Talk:Ernest Hemingway

American atheist

According to biographer Paul Johnson in his book 'Intellectuals' "He not only did not believe in God but regarded organized religion as a menace to human happiness and that when he told his mother he still prayed every night that it was a lie to keep the peace with her. His mother had sent him a letter telling that he had bankrupted his account with her and among the reasons was his neglect his duties to his God and Savior. [1]

Unless someone objects to Paul Johnson's ability to be a reliable source on Hemingway, this appears to be enough evidence to place Hemingway in the American atheists category and to have a small passage on his view about religion. 97.85.168.22 (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I looked at the source, and I have the biographies Johnson used. I thought at some point there was something in here about EH rejecting his parent's religion, but can't find it. The article has degenerated quite a bit and needs some work. I'll try to swing through and see if I can work that in. As far as categories, I don't really know how those work. Victoria (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

If you search this talk page in the closed discussion you'll find a removal of [[Category:American atheists]] for lack of sourcing. It's a simple matter to add that to the very bottom of the article maybe after Converts to Catholicism? Alatari (talk) 10:08, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi sorry for the confusion! I've changed my username from Truthkeeper88 so that was me taking part in the conversation above. I don't really have a problem with atheist category - I think it's been in the article for a while, though I'd have to check history, and not convinced it needs sourcing. But I'm not opposed to adding a sentence or so or a note; just trying to think where. I believe at one point there was something about it and as I'm tidying have been searching through history, so I might be able to pull something our from an old version. Will take a few days though, if that's okay. Victoria (talk) 14:45, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem. In the source I linked above Paul Johnson touches on the disdain he had for his mother and how important that was to themes in his books. It is mentioned briefly in the personal section and then the styles sections discuss his treatment of women but the connection that Paul Johnson makes between his relationship with his mother and how he portrays women isn't made. It's a separate issue and it's just the one biographer but if other's have made the connection couldn't we under styles? Alatari (talk) 20:22, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it could go under themes but it's a stretch. I think probably stream in something in the part about his mother, and then maybe something again in the part where he supposedly converted to Catholicism and maybe a note elsewhere. Johnson's piece has a bibliography and I have many of those books, have read all of them, so am interested in looking again to see how and where they deal with it - in particular Meyers. I'll look too at the criticism to see whether it's dealt with there and see what we can put into themes. I don't think it needs a huge amount. I might give it a stab later tonight or tomorrow morning. And yes, I agree that Johnson's connection is important so there's probably no reason not to use him either. Will pull out all the sources and put on my thinking cap. Victoria (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I read every Hemingway biography since Carlos Baker's 1967 tome up through those published through the year 2000, and where did it say he was atheist? The quote, "All thinking me are atheists" comes from a BOOK OF FICTION and is in the mouth of a character that is NOT modeled after Hemingway. Johnson is NOT a Hemingway biographer. This ignores comments he made to Fitzgerald about Catholicism, the fact that he gave his Nobel Peace medal to the cathedral in Havana, and the Christian imagery in his prose. Just because someone is not religious doesn't make them an atheist. I've never even heard Hemingway considered an agnostic until I came across this.Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 03:13, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

"Supposedly converted to Catholicism"??? This is absurd.Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 03:15, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hemingway was Russian spy

• Dugdale, John. "Hemingway revealed as failed KGB spy." The Guardian. Thursday July 9, 2009.

WhisperToMe (talk) 08:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2013

The Ernest Hemingway article is full of violations of the punctuation rule that periods and commas should be placed inside final quotation marks and not outside them. In this article the comma and the period are repeatedly placed outside final quotation marks. While logically it may seem that a quote, including its final quotation marks, should lie wholly before a period, which ends the entire sentence, or before a comma, which ends the entire clause or phrase, this is not correct. Bfmcoffee (talk) 17:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC) Bfmcoffee (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bfmcoffee, our Manual of Style does not follow that rule - see MOS:LQ. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Death of Mary Welsh Hemmingway

The infobox currently says that Mary Welsh Hemmingway died in 1961, as opposed to her actual article which states that she died in 1986. Hopefully someone with editing privileges can fix this discrepancy. Sunshineplur (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Those are the years she was Hemingway's wife; in 1961 she became his widow. Pinethicket (talk) 14:43, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Missing Work

There is no mention of his memoir _A Moveable Feast_ published posthumously in 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.83.101 (talk) 06:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the works section is for selected works instead of complete list. It's written about in the article, it's in the Ernest Hemingway bibliography, it's on the navigation template at the bottom of the page - all those will link directly to A Moveable Feast. Victoria (tk) 12:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Sexting?

I just found out that Ernesto, ol' boy, sent ultra hot, sexy, and somewhat obserd letters to a popular actress at the time. more deets, references, etc to follow. User: ME