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::On my end all the edits are dated the 15th, but I have WP set to my local time. That must be the source of the confusion. Sorry. [[User:Gamaliel|<font color="DarkGreen">Gamaliel</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<font color="DarkGreen">talk</font>]])</small> 20:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC) |
::On my end all the edits are dated the 15th, but I have WP set to my local time. That must be the source of the confusion. Sorry. [[User:Gamaliel|<font color="DarkGreen">Gamaliel</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<font color="DarkGreen">talk</font>]])</small> 20:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::No worries, thanks for stopping by to clear it up. Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 20:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC) |
::No worries, thanks for stopping by to clear it up. Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 20:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC) |
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You think adding truthful comments is "vandalizing." You're going to have to do a little better than that. Prove what I wrote is not correct. |
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John Butler and, indeed, wikipedia is better now. Thank you for your calm, mature and professional approach to a possibly difficult situation. I hope we can collaborate on another article one day.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Keithbob! Thanks for your sound and detailed answer about how to deal with a potentially POV-pushing citation process. You really helped the Teahouse guest to seek out more information and to discuss the issue before stepping into an edit war or contentious dynamic. That was great; thanks for doing it! Ocaasi t | c 17:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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Let's have a tea and talk about it :-) -- — Keithbob • Talk • 20:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Brevan Howard article - COI editor update
Hello Keithbob, I'm getting in touch because I see you've recently been active in the editing of a hedge fund's Wikipedia article. Brevan Howard is another hedge fund whose Wikipedia page has been left as a stub for a number of years. Brevan Howard thought it would be a good idea to populate it with some information on the company, rather than leaving it empty. Because I have a conflict of interest in this matter, I'm hoping to get your feedback and maybe your agreement to update it with my new version, which can be found here. I would be grateful if you could take a look and let me know what you think. DanJay000 (talk) 15:49, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Dan, Sure I'd be happy to help but it may take me a few days to get over there. I just want to tell you upfront I'm not the kind of editor who approves new drafts made by someone else and then superimposes them over an existing article. What I would be willing to do is use your draft as a resource for developing the article organically on my own. So if you are looking for a quick fix, I'm not the person you want.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:39, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
No, I want it to be right, not a quick fix. There's not much of an existing article to superimpose a new one onto, so no issues there (there's about 5 lines, some of which isn't applicable to the firm - you'll see when you get there), but we could potentially incorporate what is useful into the new draft. Thanks for your help - and just so you know, I have reached out to some other editors who were active on the page. Thanks for your help! DanJay000 (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
- thanks Dan, I'll come along in a day or two and see if I can lend a hand.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:25, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey, just a gentle "I'm here!" reminder. Really appreciate your commitment to helping on this. DanJay000 (talk) 12:10, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- OK I did some work on it today. Ping me again in a few days if I haven't gotten back there yet. I would like to caution you though that some of the text you have in your draft is not supported by the citations given. The text is sometimes a half truth of what the source says. For example:
- you wrote: $40 billion AUM as of July but the source was dated March
- You also wrote: "and manages the largest global macro hedge fund in the world as at 1 July 2013" but the cited sources says: " He [Alan Howard] now runs the biggest and best-performing firm in Europe" and the source is dated April 2013.
So there is quite a bit of misrepresentation there and it's creating a feeling of distrust in our relationship. If you have time, please go through your draft and check all your sources and make sure they support the text the cite, to the letter. Thanks!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Hey - I saw the edits you were making (thank you) and also saw the HQ go from London to Jersey to the Caymans! No fault of your own, this industry has a lot of moving parts. I think the confusion arising here is between the firm's hedge fund strategies and the firm itself (i.e. the corporate entity, which is a corporation that manages a hedge fund, not itself a hedge fund). Put another way, Brevan Howard’s relationship to the hedge funds it operates is the same relationship between Unilever (a global manufacturer HQ’d in Europe) and the brands they manufacture. I’ve addressed the issues here:
- HQ -> There's a misunderstanding between where their funds/strategies are domiciled (the Caymans), and where the corporate HQ is based (Jersey). E.g. Unilever is HQ’d in Unilever House in London, but Ben and Jerry’s, one of the brands it owns, is HQ’d in Vermont: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%26_Jerry's.
- Global vs. European firm -> The corporate entity has offices all over the world, (St Helier, London, Geneva, New York, Hong Kong, Tel Aviv and Washington), not just Europe. The corporate HQ is based in Jersey (not the Caymans!) hence they are often described as a European-based firm (in my original descriptor, it's referred to as the second largest hedge fund firm in Europe). Example: Unilever is based in Europe, but still a global firm.
- Manages the largest global macro fund in the world vs global hedge fund business based in Europe -> Brevan does have the largest macro hedge fund in the world, is still a global hedge fund business (they have operations globally) and is HQ’d in Europe (Jersey). Going back to the Unilever analogy, this is the same as saying Unilever is a global manufacturer HQ’d in Europe, and Ben and Jerry’s (which they own) is, say, the biggest ice cream in the world and HQ'd in Vermont.
- For an alternative source for the ‘largest macro fund in the world’ descriptor, see another alternative source here.
- Dates -> Apologies, I should have caught the date issue. Let’s just use the dates given in the originally sourced material, and we can update it at a later stage once more sources come out.
- I'm going to check over the sources again and will let you know once I have done. Some of the articles are going to be pay-walled. Can I e-mail you a copy of pay-walled articles? DanJay000 (talk) 19:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Yes you can email sources to me. Just ping me here when you send as I don't check my WP email every day. Also, I'm copying some of your comments to the talk page and will respond there. If you object to them being copied, feel free to delete them. Thanks, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey, following your comments I've made some changes to the opener and to the section I've entitled "Founding" in my draft. I'm also just about to send you the text to some paywalled articles. I'll reference what fact they're supposed to back in the email. I can also get screenshots of these to you if you need them too. Best 14:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanJay000 (talk • contribs)
Hi Keithbob, just to let you know I fixed the technical sourcing issues I was having, and made some changes to my draft based on all your feedback. I think this draft is better sourcing wise, hopefully you'll agree. I've also responded to the comments you made on the talk page for the company. Would be grateful if you could have another look. —Preceding undated comment added 14:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Keithbob, I was just wondering why you thought this revision was an improvement to that article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fail-Safe_Investing&diff=531837461&oldid=531836429 regards DaveApter (talk) 13:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Dave thanks for stopping by. In January I did some clean up on that article. I left some messages on the talk page indicating that. If you'd like to have a chat on the talk page to discuss the article I'd be happy to participate. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
A few more nuggets
Hey Keithbob, after I left a few comments on the talk page of your essay, I remembered that User:Ret.Prof had archived some bullet points similar to your essay for future reference. I was able to locate them here. I'm not sure if any of this material is useful, but it might give you some ideas. Cheers. Ignocrates (talk) 01:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've cited it in the talk page discussion for the essay.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
If you have time to chime in on the latest two discussion strings, it seems we still need more help to settle our differences and BLPN is just crickets. CorporateM (Talk) 16:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Archiving on Talk:David Gorski
Keithbob, when you set up archiving for the talk page for David Gorski you set the counter on the MiszaBot template at 41. I think this was inadvertent so I have tried to fix it by moving the archive created, Talk:David Gorski/Archive 41 to Talk:David Gorski/Archive 1 and resetting the counter on MiszaBot to 1. I also added the archive box since the talk header didn't seem to be functioning correctly. If there was a purpose or there are errors in my attempts to fix things, feel free to straighten it out. - - MrBill3 (talk) 03:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Those were unintended errors as I'm still learning how to set up page archiving. Thanks for making corrections and improvements. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 14:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Keithbob, no problem. I hope I explained what happened and how I tried to fix it in a useful way. I also hope my attempt worked. A couple heads up on archiving talk pages (I am in favor BTW), you may want to post a proposal on the page first stating parameters you want to use (I usually opt for a longer old date 90-180 days and sometimes vary the threads to keep). For discussions that are fundamental or of lasting importance they can be tagged {{subst:DNAU}}. Thanks for you work on WP. - - MrBill3 (talk) 15:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Your warning just showed up on my watchlist and I'm confused. The IP address hasn't made any edits since the first warning you placed there on September 15. Gamaliel (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for stopping by.
- It's possible the IP did not see the warning and is now finished. But if they repeat their behavior than a block may be in order but you can decide, if and when it happens.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 20:22, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
You think adding truthful comments is "vandalizing." You're going to have to do a little better than that. Prove what I wrote is not correct.