Wikipedia talk:Page Curation

Nominated for deletion

Pages which I nominated for deletion (speedy, PROD, or AfD) are sometimes tagged as reviewed automatically, instead of as Nominated for Deletion, and I cannot seem to change that. 069952497a^{Comments and complaints}_{Stuff I've done} 23:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean they appear in the list view as 'reviewed', or that, when you nominate them, they are also reviewed? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi - this is happening to me as well. When I make a deletion nomination, the tagging works fine, but in the feed and in the page metadata it is marked as reviewed (green checkmark) instead of marked for deletion. (I'm new to Page Curation - I'm assuming the trash icon should appear since I see it on other pages that are marked for deletion. In one case my tagged article switched over to the correct icon after a couple of minutes, but I didn't think to check the metadata and see if someone had done some action to fix it.) I'm not sure yet if this is happening every time, but the most recent page where I observed this is this one. Arc de Ciel (talk) 08:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, me also when I speedy delete tag. They are tagged for deletion, but the feed shows them with a check instead of a trash bin and automatically patrols them. Surfer43 (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Update - when I nominate for AfD, the feed seems to work fine, but for CSD the result is still the same as before. (I haven't checked a PROD yet.) Arc de Ciel (talk) 13:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Repetition

Hi,

I sometimes am looking at new pages, and when I scroll down, I get the pages repeated, but it generally goes away given time. Is this meant to happen?

Thanks, Matty.007 09:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

That happens to me as well. It's rather annoying. Insulam Simia (^talk/_contribs) 07:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

It happens to me too, but up to now I haven't bothered reporting it. It needs fixing badly. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I suspect it's related to this, which got archived before it got fixed. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The bug wae reported by Oliver Keyes 2013-04-25 14:43:47 UTC. (That's 25 April 2013 for the rest of the world). Not even replied to. 15:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything.

Still happens. Appears to be getting worse if anything. Fiddle Faddle 15:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Repetitive "Still happens" comments are not helpful. References are, like the bug report that you mentioned already: bugzilla:47645. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea how to find and quote bug numbers. Instead I alerted you to the fact that this still happens. Seems like a good case for reversion to the prior system since this one is broken. The message is important, not the messenger. Fiddle Faddle 16:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

• I'm noticing this now also. About 20 or so entries just repeat endlessly. Cabe6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 09:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

• The problem is not the repetition per se. It makes page curation impossible except for the most recent few. I fear that ordure is slipping through the net. Fiddle Faddle 09:29, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

• Does this feedback page serve any purpose? 6 July 22 June (2013) this has been reported here as happening. It still happens. All I got for my own report was a snarky comment. Fiddle Faddle 11:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

• Well, yes, it does do something; the bug is in bugzilla, and I've poked and prodded people to work on it. To be fair, your report was (in and of itself) a snarky comment - or at least, came off like one, to me and evidently some others. Ironholds (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

• Actually, I was the original reporter, and I feel that my comment wasn't snarky. However, thanks for helping, Ironholds and Timtrent. Matty.007 15:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah, your report was excellent; I was referring to the "still happens" comments above. I'll kick people again. Ironholds (talk) 15:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking into it. Matty.007 15:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

some pages not coming up with curation toolbar

I've been working on wp:npp and with most articles the toolbar appears without a problem but with two of them, .44 Remington Centerfire, and .223 Wylde, the toolbar does not appear. I've tried refreshing and hovering over the area where the toolbar pops up but no luck. What's causing this, and how can it be fixed? I previously asked at the regular helpdesk, here. Thank you. JanetteDoe (talk) 03:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes, I find that the toolbar is in the wrong place. However, I often find it in the bottom left if it is not at the top right. I don't know why this happens, but have you tried scrolling to the very bottom of the page, JanetteDoe? Matty.007 09:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I looked around all edges and did not find it on either page. I would note that the page curation queue continues to get cleaned up from the back end, but those two articles remain untouched. Either every single person on npp is shy of reviewing pages discussing ammunition, or others are also having difficulty seeing the toolbar. JanetteDoe (talk) 18:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I've seen precisely this problem on both pages. I'm going to throw it in Bugzilla. Ironholds (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Now thrown in! Bug 51301 - PageCuration: PC is anti-second amendment. Ironholds (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I fixed the problem. I simply moved those two articles to new titles without leading ".", then reviewed them, then moved them back to their original titles. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a workaround, but I wouldn't call it an actual fix to the problem. --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 18:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah :/. Is anyone having any luck using the "old" view? Ironholds (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

No I stopped trying. This is just another example of a half created, minimally functional tool. I don't know if this was created by the WMF staffers or if it was a volunteer project by one of the developers but someone needs to devote some time to fixing this thing. As with Visual Editor this could be a great application but it needs a lot of work and no one wants to make the time to fix it. Kumioko (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so it's "No, with the caveat I stopped trying". Great; thanks for the confirmation. Ironholds (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. Kumioko (talk) 02:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

The date and time for each article should be the date the page entered articlespace, not the date the page was created.

Special:NewPagesFeed uses the date/time a page was created in the listing; the list is sorted by that date/time. But if an article was created in userspace, and subsequently moved to articlespace, this date/time can misleading. For example, the "oldest" article in the listing, as of this moment, is one dated 02:56, 16 July 2009. In fact, this article was moved to articlespace today; it's real date is 13 July.

Since this "oldest" article is an autopatrolled article, it is supposed to remain in the feed for 60 days. That means that the system knows (despite the article's 2009 date) that in fact it appeared in articlespace today (July 13), and so the 60 days have not yet been reached. If the system knows that, then it should display that date (the one it is using to count down the 60 days), not the page creation date, and it should sort by that date, not the page creation date. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

possible for page to be marked reviewed twice without being unreviewed in between

When curating pages, I started marking them as reviewed and then might add some tags. However, adding tags causes them to be marked reviewed again, even if they have already been reviewed. For an example, see the page curation log and search for entries against page I Don't Luv U. I don't have an account on wikimedia's bugzilla but someone who does might want to open a bug report. JanetteDoe (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Pages that won't go away

There are two pages at the back of the queue on the New pages feed that will not go away, and will not show the curation toolbar.

• .44 Remington Centerfire
• .223 Wylde

Other pages are working fine for me and the tool bar is showing normally everywhere else. I tried what other people suggested about the toolbar being closed, and looking for the Patrol link on the left, and it is not there. Any ideas? —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 14:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

See #some pages not coming up with curation toolbar above. Chris857 (talk) 14:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Duh. I read that but must have scanned over the names of the articles. Thanks for the heads-up. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 15:10, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't let editors add superfluous stub tags

It would be a great help if the Page Curation software didn't allow editors to add {{stub}} to an article which already has one or more subject-specific stub tags (identified as templates ending in "-stub". Here's an example: two good stub tags, but an editor uses Page Curation to add {{stub}}, wasting other editors' time (but boosting their own edit count, I suppose). PamD 14:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

As someone who has made this mistake several times, I agree. For some reason stub templates are easier to accidently overlook than other templates on a page - it's got nothing to do with boosting edit counts (at least, not for me) --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 15:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

'Old' no longer working

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T54683

Is anyone else having issues loading the feed oldest-pages-first? --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 15:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Yup, broken for me too. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 15:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Shows an empty page for me as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh thank god. For a moment I thought I was going mad. Throwing in bugzilla. Ironholds (talk) 22:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

@Wtwilson3, Ymblanter, and Tikuko: browser/OS info?

Chrome 28.0.1500.95 m / Win7 --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 06:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Chrome Version 28.0.1500.95 m / Win7 too. And still broke this morning. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 11:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears to be somewhat working again for me; I have it set to 'new editors' and on a whim tabbed over to 'oldest first' and, behold, it loaded. If I untick 'new editors' it goes back to being broken, showing only a single entry. Previously it wouldn't load at all. --TKK! bark with me if you're my dog! 03:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Not working properly yet. It says "12183 pages in your filtered list" but only shows one. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 03:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Still not working. Is there any fix on the horizon? Anybody? —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 17:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Bueller? Bueller? JanetteDoe (talk) 02:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to click on the Bugzilla report and find out what's going on. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I did. Developers still appear to be slugging it out over the validity of the bug. Fortunately selecting one of the options on the bottom half of the filters pop up will make at least some articles appear. JanetteDoe (talk) 04:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)