User talk:Penyulap

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Ombudsman Commission notice

Penyulap, how are you? I thought you might be interested in the notice at Wikipedia talk:CheckUser#Community consultation: Remit of the Ombudsman Commission. Best regards. 64.40.54.79 (talk) 05:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Lolz, so they are too busy spending wikipedia donations on airline tickets to attend conferences on why their own commission doesn't work to actually do the work. That explains a lot. Like I should care, en.wiki is a joke. Penyulap ☏ 07:58, 26 Feb 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

For MontanaBW, for all the horsing around.

or editing really, don't think I haven't noticed your brilliant editing. It's been so in my face for a year or so, but it took me a while to get around to making a suitable award. Hope you like it. Penyulap ☏ 22:13, 18 Mar 2013 (UTC)

EXCELLENT! And wonderful pun! Montanabw^(talk) 03:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Two smiles at least, who is it that speaks like that ? 'oh betty the cat's done a whoopsie in my beret ?' they'd say Penny that way. The country-club way. I had both in my mind at the time. :)

I should brush it up too, cause their is a tiny error I didn't catch. (maybe you can suggest your favourite colours or some other small changes if you like) Penyulap ☏ 04:09, 19 Mar 2013 (UTC)

Most merry-go-round horses are of different colors, I think a bay, a gray, a chestnut (you already have that) and a palomino might be nice! (grin) Montanabw^(talk) 14:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

argh! you tie me in a knot. I can do the little video that goes with it in a rainbow of colours with ease, and that is a trifle. The smaller version gif can have any colour horses so long as the horses are all the same, so all tails or all heads or all diamonds is ok, but each one different means that it would exceed the capabilities of the server to hold and display. It is trickery now, because it is an illusion where each horse stops and returns to the start as soon as the next horse is up to almost the starting point. This gives the seamless impression that each horse travels round the carousel forever, although they only travel through almost 72 degrees of the carousel before snapping back to their starting place, so quickly that you don't even notice. Penyulap ☏ 02:59, 20 Mar 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps simply make each horse white, and have rotating coloured spot-lights in the carousel? Rich Farmbrough, 12:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

All white is easy, I'll have to think of the math to make the spots work as suggested. I look at a bay horse but it doesn't seem so much a colour than as if a horse walked through paint up to it's knees, is it like that ? Penyulap ☏ 12:54, 20 Mar 2013 (UTC)

No, a bay is a reddish horse with point coloration, most noticeably a black mane and tail. White markings are irrelevant, any color horse can have white markings. Legs, if no white markings are present, are black. (See lead image of article) But all white with pretty colored lights would be cool also! Montanabw^(talk) 18:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

This is awesome. I had no idea you had such talent. I only found this because I was looking at the Tabasco sauce SVG on Commons and saw that that was your work as well. Hope you're doing OK these days. —Soap— 23:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

The new carousel has passed animal testing.

Why thank you ! I'm glad it pleases you. :)

There should be a Tabasco Fiasco really, the image is PD so who cares, but I fixed up the image upon the request from Canoe1967 who had an urgent request from the company. Someone who is into deleting doubles killed the first image already, so I'll never know who did it. Someone who can see the original can fix it I guess, if it matters at all, but it should be a tasty mess I've gotten myself into. Ah yes, I recall the malaise with the bolognese, the truffle kerfuffle, the coup with the roo and much ado about the stew with a waiver on the flavou... oh I'll stop there I think. Penyulap ☏ 06:14, 22 Mar 2013 (UTC)

Block

Hi Penyulap, why are you blocked here? Lotje (talk) 16:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

hehe...that is something many people have been unable to find since 238 days! TheStrikeΣagle 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Well each of the few people doing it have different reasons, but from the on en.wiki comments alone, it's easy to see that I'm good at spotting sockpuppets, so naturally people who think the world revolves around them would think I have some interest in their misdeeds, whereas it's closer to the truth to say I don't think of such people at all.

It's pure speculation as to why that would be a problem, but I note that the average run of the mill request for adminship has a few dozen voters, but the secret ballot for arbs attracts about 600 votes or so(or is it more?). It is widely advertised though, as to why it's secret is anyone's guess, or you know, not. Of course these things are not connected and out of 600 voters we can be sure there are zero socks (or not) still, that would explain a sh*tload of the block antics.

Or it could just be a whimsical contempt for consensus, or people want to gain favour with the 'me too' groupthink, who knows, who cares. My work spreads virally, like file:pengreen.gif to the last thing I uploaded today, something to help people learn about the natural world and watch pornography at the same time which is what wikipedia is all about, so it's not as if I can up and disappear like a fart in the wind. Though when I see what it has done to other people who have seen what was done to me, and the damage THAT causes those people, I am saddened. Looking at this this and Pesky's last edit especially, and many more, it all makes my heart break because these are such good people.

Then, there are a lot of 'owners' of the block, everyone wants a veto, claiming it's an arbcom block, a checkuser block, an ausc or however you spell it block, it all boils down to exactly the same thing. contempt for consensus and contempt for what used to be policy. Plenty of people have done what is perfectly allowable according to a big discussion on one of the blocking policy pages, and that is to make a 3rd party request for unblocking, those discussions are quickly quenched by the 'mob' that hang out on the drama boards.

So, there is nothing left to do except for en.wiki to look pretty stupid really. Not just with my block, but with that whole picture of the day thing. There is nobody left caring for the ISS page that knows the difference between a space station module and a space ship, and an incorrectly captioned image that was left on the ISS talkpage for a long time went onto the main page of wikipedia. 20,000 people clicked through to the article after reading the caption.

It's pretty much what any model of mob rule would show towards the end, a system that can be so easily manipulated is attractive to certain kinds of people, and those people don't create an attractive environment to work in, so the project has been in decline since 2006-7 and now, well, it's like those boxes full of 7 year old encyclopaedias you used to see at garage sales for next to nothing, sure the spaces and punctuation are robotically freshened daily and some churn goes on where people run the gauntlet and manage to make an improvement despite all opposition, but the ISS article for example has 3 or 4 dozen things wrong with it already, it is so totally out of date, lots of articles are. Whatever, I'm more interested in starting a new set of websites than putting so much effort into fighting the people trying to stop me improving this one. Penyulap ☏ 17:27, 26 Mar 2013 (UTC)

It's the old, old story: Boy meets Hypocrisy; Boy falls in love with Hypocrisy. Boy exposes Hypocrisy for being Hypocritical; Hypocrisy bans Boy. Hypocrisy challenges Boy as to what he is going to do to improve the project; Boy baulks at obviously loaded challenge. Boy's friends depart hypocrisy more in sadness than anger; Hypocrisy gets a bit precious and circles the wagons. Thom2002 (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

and people find my ranting hard to understand :D no, but seriously you're talking to like 5% of the audience here I think. Still, that's probably double what my tldr yapping gets. I am SO jealous of Bish's getting that Ostrich userbox on her userpage. hmph. Penyulap ☏ 22:17, 26 Mar 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I understand what you are saying, however I think you over-estimate the hypocrisy. It's just a few small minded people and a few who use this place as therapy. A simple screening process by professional psychiatrists would weed the problem out, but it's not like anyone is going to speak openly about that at the wmf. On the whole, the people who have wanted to help in the past, and continue to arrive and leave, are just fine. So the project grinds to a halt. I think the worst part is it poisons most Internet users against the concept of an open encyclopaedia in general. I'll have to completely revamp the format to bring them back (onto a non-wmf site) but I'm having too much fun drawing at the moment. (I haven't uploaded the works that are inspiring me the most at the moment) Penyulap ☏ 11:41, 28 Mar 2013 (UTC) 11:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Penyulap is blocked today for the same reason why User:Likebox, User:JanDeFietser, User:Cla68, etc. are blocked today. Count Iblis (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Your friend's behaviour

Regarding User talk:Eddaido#Speed Six: I came here to ask you to instruct your friend on the guidelines WP:OR, WP:DE, and WP:CIVIL, but it seems as if you are having your own trouble with the system.

I am indeed sorry that you have been blocked. I can think of at least one user who deserves it a lot more than you do.

However, if you can communicate with him, could you please try to convince him to abide by the guidelines? If this is not possible, could you please try to convince him to leave before he exceeds the tolerance of the system?

I thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I am glad you ask my help and I'm glad to see you again, I always had wished I could have helped more before to make things easier, so I'm glad to work with both of you again ! Writegeist sure looks like a fun person to chat with by the looks of their userpage :D so I look forward to that. The image talkpage is here and I've started off the chat by asking for more information. Would you be so kind as to invite the Eddaido and Writegeist to join the conversation there, and please stop by yourself! The link code to the talkpage is '''[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Bentley_Speed_Six.JPG here]'''

I look forward to helping if I can. Penyulap ☏ 07:21, 27 Mar 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have informed both of them and I will now let it work. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't work by itself :) you'll need to have your say of you won't be heard ! Please, I invite you to give your views on that page. Penyulap ☏ 13:48, 27 Mar 2013 (UTC) 13:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Y all finished, all good. Penyulap ☏ 15:02, 3 Apr 2013 (UTC)

Long time

Hey pen! How's it going? Are you alright? Still here? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course he is. They are soon to introduce a new admin power whereby an administrator questioning the action of a peon, can prevent the peon making any further edits until the peon acknowledges a message as written by the administrator.

No block will need to be made, just by coincidence the peon will not be able to edit until they accept the message as dictated by the administrator.

I'm sure this will help to make sure that... something? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:11, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I am still here Jaguar, and apparently still an imminent threat to the project :D

I miss the orange band across the top of the page for new messages, that was cool. There was like a pavlovs doggie thingy where you saw the orange and thought WooHoo !!!! I guess someone didn't like that either. (they thought, nobody loves me, so I'll make it so nobody else is loved either, or so they thought)

It would be so cool if people could be *Forced* into not leaving en.wiki, then, as soon as en.wiki forked, every good editor would be sucked out from here and arrive in the new project all at once, like sci-fi or comedy, there are so many sketches that fit what I'm thinking of, but as it is, it's hard to go and find them all.

People like this far too much

Jag, you should come to commons ! on commons, they call 'articles' 'files', and you can destroy HEAPS of them, they even have things called 'mass deletions', I've done a few, it's fun. :) although my time there is better spent on valuable additions like polandball and insect porn, with their undeniable educational value. Lemme show you some.

Don't know what this is, there are articles in 90 languages, but there is not one in English to explain it (shrug)

get yourself a passport and visit this article

Very important work there, but in some ways it suffers a few of the same problems, but in a way less so, because there is a occasionally-functioning de-sysop process (possibly), I think it must have been made out of fear that non-Americans might become sysops and need fixing ;) not like on en.wiki where everyone is assumed to be a fat redneck, (hmm, I should go read the official bias page, I seem to have a fuzzy recollection of some of the statistics)

I'm glad that you and Pesky are still about, I can't visit her page easily, but it is good to know that she is ok and still kickin. I've been tinkering with my programming knowledge-base in the areas of robotics and so forth, useful things for a fork. I think wikialpha is cool, but I don't know that they could handle all of wiki if I asked PALZ to copy it. I like PALZ, I mean, I know he hates me and is trying to kill me, but honestly I get that a lot, and he does a good job of fixing up those space station articles, so it balances itself out in the end I guess. PLUS there is that corny movie Tron, which I have a copy of the newer one (must get the old one) and there is that nerdy 'tron guy' I know, but maybe that's cause it IS a cult movie, maybe people just don't know it yet. Hmmm, I kindof like it, the idealism, the god awful shallow villains, the power of the creator, the whole cyberworld thing, hmm, whistful thinking.

Peons makes me think of warcraft II, you click on the Orc Peon too many times, he tells you 'my tummy fells funny' and then burps loud and long. Penyulap ☏ 05:12, 4 May 2013 (UTC) 05:12, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Penyulap. I completely agree with everything you said, and whatever decision you make, I'll support. Yeah I noticed that they got rid of the big orange band for new messages, I loved that! It was one of those things that made Wikipedia great, but all good things must come to an end eventually. I guess somebody thought it was time to a change and now they introduced in a new crappy notifications system.

I think it's about time you should be unblocked, Wikipedia will be so much better with you around and editing. But then again this project is more or less doomed and too politically correct for people like us! Yes me and Pesky are still here, and Dr. Blofeld... and a handful of other good editors too, but I think we're all that's left! I haven't been on Wikipedia for months, I can't create anything anymore, and I can't expand on anything either without other people interfering...

Commons? I'll check it out. I uploaded a few pics on there two years ago but I suppose people have got things like Instagram now where people can just look and mess about with photos in a more simplistic way. Yes it would be great if all the good editors could get transported from here to a new Wiki, a place where we could be our own bosses! Who knows? It might actually happen one day!

I'm still here if you need me. :D ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Christmas on the International Space Station for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Christmas on the International Space Station is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christmas on the International Space Station until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. W. D. Graham 20:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know..

You have been mentioned at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians. XOttawahitech (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

thank you, that is very kind of you, and that is a heart wrenching list for so many reasons. When I look at the date I think wow, has it been that long ? Then again, I look at the ISS article and it looks more like I've been gone for a decade or more :D that article inspires me to make a space wiki, to bring alive all the fantastic ideas that so many friends had/have for the article, but I have to work towards the bigger goal of a better place for everyone, and so that's what I try to do. Penyulap ☏ 18:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

For your caring work

I think Ottawahitech doesn't know of this award (or may not like it), perhaps a talkpage angel could let him know ? Penyulap ☏ 05:34, 22 Jun 2013 (UTC) 05:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thom2002 (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Thom. Penyulap ☏ 19:04, 23 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Inactivity

Hi there, and during my editing, I've come to notice you, and I just can't understand why there is talk page access but is blocked, is there anything admins have to decide on? Zince34' 16:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

And, why are you blocked anyway, for 326 days? Zince34' 16:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Because he's a very naughty boy. Thom2002 (talk) 21:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

What Thom said :) Penyulap ☏ 05:03, 22 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Well, then, why talkpage access? Zince34' 06:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Why not? Talkpage access during a block is the default option. It's removing a blocked user's talkpage access that needs a reason. Bishonen | talk 16:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC).

So, even after being nuked, you are still a indirect member of WP:AWARDS, right? Zince34' 04:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Bishzilla appreciate great artwork

Thank you very much little user for creating excellent Shakespeare Bigfoot image so little MONGO could receive well-deserved award! bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC).

Fine artwork indeed Penyulap! Exceptionally excellent. I have enshrined the artwork and the award atop my userpage and there it will reside in perpetuity.--MONGO 17:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, you are both so kind. You're most welcome. Penyulap ☏ 17:38, 23 Jun 2013 (UTC)

That reminded me about that scratchy noise from the cupboard, I found this strange contraption, I wonder who may wish to take care of it ? (the hamsters are well-trained). I think this is the most important award especially for protecting the entire community. Penyulap ☏ 18:52, 23 Jun 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if a talkpage angel could place this award on Bishonen's talkpage for me. thank you. Penyulap ☏ 07:20, 24 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Pen, I'm dumbfounded, that's the most magnificent barnstar, nobody could deserve it. Thank you very much. I guess there aren't so many angels around this time of year…. the poor little hamsters are getting all worn out… [Decisively:] I guess I'll have to fetch it myself! [/me makes off with the hamster-powered fairybread star. On second thoughts, leaves Penyulap a copy of his masterpiece.] Bishonen | talk 20:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC).

I believe nobody could be more-so. You're welcome. There are still countless angels, and migration may be the issue. You should see how many there are on commons ! I think the fewer angels left here on en.wiki are spreading thinner every year. Those camsters are intriguing though, I too thought they would tire, but after watching them without a break for 19 hours when I first put them there, all I can surmise is that they rest when we're not looking and not listening for the squeak squeak squeak that can be heard by those of extra-ordinary hearing. Penyulap ☏ 08:35, 25 Jun 2013 (UTC)

A night sky of barnstars for that stellar apparatus, as I noted in this edit summary of a comment on a page where you can't even post. I hope there is a way for you to get unblocked and dance the 10 billion year messy and messier dance with the stars again. That barnstar is amazing. ---Sluzzelin talk 01:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Sluzzelin, that is humbling praise indeed which leaves me almost speechless. I am glad you enjoy it together with us. Penyulap ☏ 11:00, 26 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Pen, I'm getting e-mail complaints here that the camsters have changed the barnstar landscape and put ordinary barnstars' noses out of joint: "No other barnstar even matters anymore. Penyulap has ruined "normal" barnstars for the rest of us." :-) Bishonen | talk 22:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC).

That is a problem I didn't expect. I spruced up some userboxes which is ironic as I don't use userboxes, except two, one of which points out that I don't like userboxes which is ironic because it's a userbox pointing out that it is ironic I don't like them. Maybe it's a sign of things to come, because if I can, I'll do for online encyclopaedias what I have done for userboxes and barnstars. Totally pimp them, much to the amusement of the amused. Penyulap ☏ 08:45, 27 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know

You have been mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:Missing_Wikipedians#Can_blocked_editors_be_listed_as_missing.3F.XOttawahitech (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

thank you for the note. Penyulap ☏ 15:13, 29 Jun 2013 (UTC)

Is there anything you want me to say on your behalf, Pen? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 18:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

No thank you Jaguar, I'm fine. If you like, you could hunt down my last three? barnstars. I don't think they'll make it to my userpage without an angels help. That would be lovely. Penyulap ☏ 06:12, 30 Jun 2013 (UTC) 06:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

That's fine Penyulap, I'll add those last three barnstars to your userpage. Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 16:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry I mean these ones. Two of the ones you put there were for other people. These two go just before the 4 '-' characters and the '"If you bat ..."

Also I think they were hard to find, because the archives last eighteen entries are erroneous, the bot couldn't manage it properly and repeatedly put the same stuff in. Penyulap ☏ 16:35, 2 Jul 2013 (UTC) 16:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Comic genius creating File:Whambo.jpg. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Penyulap, after everything you have been through, you deserve one of these! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 18:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know Pen! And sorry for the late reply. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know

You have been mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Blocking_of_participants_in_this_wikiproject.3F. XOttawahitech (talk) 00:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, I remember Denis Brown mentioning he started that project mainly because of myself, in fact I was second to join. My name was erased by an office employee, but not as an office action. Thank you for letting me know.

By the way, I'm sorry Jaguar placed the barnstar I made for you onto my own page, I was wanting to get the new three added there, but I didn't specify which three. Doesn't matter though. Penyulap ☏ 14:25, 6 Aug 2013 (UTC)