Talk:Destiny's Child

Massive revamp

This article about a former singing group should be on GA or FA. I started cleaning up the page and sourcing as well. This is highly unsourced, so its hard to retain what is already written (Im trying to find, though). Thank you. --Efe (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin

Page needs information on the origin of the name "Destiny's Child". It talks about previous incarnations of the group, and then just slips into Destiny's Child without description of where the name came from. There is information on pages [here] and [here], but I would like to see something a bit more definitive. SongMonk (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

This article is still on the process of massive revamp (see above comment). Destiny's Child is taken from a passage in a biblical book and I myself believe that this information cannot fully suffice. Im looking for the transistion of name change, like why and how, and thank you for the links. --Efe (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I will not change or add any information about the name because those two sources have different versions and seems not so reliable. --Efe (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

GA review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   In the History section, "with LeToya Luckett's inclusion who auditioned to them in 1993", who auditioned to them sounds strange and might have to be re-worded. Rephrased "Same that year", sounds a bit off and needs to be re-written. Fixed This sentence ---> "they were signed to Elektra Records, but was dropped before they could release an album", "was" should be replaced with "were". Fixed

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   Does Reference 3 cover the info. about them being dropped from Elektra Records? Sourced now (from VH1) Is there a source for the song "Killing Time" being used in the Men In Black soundtrack? Covered by ref 3; now sourced directly Is there a source for this ---> "bringing in a new lineup of producers, including Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs, Rodney Jerkins, and Dwayne Wiggins"? Briggs is sourced; Wiggins is removed; Jerkins is not sourced but factual. Source ---> ""Bills, Bills, Bills" was released in the summer of 1999 as the album's lead single, which reached the top spot of the Billboard Hot 100, becoming their first US number-one single" and "The second single, "Bug a Boo", hit the Top 40 pop charts". Bills and Bug are sourced, again, the article written by Kaufman from MTV News. Is there a source for Robertson and Luckett taking legal action against the group? Sourced A source is needed for Robertson and Luckett dropping the lawsuit against the group. Sourced "In June 2000, the albums fourth single, "Jumpin' Jumpin'", became a top-five hit", source? Copy edited and its supported by Kaufman Is there a source for them opening for both Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears? Aguilera is supported by Kaufman. Miss Spears is not but its true. I saw her DVD Live and More! (2000) and Destiny's Child was there. Source ---> "Now in their final lineup, Destiny's Child recorded a theme song for the film version of Charlie's Angels". That paragraph is supported by Kaufman article Source, "In addition, Knowles completely lead song like "Brown Eyes", "Dance With Me", "Dangerously in Love" and "Perfect Man". However, the lead vocals on the majority of songs on the album are divided evenly, where Knowles and Rowland sing a verse each and Williams does the bridge, although there are some variations". I don't know where to find this. Its already there before I edited DC and I did not remove it because its true. For "DinLove", almost no voice from the other two; for other songs, Williams is always on the bridge ("Survivor"), and sometimes not—its varied. In the 2000-2002 section, "The first three singles, "Independent Women Part I", "Survivor" and "Bootylicious" were huge hits; Sourced the first two were consecutive number-one singles in the UK Sourced and the last becoming the group's fourth US number-one single" Removed and "In the US, Survivor was the seventh highest-selling album in 2001", need a source. Cant find. Removed. Also, I sourced those you missed in this part =) Their two Grammy wins need a source. Sourced The release of "This is the Remix" needs a source. Sourced The entire section of 2002-2004, need some sourcing. Done In the 2004-2005 section, "as well as becoming executive producers aside from their manager. Sourced. This was also evident in the art cover of the album, as Knowles no longer assumed the central position-this is occupied by Williams and Rowland, who are the central figure on the cover of Destiny Fulfilled, Sourced as well as a lot of the accompanying photography and posters promoting the album", needs a source. The singles from Destiny Fulfilled, songs, "Lose My Breath", "Soldier", "Cater 2 U" and "Girl", need a source. No need "In support of the album, a worldwide concert tour, Destiny Fulfilled... and Lovin' It Tour, visited sixteen countries and over seventy-five cities worldwide, which started in Hiroshima, Japan on April 9, 2005, and concluded in Vancouver, Canada; stops included Australia, Europe, and the US and Canada", needs a source. Clean-up. Sourced.

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article is in need of a lot of sourcing. But, if the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you to Efe who got the stuff I left at the talk page and the stuff that I missed, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence?

Currently the intro includes this sentence:

"While in their commercial peak, the group was plagued by public turmoil involving lawsuits; it eventually preempted two members."

Is that use of preempted meaningful without more information?

Ordinary Person (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixing. --Efe (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

DC3

I've just undone an IP edit suggesting that Destiny's Child are also sometimes known as DC3. Does anyone have a source for this, because it is also mentioned (unsourced) on the page DC3. Thank you John Sloan (talk) 11:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I have read some news article calling them DC3 but so far, DC is safe. --Efe (talk) 12:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Theres a song on there "Survivor" album called "Outro (DC-3) Thank You" and some of the lyrics are: DC-3 forever, I'm thanking you... surely this is enough proof. --Wneedham02 (talk) 21:40, 01 September 2008 (UTC)

Support. --Efe (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ambiguous Phrasing

"the group was plagued by internal conflict and legal turmoil, as members LaTavia Roberson and LeToya Luckett attempted to terminate the group's manager (and Knowles' father) Matthew Knowles"

No doubt Luckett and Roberson were mightily hacked off, but surely not to the extent of trying to take the guy out?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.195.137 (talk) 18:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

"Destiny's Child was an R&B girl group comprising lead singer Beyoncé Knowles alongside Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams."

While these three were the members of the group when they disbanded, this statement is misleading at best and the omission of the other members is further compounded when they are mentioned as leaving the group when they were not previously mentioned as members in the first place. --Theologikal (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Photo

Can no-one find a photo of the three of them please?  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 12:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Its hard to find non-free images of the three of them, but we can actually fair use images. --Efe (talk) 12:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

WMA best selling female group.

I find the part that says "According to the World Music Awards they are the best selling female group of all time" to be somewhat misleading. Although it is true they were given that award, according to the facts the Spice Girls have sold a good 10million more records and are therefore in reality better selling. Shouldn't it be noted that they are not actually the best selling? After all this is supposed to be an entry in an encyclopedia not a peice of positive PR for the group! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.254.234 (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, this is a joke! The Spice Girls sold 66 million records. I'm sorry but the only way to say who is "best selling" is by record sales NOT a World Music Award! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.220.185.138 (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Destiny's Child appear to be "stuck" on sales of approximately 60 million according to this very encyclopedia , whereas Spice Girls now appear to have sold 75 million records. It's time someone corrected this error as well as those of Beyonce, Michelle Williams and Kelly Rowland. Paulm143 (talk) 19:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Forget the Spice Girls or Destiny's Child, the best known girl-band in History is also the best-selling : The Supremes, with nearly 100 millions albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.138.5.87 (talk) 10:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Somebody needs to sort this. It's embarrassing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.7.23 (talk) 08:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC) The Supremes are probably the most well loved and critically respected Girl Group of all time BUT The facts are that they only sold 20 million records. Destiny's Child sold between 50-60 million. The Spice Girls have sold at least 75 Million and have therfor sold the most. This fact should be noted within this article. It's misleading to say that Destiny's Child are recognized as best selling girl group of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.135.54 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Native American musical group

How is it that the African American musical group can stay but the Native American musical group can not. It seems biased and unfair one memeber of the group is all that is needed. It's known that Beyonce Knowles has notable Native American heritage without doubt. I don't see the problem. One member ethnically is of Native blood without a doubt and that's all that is required. What's the problem?Mcelite (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not. None of them are Native American. That's where I see the problem. Only one member of three with only partial Native American heritage does not nearly suffice to add a Native American musical group category. All of them are African American; that's how the African American category can stay. None of them are Native American; they are not a Native American musical group. That's not biased, that's basic common sense. Surelyhuman (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

They are not full blood African American nor full blood Native American. The group wasn't created soley for full bloods. The group was created for singing groups that have at least one Native American member with full or partial descent.Mcelite (talk) 04:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Being African American also means that you most likely have a minority of some non-black racial admixture. Quote from you: "The group was created for singing groups that have at least one Native American member," and Destiny's Child does not have at least one Native American member; and only one such member would not not suffice to be a Native American group anyway. A Native American musical group is a group where at least the majority of the members are Native American, which Destiny's Child is not. Surelyhuman (talk) 14:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Then by your logic African American musical groups wouldn't apply either. The category also includes people of partial descent as well. A full blood native is not required for this category.Mcelite (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

No, because again being African American also means that you most likely have a minority of some non-black racial admixture. Since that applies across the board, it's a standard, and not an exception. And again, a Native American musical group is a group where at least the majority of the members are Native American, which Destiny's Child is not, especially since it doesn't have even one Native American member. Surelyhuman (talk) 09:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

a reconciliation

shouldnt it be noted that they are going to make a new album in 2010 or 2011... their contract states that they have one more studio album to produce. so they should still be present. i dont have any proof of this, but perezhilton.com posted an article a long time ago saying this.96.51.30.22 (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

If there's a reliable source that can be cited, it's OK. Otherwise, it's just celebrity gossip - including the idea that they "owe" Warner Bros. another album. Even if WB decides to strictly enforce that clause (if it's true) sometimes artists will submit something truly awful in order to simply get out of a contract, knowing the record company would never release it. Famous case in point: John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "Wedding Album", which was two LPs, one of jamming in a bedroom, and the other a whole disk of shortwave radio being tuned. (Though Apple Records decided to release the stupid thing anyway!) Prince did something similar, during his "SLAVE" period. And remember, in this day-and-age, "reuniting" for an album can be nothing more than each singer recording music files being passed back and forth between recording studios, and the members are never actually in the same place at the same time. If they announce they're going to tour again, that would be "reuniting".JMax555 (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Group Timeline

I'm trying to add a timeline to music group pages that have had significant accomplishments & membership lineup changes. A User here keeps deleting my timelines, because they say it is irrelevant. The timeline is a very good way to show the reader how the group has progressed through it's active years. What is so "irrelevant" about this timeline?:

Group & Membership Timeline

1990 Girls Tyme formed	1991 Star Search appearance	1992	1993 Lineup change to four members	1994	1995	1996 Name change to Destiny's Child	1997	1998 Debut album released	1999 The Wrttings on the Wall album released	2000 Membership lineup change	2001 Survivor album released	2002	2003	2004 Destiny Fulfilled album released	2005 #1's album released	2006 Disbandment
Beyonce Knowles
	Kelly Rowland
LaTavia Roberson										Michelle Williams
	Tamar Davis		LeToya Luckett							Farrah Franklin
Nikki Taylor
Nina Taylor

I think we need to keep the timelines, anyone else?

To be honest, it looks quite messy and confusing. I just don't think it's really needed, since all the official members' timelines are already mentioned under the article's info box. The mention of Nikki and Nina Taylor and Tamara Davis from "Girls Tyme" in this chart isn't relevant either, as this article is specifically about Destiny's Child, not Girls Tyme. Additionally, all three past members and the old group are mentioned in the "Early beginnings" section of the page. I'm sure you put a significant amount of time and effort into making this, which is a great contribution to the article - but a useless contribution, nevertheless. Sorry. Percxyz (Call me Percy, it's easier) 01:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Anjel info is wrong, plus redirection

When the article goes on to say 'Roberson and Luckett formed another girl group Anjel but were unsuccessful in record sales and publicity.'

That's not true, because they were never able to release an album as Anjel. The label went under. That's why they never got to do anything, because the label folded.

And why does Anjel redirect to DC when the part I posted is literally the ONLY information available on Anjel in this article. The redirection should go, because the DC article doesn't give any real information about Anjel and Anjel has nothing to do with DC aside from being created by LeToya and LaTavia.

(70.78.200.86 (talk) 07:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC))

...Disbanded?

Destiny's Child is on an indefinite hiatus. Kelly, Beyonce, nor Michelle have 'left' the group. They are still the 'current' members and the group is still around, just not releasing music. They are still signed to Columbia, and Michelle Williams has recently stated in an interview (can provide link if needed) that Mathew Knowles is still the manager of Destiny's Child. Mathew Knowles has also recently said in a statement himself in regards to him no longer being Beyonce's manager that “Music World (Mathew's management company) will continue its partnership with Sony with Destiny’s Child." I think the article should be reworked in such a way where it states that Destiny's Child is on a hiatus, BUT they are still signed with Columbia and still managed by Mathew Knowles, so they have not disbanded.173.75.164.240 (talk) 20:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

The multi award winning girl group was once made up of four members: Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland, and Atlanta born twins Eva and Kassie Blanca. After just four single releases from the group, Mathew Knowles decided to remove Eva and Kassie from the group as he said that their vocals weren't powerful enough to match Beyonce and Kelly's. Following their departure, 22 year old Michelle Williams joined the group. Although her vocal and dancing ability were not as iconic as Knowles and Rowland's, Mathew Knowles decided to make no further changes to the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjoshthomas (talk • contribs) 12:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Rowland became the first member of Destiny's Child to have a number one hit; her global successful collabaration with Nelly reached number one in numerous countries. Following her success, she released her first album 'Simply Deep' which sold an impressive 2.5 million copies worldwide and was certified Platinum in the UK. During this time in 2002, fellow bandmate Beyonce Knowles also released her first single as a solo artist: 'Work It Out' which unfortunatly had limited success. However, after the band's departure in 2005, Beyonce became the more iconic music artist, with over 75 million records sold worldwide according to her record label in December 2010. Kelly Rowland also managed to release numerous successful singles, including 'Work', 'Like This', 'Commander' and one of the biggest selling Dance tracks of all time 'When love takes over'. The third member of Destiny's Child: Michelle Williams reportedly took a step out of the music industry after the band's departure, allegations were made that she was dropped by her record label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjoshthomas (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Page Not Found

Here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beyoncetan (talk • contribs) 14:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

If needed

• http://www.billboard.com/#/features/18-bands-ripe-for-a-reunion-1005428872.story?page=3

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

total sales

according billboard DC has sold 50, 60 or 75 million total records? (including studio album, remix album, ep, single, collection, video, mastertone). Thanks--Music&Co (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

NEW ALBUM - LOVE SONGS - 2013

NEW ALBUM - LOVE SONGS - 2013 Beyonce facebok: "I am so proud to announce the first original Destiny's Child music in eight years!"

The announcements keep on coming. Destinys Child have revealed that they are planning on releasing a compilation album titled “Love Songs” on January 29th. The project will feature a collection of “romantic, passionate and sensual selections” recorded between 1997 and 2004. The LP will also feature a brand new track that Beyonce, Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams recorded called ‘Nuclear’ produced by Pharrell.

Tracklist: 01. Cater 2 U 02. Killing Time 03. Second Nature 04. Heaven 05. Now That She’s Gone 06. Brown Eyes 07. If 08. Emotion 09. If You Leave (ft. Next) 10. T -Shirt 11. Temptation 12. Say My Name (Timbaland Remix) 13. Love 14. Nuclear

http://www.eatinghiphop.com/2013/01/10/destinys-child-love-songs-album-cover-tracklist/