese that speak only Cantonese, or Hokkian. And among Cantonese and Hokkian people, "Bun Tong Fan" and "Bua Chai" are common words used every day, there is no need citation. Arilang ^talk 09:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Lao Wai

is not derogatory at all. Chinese call themselves "Lao Zhong", foreigners "Lao Wai". I will delete it.35.10.127.153 (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

鬼 Gwei/Gui != Devil

This article perpetuating the myth that the Gwei鬼 in Gweilo鬼佬, 洋鬼子, 红毛鬼, and 油炸鬼 means Devil. I think the article on the Cantonese term Gweilo nicely established that the character actually translates better to ghost, and refers to skin colour rather than a horrible devil type character. I don't like the term, but I think it is important to be clear to understand cultural differences. I think we need some clarification. --SnakeSeries (talk) 13:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: already moved by Revenge of the Cybermen (talk · contribs) on August 24 Airplaneman ✈ 14:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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Racism in the People's Republic of China → Ethnic issues in the People's Republic of China — Following the precedent of Ethnic issues in Japan. This article is mostly about interaction between ethnics; not races, as Tibetans, Koreans, etc. are the same "race" as other Chinese. Furthermore, it discusses the interaction between ethnics in minority-led Dynasties, Chinese admiration of foreigners, and minority resentment against Chinese, which is broader than racism. That the UN Convention against Racism makes no distinction between "race" and "ethnicity" is a legalism; using the treaty's definition here is synthesis, because the article's own sources make the distinction between race and ethnicity. Quigley (talk) 16:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support As per Quigley's comments - the new title appears more accurate than the old. Solid State Survivor (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Support As per the above.Wikiscient (talk) 23:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Other racism

Quote: A Hui soldier of the 36th division called Sven Hedin a "foreign devil", which is a now antiquated derogatory Chinese term used to describe any foreigner.

Why is the remark of a random individual even included in this section? Would it be a justified method to cite personal attacks (or more specifically, one single instance of the use of racial slurs) to prove the existence of racism in other countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.60.214 (talk) 13:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

When you're grasping at straws you put in as much as you can. Fact is and remains China doesn't have even a fraction of a fraction of the racism anywhere else. In fact there's a saying in China that where other people fight outsiders tooth and claw, China allows them to beat it down. 9901bottles (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Are these really major ethnic conflicts in China?

In the section Major ethnic conflicts in China, Opium Wars, Boxer Rebellion, Second Sino-Japanese War are listed as major ethnic conflicts. I don't see how that can be true. Opium Wars and Sino-Japanese war were conflict between nations, and not ethnic conflicts as such. The ethnic part only arise because they are of different nations, if we were to list all such conflicts, then you would have to list all the wars that China had with all foreign nations in Chinese history (including all the wars between China and groups like Xiongnu, as well as nations that were considered foreign or barbarian but had since become absorbed into China), which is a lot. I would interpret "ethnic conflict" as conflict between different ethnic groups within China, a better example would be the Wei–Jie war (where Ran Min ordered the extermination of the Jie people) which it is a clearer example of conflict between ethnic groups within China. I can understand that significant anti-Japanese sentiment was roused by the Sino-Japanese War, but you can say the same thing about Xiongnu and other invaders in Chinese history. Hzh (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Ethnic issues in the People's Republic of China → Ethnic issues in China – The article contents are not limited to modern China (i.e. the PRC), but also cover Ancient China, imperial times (e.g. the Qing Dynasty) and so forth. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

• Support Gasp. Could we actually have a noncontroversial China article rename here? --BDD (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
  • This one should be relatively uncontroversial, since no article exists at Ethnic issues in the Republic of China, meaning that no dab needs to exist at Ethnic issues in China (currently a redirect is in the way). Furthermore, even ROC topics are covered in this article (such as ROC General Ma Bufang massacring Kazakhs), it makes sense to make the move in that regard since the PRC era does not make up of a majority of the article contents. The Two Chinas issue is irrelevant here, because this is a more generic topic, similar to Cuisine of China or Religion in China, and not similar to more politics/government-related articles, which is where the controversy and disagreement actually lies. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 01:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
• Support the title change, which should be relatively uncontroversial (although the contents of the article might well be rather controversial) since the topic is not about a specific political entity or its symbols, emblems or flag. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 01:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
• Support. The country article is at China, so the title for this article should correspond. Kauffner (talk) 07:52, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Systemic bias?

Muslims are but a small minority in China. Why does every paragraph on the article mention them? Jesus, this is becoming an obsession on Wikipedia. 187.24.214.136 (talk) 02:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)