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Hi Gonobo, I am teaching Writing 101 at the University of Montana-Western in Dillon, MT. My students and I are working on a Wikipedia project. Their assignment is to choose a stub to "complete" - they have to write 750-1000 words, with 3-4 sources included, and then try to get it published on Wikipedia. I am in over my head on this one! I was wondering if you are available to mentor? Thanks, Lisa Bullard

P.S. The school here runs on a block schedule - so classes meet 3 hours per day, 5 days per week, meaning it is fairly intensive. The students assignment is due this coming Tuesday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.131.146.137 (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gonobo, I am teaching Writing 101 at the University of Montana-Western in Dillon, MT. My students and I are working on a Wikipedia project. Their assignment is to choose a stub to "complete" - they have to write 750-1000 words, with 3-4 sources included, and then try to get it published on Wikipedia. I am in over my head on this one! I was wondering if you are available to mentor? Thanks, Lisa Bullard

P.S. The school here runs on a block schedule - so classes meet 3 hours per day, 5 days per week, meaning it is fairly intensive. The students assignment is due this coming Tuesday.

P.P.S. - Sorry to duplicate the message (total newbie here!) but I forgot to click "Watch this page" and also I created a user account. Thanks again!

LMB333 (talk) 16:47, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi LMB333. I'd be happy to try and help. If you have a lesson plan or materials that you have given the students, seeing that might help me understand where you are at and how I can help. It might be on the late side to set up a course page for you, but it would be good to have a central page from which to coordinate. If you haven't read it, the instructor orientation outlines a typical schedule for a class project. If the students haven't yet selected articles that they plan on expanding, I would suggest having them select from Category:Stub-Class Montana articles or one of the subcategories that interest them in Category:Stub-Class articles. I'd advise against having them edit any medical articles, because the referencing requirements are more stringent. Feel free to contact me via email if you'd prefer or we could arrange to meet on IRC. Gobōnobo ^{+ c} 20:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gobonobo,

Thank you for your help! I wish I would have contacted you sooner! The list of stubs you linked to would have been helpful for the students. I sent them to a much bigger list of stubs, which overwhelmed them! I would be happy to send you the assignment sheet, but am not sure how to do that. Can I attach it here?

I had them do this assignment:

I think it could be very helpful to have a class page. We are going to the computer lab today so I can have them do that, although I'm not sure how...

To give you some sense of where they are at with the assignment: As of today, they should have chosen a stub they want to add 750-1000 words to. They should be coming to class with 4 sources, ideally 3 are "academic" sources and 1 is a "popular" source. By tomorrow they need to turn in an annotated bibliography on their sources. On Monday, their rough draft is due. On Tuesday they will be turning in a revised copy, and on Wednesday, our last day of class, I am hoping they can add their content to Wikipedia.

Thanks again! 150.131.146.229 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I've set up a course page at Wikipedia:USEP/Courses/Writing 101 (University of Montana-Western). Feel free to add to it or change it how you would like. Once the students have selected usernames, please be sure the usernames are added to that page (by them or yourself). The course page has a link to an orientation for students.

Ideally, we'd have a chance to preview the students' rough drafts so that any obvious problems can be addressed in the revision process. If they publish their rough drafts in their user spaces, I can commit to reviewing them. Be sure that the "popular" source isn't a blog or a tumblr (newspaper and magazine articles should be fine). Gobōnobo ^{+ c} 19:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Students are adding their usernames to the course page as I type! We are excited to have a course page, and the students were very excited that you will be able to review their articles! They can add them to their userpages on Monday. I will ask them to complete the orientation over the weekend. Thank you again!

LMB333 (talk) 21:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gobonobo! Thank you for getting in touch with the students on their talk pages! Almost all of them should have posted drafts to their user pages. I was wondering what the next step is? I was hoping that on Wednesday, the last day of class, they could move their articles from their user page to the Wikipedia pages they have developed. We may have time to use the computer lab as a class this afternoon if there is something they should do before that. Should I tell them to watch for comments from you on their talk pages or user pages? Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LMB333 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, please tell the students that I will make comments on their talk pages shortly. I'll try to identify any problems and any revising that needs to happen can be done before they move their articles from their user spaces. Gobōnobo ^{+ c} 21:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Gobonobo, can you please tell this instructor to have the students PLEASE read WP:CITE, WP:V, and WP:RS. I have two articles they've been working on watchlisted, and so far am about at an hour each to fix them. Also, a discussion about unencyclopedic tone would help. These sound like grade school term papers. I want to support educational efforts, but when even the instructor can't be bothered to learn the system first, they are not helping the overall project. They are making a lot of work for us to clean up their messes. Montanabw^(talk) 07:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The class assignment is finished, so they probably won't be making further edits. I'm not in contact with the professor and they didn't go through official channels to set up their assignment. I was contacted about helping with the class less than a week before the assignment was due. They're a writing 101 class, so their skill varies quite a bit. I've been putting off going through and doing a final check and cleanup of the edits. If anything looks as if it would take too long to fix, I was just planning on deleting or paring it down. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 08:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

A hit and run, eh?  ;-) Well, there are a couple of us trying to clean up Grant-Kohrs Ranch National Historic Site and I took a quick whack at Guide horse. I can live with both as is at the moment after the roughest chunks got knocked off, though it would be good to do more cleanup later. I guess I have to take large breaths now and resist my urge to bite. Montanabw^(talk) 08:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It was interesting to see what sort of topics Montana students would choose. I'll be doing some revising soon. Thank you very much for the cleanup. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 08:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Gobonobo, again, thank you for all your work with my class!

In response to Montanabw, it is difficult for me to not respond rudely. But I won't. First, thank you for editing the pages and I'm sorry they are trouble for you. Second, it is not that I "could not be bothered" to learn the Wikipedia markup system. It was my first time using Wikipedia in the classroom and I didn't even realize their were official channels to go through until I was already starting the assignment. I knew nothing about Wikipedia when I began. Now I know more, and if I teach this assignment again I will definitely get help much sooner. Learning is never perfect - the path of learning is full of mistakes. On that note, I resent you saying that the papers sound like "grade school term papers." Though many students may not be at the level you expect, they worked hard on this. And it is possible that they could read what you wrote. Again, I am sorry to have created a lot of work for you and other hard working volunteers, and I thank you for your time. I understand how you would feel frustrated at having a lot of extra work on your hands - I just wish you would be more constructive in your feedback. Otherwise, I found the whole Wikipedia education project to be helpful, fun and beneficial for the students. I would love to teach this assignment again, putting into place more of the things I have learned this time around!

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Thanks for the Ada Lovelace award! I shall value it Victuallers (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hello. Are you referring to someone other than Carrel Hilton Sheldon? If not, then could we refer to "a woman" instead of "women"?Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you indeed, that's much appreciated. Looking at edits by others, though, I clearly still have a lot to learn. Regards, Eric: Esowteric+Talk 09:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Good morning. Just as an FYI about the Edith Bülbring article you nominated to DYK - it's almost entirely unsourced. It looks like a worthy article. The lead doesn't necessarily have to be sourced, but DYK guidelines require every paragraph be sourced in the rest of the article. I didn't check on the sourcing of the hook, but it has to be specifically sourced at the end of the sentence(s) the hook info comes from. — Maile (talk) 12:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Morning. I should be able to add those sources in short order. I wanted to get the nom in before it expires. Since it was created during the Ada Lovelace event, I'm guessing that the FRS biography was the primary source document. There's a bunch more biographies of women scientists created at the Royal Society's Ada Lovelace Day event that are very close to being DYK eligible except that they soon won't be new enough. Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 12:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)