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Thank you for correcting my language glitches. - To answer some of your questions: the [[modus operandi]] of the NSU was to do their murders and bank-robberies in a hit-and-run style. Usually they hired a camper van. Then they approached their targets on mountain bikes. Afterwards they weathered out the hot pursuit (encyrclement) by the police forces in that camper van. - Two kinds of weapons had been used. Mainly that silenced Ceska (which now could be traced back to a vendor in Switzerland, according to reliable reports on swiss and german public TV) and a converted italian [[Starting pistol]] (i.e. that kind of gadget used for launching in sports events; they did some kind of tinkering to upgrade it for firing live ammo). - Two more heads of the Offices for the Protection of the Constitution at state level had to resign during the main time since my last edit. - The trial against the last surviving member of the terror-trio, Beate Zschäpe, had been posponed over a scandal about the admittance of press-correspondents and is now due to start next month. |
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I hope this might answer your questions. - My main aim here had been mainly to provide good reliable english references. - Sorry, I had some very unpleasant experiences on WP (bullying and obstructive filibustering). Therefore I'm not active anymore. (My user-name then had been [[User:CaffeineCyclist]], besides many edits as IP 46.xxx.) - Greetings from Germany. and I hope this answers your questions. --[[Special:Contributions/176.6.140.52|176.6.140.52]] ([[User talk:176.6.140.52|talk]]) 00:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC) |
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National Socialist Underground (your questions and edits)
Thank you for correcting my language glitches. - To answer some of your questions: the modus operandi of the NSU was to do their murders and bank-robberies in a hit-and-run style. Usually they hired a camper van. Then they approached their targets on mountain bikes. Afterwards they weathered out the hot pursuit (encyrclement) by the police forces in that camper van. - Two kinds of weapons had been used. Mainly that silenced Ceska (which now could be traced back to a vendor in Switzerland, according to reliable reports on swiss and german public TV) and a converted italian Starting pistol (i.e. that kind of gadget used for launching in sports events; they did some kind of tinkering to upgrade it for firing live ammo). - Two more heads of the Offices for the Protection of the Constitution at state level had to resign during the main time since my last edit. - The trial against the last surviving member of the terror-trio, Beate Zschäpe, had been posponed over a scandal about the admittance of press-correspondents and is now due to start next month. I hope this might answer your questions. - My main aim here had been mainly to provide good reliable english references. - Sorry, I had some very unpleasant experiences on WP (bullying and obstructive filibustering). Therefore I'm not active anymore. (My user-name then had been User:CaffeineCyclist, besides many edits as IP 46.xxx.) - Greetings from Germany. and I hope this answers your questions. --176.6.140.52 (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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Paavo273 Complaints
(copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27/Incidents) #Complaint:_Request_for_Reversal_of_Warning_issued_to_User:Paavo273_as_abuse_of_administrative_discretion_by_User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise
Nothing of substance here likely to lead to admin action, except perhaps a boomerang. OP warned by MBisanz. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Complaint: Abuse of administrative position by Administrator User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, a.k.a. Fut. Perf ☼ at Continuation War and its talk page & request for relief.User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, a.k.a. Fut. Perf ☼ at Continuation War and its talk page
Respectfully submitted by Paavo273 (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Complaint: Request for injunction, rollback and blocking from Finn-Soviet and Baltic articles of User:Paul Siebert
Respectfully submitted by Paavo273 (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Complaint: Request for Reversal of Warning issued to User:Paavo273 as abuse of administrative discretion by User:Future Perfect at SunriseUser:Paavo273 * User:Future Perfect at Sunrise
I humbly allege that acting either coincidentally [aa ] or in concert users AdminFutPerf and Paul Siebert (See separate complaints) have themselves disrupted the talk page and short-circuited the established WP:dispute resolution process.
ridiculing, mocking people who disagree with his rulings. Complainant Pvo would submit that if this decision by AdminFutPerf and the subject of the other complain against him are indicative of his body of actions as a whole, there are good grounds to complain of rogue administrative abuse. If he wishes to be the next Rupert Murdoch or Katherine Graham or even a mini-Murdoch, he should start his own media empire rather than commandeering Wikipedia.
Your consideration is appreciated. Respectfully submitted by Paavo273 (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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You have made a disruptive edit at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Complaint:_Request_for_Reversal_of_Warning_issued_to_User:Paavo273_as_abuse_of_administrative_discretion_by_User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise. If you do not reduce your request from 1,996 words to no more than 200 words, I will block you until such time as you agree to reduce your edits to a non-disruptive length. MBisanz talk 01:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Dan Reiter, How Wars End, page 138, full paragraph 1
“As forecast by the [war information] theory, the fear of rising costs of fighting pushed Stalin to accept a limited war outcome with Finland, rather than pursue absolute victory. It is possible that the successful D-Day landings of June 1944 encouraged Stalin to settle with Finland quickly so as to permit a rapid march on Berlin. Further, part of the limited war arrangement was the commitment by Finland to use its own military forces to expel the hundreds of thousands of German troops stationed in Finnish territory. This the Finns did, at the expense of some 1,000 Finnish dead and 3,000 wounded, thereby further freeing up Soviet resources for the drive to Berlin, as well as eliminating any possibility of renewed Finnish-German cooperation. Moscow also saw that imposing foreign-imposed regime change on Finland might be prohibitively costly, because the Finnish Communists were small in number and weak by 1944.” Paavo273 (talk) 05:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Sandbox
Hello, Paavo273. If you use your sandbox you don't have to fill your talk page with tests and bits and pieces of text you want to save for later use. And you can create more than one sandbox page by numbering them (sandbox2, sandbox3 and so on). Just a friendly tip. Thomas.W (talk) 20:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Longer version--Request to Appeal Special Finding of Admin.Fut.Perf rel Infobox Result Consensus for Continuation War
Statement by Paavo273 I request appeal to reverse the content blocking actions of Administrator Fut.Perf. ☼ at Continuation War (also see Talk:Continuation War) and undo the warning to User talk:Paavo273 by Fut.Perf. ☼.
- Admin. Fut.Perf. made at least three special findings of fact contravening established WP resolution procedures, namely
- * There was a consensus about the infobox result.
- * Result was "Soviet victory."
- * Assigned special weight to sources that he says establish Soviet victory without citing any of the sources, only "based on literature cited so far."
- This administrative determination of editorial content, without due process, I believe violates allowed WP administrative function. However, *IF* the committee determines that this is allowable action by an administrator, I ask for a hearing *on the merits*. I don't believe Fut.Pef. has thoroughly (and thus fairly) evaluated the material, nor correctly summarized what has taken place on the talk page, and I am prepared to concisely outline these to committee. I request appeal only within the narrow content-decision of Fut.Perf. I also humbly submit that user comments from users (regardless of the educational level) who only assert their position without providing meaningful grounds for it are not proper basis for deciding content disputes, even as evaluated by Admin. FutPef. I don't believe FutPerf’s warning accurately or fairly depicts or reflects the nature of my contributions to the talk page which a fair reading *would* reveal. Finally the article is rich in content and is a good article. Examination of the sources in the article rather than relying on unsupported assertions of certain editors would lead to a different result from the one Admin Fut.Perf. has unilaterally taken. This is a much more subtle (but not terribly complicated) issue than the words, "Soviet victory". The well-written article itself provides a lot of insight, and I would appreciate the opportunity to illustrate that. Paavo273 (talk) 23:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
This is an instance of the lone administrator not only supervening the editorial process and effectively preventing future resolution of underlying content issues on a level playing field, toward NPOV. Appellant contends administrator has misused administrative powers in an editorial role. I'd be grateful for an opportunity to be heard before the committee. (talk) 23:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
More grounds for my Appeal Request--additional admin. takeover of editorial discussion at CW:Talk --ongoing misuse of administrative process
- To just repeat words "Soviet victory" ad infinitim doesn't prove it. Discussion should be about analyzing sources. Reason this is so important is you have an article with sources that has been hashed out that is now being contradicted by the Sovietist-placed infobox result. The contentiousness revolves around what Soviet victory *meant* and whether the USSR ever intended to take over Finland. That is a significant part of what all the acrimony is about and why it is so important. I'm not sure if Admin. Fut.Perf. was aware of that when he made his special ruling on content (which he continues to actively promote in CW:Talk today) that basically assumes the Sovietist view, not only *of* victory, but by deduction--what victory meant. It's much more subtle and significant than two words.
- I believe this is highly prejudicial, ongoing, reversible error.
Rel warning, I am prepared to offer compelling evidence that I am not primarily the guilty party in the "disruption". If allowed I will show that I continued to assume good faith when none was shown in return and that I many times offered suggestions for finding a solution. Paavo273 (talk) 02:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC) (content reduced at request of Clerk Hahc21; moved to Paavo273 (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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- Rebuttal by P273 February 10--Response to Admin’s and others' statements
- A. I have been abused by AdminFP and this process. New allegations "walls of text" (my single copying of a discussion exactly on point from another talk site to try stimulate discussion that wasn't happening at CW talk) and "blindly copied" and "filibustering" are latest in long list of various false allegations made to kill my attempt at meaningful engagement on the merits--including OR, synthesis, tag teaming, dubious source, canvassing, sock puppet (‘had to look that one up), etc.
- B. I and other users trying to provide balance and proportion to the infobox result--which is all this is about--have been attacked, threatened, ridiculed, and finally squelched. Just f/ex.,
- YMB29: (to another user) "You still lack knowledge about this topic. It looks like you are only here to annoy me". -YMB29 (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Paul Siebert: "Regarding [other user's] proposal, that is nonsense. All (or almost all) wars end with armistice or peace treaties. Playing Captain Obvious with the only goal to conceal the truth (namely, that the USSR won) is hardly acceptable."
- Fut.Perf.: "Please stop the bickering. Yes, it's "our" policy – it is mine, it is yours, and it is also Paul Siebert's, because we are all Wikipedians, for better or worse, so we all have the right to call it "ours". Now please either say something constructive on the topic, or say nothing at all." Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC
- Rebuttal by P273 February 10--Response to Admin’s and others' statements
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- I propose, esteemed learned administrators, that these and so very much else on CW talk page in the last ten days (and last seven YEARS) demonstrate nothing like good faith or an effort to resolve a disagreement; on the contrary, it is the embodiment of the spirit of totalitarianism and terror in action.
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- WP "Newspeak," part of AdminFP's lingo to refer to power he asserted over editorial content and eliminating whatever fledgling opposition existed to the Soviet view is apropos word choice as it is an allusion to Orwell's depiction of the quality of information exchange in the Soviet Union.
- QUERY: When did the Soviet version of history become the mainstream one and the only accepted one at WP? I am NOT against inclusion of the Soviet viewpoint, and it is well-represented in the CW article, but why is that the one favored as mainstream? Why the short circuiting of discussion on the merits and now of democratic process? I don't think this is what the great one himself had in mind for his People's Encyclopaedia.
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- QUERY: Does anyone on this committee think it would be reasonable to request Admin.Fut.Perf point out or refer to specifically *what* sources whose strength in combination added up to "Soviet victory" consensus, i.e., can you point to some sources in the actual CW article, or is it strictly the sources that YMB29 quoted from his Google search? Or is this as has been evident to me all along, merely AdminFutPerf's courtesy rubber stamping of his brother admin. Paul Siebert's m.o.? This is further suggested to me by the tone used throughout Admin.Fut.Perf's statement by use of words such as apparent and evident, suggesting to me that AdminFutPerf. was relying on someone else's assessment or doing a very quick, superficial perusal.
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- I believe this is gross error and warrants your hearing. Does any administrator think I should be offered a hearing or is any at least willing to look into my application? Are any neutral administrators willing to read the article, or even just the first and last sections and entertain the thought for a few minutes of whether the copious sources cited there indicate "Soviet victory" before deciding? (Knowledge of Winter War and prior Finnish history helfpul but not essential.)
- I would like to say additionally that AdminFP's IMO precipitant action is already bearing illegitimate fruit in what his colleague--who like himself wears two skins, administrator and editor, which each dons and sheds like a chameleon (sometimes neglecting to wear the administrator skin before lecturing or threatening other editors as if they were naughty children)--is doing to other infobox results. Enforcing this cookie-cutter approach to the infobox based on some usually not-enforced template specification is yet another thinly veiled effort to dictate a biased result with no substantive discussion. All readers and especially WP itself loses when capable researchers on this site are discouraged from participating as a result of rushed, biased, or backroom actions of people in administrative authority. Whatever the proper verbiage for CW infobox, it is a unique situation and needs special consideration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Finland is the only country described in CW article section Analysis (sub-heading Soviet buffer zones) "touched" by USSR during World War II and post-war era not either swallowed up by USSR or directly controlled through installation of communist government. If a country is the only one, (or even one of two) out of roughly thirteen countries to not be swallowed up following action with the USSR, I submit that this needs special attention at infobox level, regardless of what some but not all Soviet sources say about the Soviets’ intentions rel Finland. I don’t believe AdminFP’s characterization of this view as Finnish nationalism even minutely represents what the article’s sources, including overall, the Soviet sources, say. (None of the several sources cited in the Analysis subsection Assessment of Soviet Designs... is Finnish. See end of article CW) Paavo273 (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC) (more reductions following clerk's instructions)
- I believe this is gross error and warrants your hearing. Does any administrator think I should be offered a hearing or is any at least willing to look into my application? Are any neutral administrators willing to read the article, or even just the first and last sections and entertain the thought for a few minutes of whether the copious sources cited there indicate "Soviet victory" before deciding? (Knowledge of Winter War and prior Finnish history helfpul but not essential.)
Please trim your statement at arbitration case requests
Hi, Paavo273. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; and concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the Arbitrators.
For the Arbitration Committee, — Hahc21talk 05:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response, Paavo273. Have a nice evening. — Hahc21talk 05:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Your request to the Arbitration Committee
I have removed your request to the Arbitration Committee, as it was neither a request for an amendment to nor a clarification about a case. As you appear to be appealing a warning imposed under arbitration enforcement, I suggest you follow the instructions here. For the Arbitration Committee --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Warning
You have been disrupting the talk page of Continuation War.
The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to Eastern Europe. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, satisfy any standard of behavior, or follow any normal editorial process. If you continue to misconduct yourself on pages relating to this topic, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read at the "Final decision" section of the decision page.
Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page before making any further edits to the pages in question. This notice is given by an uninvolved administrator and will be logged on the case decision, pursuant to the conditions of the Arbitration Committee's discretionary sanctions system.
Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
February 2013
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Thomas.W (talk) 22:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC) (Received at my user page; I moved it to my talk page Paavo273 (talk) 08:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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Tali-Ihantalaa ja muuta
Moi,
Suosittelen - koska sinua selvästi kiinnostaa Suomen suurimpien taistelujen faktuaalisuus - että pidät silmällä esim. Tali-Ihantalan taistelua koskevaa artikkelia, sekä ns. "Fourth Strategic Offensive" (Neuvostoliiton 1944 suurhyökkäystä Suomea vastaan) koskevaa artikkelia. Suomen osalta artikkelien faktuaalisuutta yritetään jatkuvasti vääristellä NL/Venäjä mieliseksi. --82.181.75.48 (talk) 05:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Question
Hello Paavo, I don't think we've ever interacted before, but I happened to see some of your edits and was impressed with your grammatical skill. I was wondering if you would be willing to look over an article that I've been working on and correct any obvious grammar/prose/diction issues? I've been working on Alexis Bachelot for a while and it is currently a Good Article nominee. Any help would be appreciated! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Removing comments
Hi Paavo273, this is just to let you know that removing others' comments, or removing comments of yours which others have replied to, is generally frowned upon in Wikipedia. I've added back the comments that you removed in this edit. If you want, I can archive them instead. Would that be acceptable to you? Also, I can see how my comment formatting could have confused you on this point. The only comments I have formatted have been those of the mediation participants, and that is a special privilege they granted me when they agreed to the ground rules of the mediation. If they hadn't agreed to those ground rules, then I wouldn't have touched their comments. If you want some more information on how to use talk apges, you can have a look at our talk page guidelines. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 23:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Quotation marks
Thanks for your excellent and precise corrections to Wikipedia articles. I have one minor correction of my own to your work. Wikipedia has its own manual of style which includes an unusual rule on the use of quotation marks. Please review MOS:LQ. Your changes to James Arthur Ray may have been inconsistent with that rule.[1] In any case, it's a small detail. Since many editors are unfamiliar with that rule it is often violated. I don't want to discourage your efforts, but I thought you might not be aware of it. Carry on. Will Beback talk 19:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Welcome
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Request for Arbitration case declined
This is a courtesy notice to inform you that a request for arbitration, which named you as a party, has been declined. Please see the Arbitrators' opinions for potential suggestions on moving forward.
For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ21 02:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Re:Your email
Thanks for your nice email. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. My wiki email is a more or less throaway account that I don't check that often. As for how to "win" debates on wiki, the key is always to go to what the sources say. Arguing making logical inference is considered synthesis or original research so it won't get you anywhere. So the best thing to do is find sources (note the plural) that call it a "partial victory" or stalemate or whatnot. There are several souces which call it explicitly a "Soviet victory" and unless you have sources that say otherwise, that's what we have to go with. (Personally I think trying to sum a battle or war in a single description is a disservice to the reader, and it might make more sense to just have bulleted points of the most significant results). I happen to have some good offline sources at my parent's place (Tomas Ries's Cold Will and I think also a book by a brit historian whose name escapes me) and will look them up the next time I visit them. I suggest that if you want to change people's minds, you find sources to persuade them. Sailsbystars (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)