:Trolling again? See to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVlatkoto&diff=57057379&oldid=57037020 whom] I was reverting. --[[User:Telex|Tēlex]] 14:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Trolling again? See to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVlatkoto&diff=57057379&oldid=57037020 whom] I was reverting. --[[User:Telex|Tēlex]] 14:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Even so, I do not know if you have or anyone else has the right to touch other user pages. Francis is there any wikipedia policy regarding this?--[[User:Vlatkoto|Vlatko]] 18:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
== Sockpuppets ==
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::We're talking about (a long line of) sockpuppets. Check the revision history of the article. --[[User:Telex|Tēlex]] 12:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::We're talking about (a long line of) sockpuppets. Check the revision history of the article. --[[User:Telex|Tēlex]] 12:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::Francis, please see [[:Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Shivraj Singh / DPSingh]]. These were the two main subjects of the Arbcom ruling. We don't know which of them is the current Rajput vandal, or whether they were the same person from the beginning, but he is clearly related to them. This has been going on for weeks, but if he now starts following people like Telex around even into non-Rajput articles there's a new level of escalation. The only help is to get every new incarnation indef-blocked as quickly as possible once he starts editing. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 12:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::Francis, please see [[:Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Shivraj Singh / DPSingh]]. These were the two main subjects of the Arbcom ruling. We don't know which of them is the current Rajput vandal, or whether they were the same person from the beginning, but he is clearly related to them. This has been going on for weeks, but if he now starts following people like Telex around even into non-Rajput articles there's a new level of escalation. The only help is to get every new incarnation indef-blocked as quickly as possible once he starts editing. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 12:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
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Warning! Inflammatory nationalist rhetoric may be removed at any time without notification.
... the third party's weapon is not a self loading rifle but his ability without force or threats to persuade both sides to avoid violence and settle their differences by peaceful means ... - The Peacekeeper's Handbook
To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality. - The Peacekeeper's Handbook
I archive my talk page when it gets longer than is preferable. You should too!
On June 1, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Coccolithovirus, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
Thanks for the submission! I've used the image on the main page as well; feel free to mention on any future nominations that the article has a good image to go along with it. --Spangineer[es](háblame)22:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I really can't see what may be considered polemical in Vergina's page. Apart maybe from renaming certain sub-pages, which I do not consider so important. Please advise... NikoSilver(T)@(C)18:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some crackpot problems
Hi Francis, can I have your help in a somewhat sensitive issue please? I came across an editor, User:Deucalionite, who has created quite a few articles which I believe have serious quality problems (unsourced, OR, promoting fringe theories, often with linguistic topics). I have the feeling some cleanup needs to be done, but I don't want to appear to be stalking the guy, who is clearly a well-meaning, good-faith editor. I've started at Joseph E. Yahuda (a pseudo-linguistic crackpot theorist) - please see the article talk page, where Deucalionite has been rather defiant about previous objections and prod'ing proposals. I've also left a note to him on his talk page, hopefully friendly enough. Fut.Perf.☼19:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I saw you had reverted the vandalism by Cyde to the Ref/Note templates, but then reverted yourself. You were right the first time. This rogue admin has vandalized many pages, and otherwise abused administrative powers to push his individual ideas on reference styles (for example, converting pages directly contrary to page consensus; and falsely changing guidelines to indicate a deprecation consensus that does not exist). This earned him a couple RfC's so far; but unfortunately, not yet a desysop'ing, which he desperately needs.
I implore you to restore the templates to the version before the non-consenus, and basically simply false, deprecation notice. LotLE×talk21:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I award this original barnstar to Francis for his great efforts at making the Macedonia-related articles so much more peaceful a place to edit. -- Fut.Perf.☼20:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could take a look at this article. I have argued that it is based entirely on a Greek POV, and its title is innapropiate. Thanks, --A.Garnet23:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I've been mostly spending my free time in doing my stuff at mk.wiki these days (massive update of the translation), so I haven't had the time for en.wiki. I've noticed that you have problems with Macedonia and [User:Vlatkoto|Vlatkoto], I really don't know what's up with these guys... The Macedonian diaspora has some nationalistic elements, maybe it's because some of them had a really painful childhood (the exodus of Macedonians from Greece etc.). Anyways, what do you think about Macedonia's current user page. Because I know that this flag is really contentious, I would have removed it, however, it seems somewhat similar to Telex's page at mk.wiki. Are flags also belong into the inflammatory material? As for my personal POV about this flag: I really don't know how it became the "eternal symbol" of both Macedonians and Greeks, since it was discovered in the late 70's, and as far as I know, nobody had a clue about it before. However, although I really like the new flag, and the sun symbolics, I don't really condemn those who still use the old flag (doesn't mean that they are necessary nationalists or something). For example, Eurominority still uses it (I guess as something of a "self-identifying" flag of the community) This (my opinion) also applies for the Greek variant. --FlavrSavr22:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Vlatko just uploaded Image:SkopjefromSpace.JPG, which he made using Google Earth. The problem is that it is a copyvio - Google Earth includs this condition:
This Software is for non-commercial use only and your rights in the Software are strictly limited to home, personal or recreational use only by you and not for the benefit of third parties.
The region of Macedonia as perceived by Macedonian irredentists. Ethnic Macedonian nationalists have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (Greece)...
So by including it in your userpage, you admittedly identify as:
So I guess Britannica happens to be a "Macedonian" irredentist and an Ethnic "Macedonian" nationalist because they happen to use a similar map in their encyclopedias when depicting the Macedonian region as well as the terms Aegean and Pirin Macedonia. So I don't see how a simple map of the region of Macedonia which is currently being used by scholars in encyclopedias can be compared with a swastika. If you have any more questions you can ask me or better yet consult a Britanica. Macedonia20:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I highly doubt Britannica uses that map (even at all) calling it "Historical Ethnic Macedonia". Britannica is extremely sceptical regarding the so called "Macedonian ethnicity", and evades mentioning it my name whenever possible. --Telex20:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Semivowels (copied from my user page)
Regarding semivowels, I got that from lunt 1952, now he may well be wrong, or I might have confused the terminology. Can you point me at another study of Macedonian phonology? - FrancisTyers17:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'd stick with Friedman on this one. You know, that same online grammar. Friedman calls only /j/ a "glide" (= "semivowel"), while /l/, /ł/, and /r/ are just liquids - two lateral (approximant)s and one trill - i.e. the standard situation in 99% of the languages you would normally think of. There might be a lateral and a rhotic semivowel in some language, but at least I've never heard of one. --85.187.44.13107:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Francis, an article you once created as a stub, Albanisation, has been put on AfD. I haven't voted (just corrected the malformed nomination) - but I must say I wonder what you wanted to achieve with this article. It seems to me that it's doomed to be either a dicdef, or a POV dump. It's a matter of intension vs. extension: "Albanisation" as a concept (intension) is a dicdef, while in terms of extension whatever it refers to doesn't really seem to form a single coherent historical phenomenon. Of course this or that may have become "Albanised" here or there sometime in history, but does that make all these disparate historical events into a single article topic? Do we have Germanisation, Anglicisation, Swedishization, Bulgaricisation, ...? (Let's see how much of this turns blue in preview, I'm really curious.) Or is it the case that there is some particularly salient period in Balkan history characterised by a single trend of Albanian expansion, and the article is meant to describe that?
Your comments? I'll hold back any vote until I hear your opinion. I'm quite open to being convinced of the merits of the article, it's just that I can't really see it right now. The AfD nominator is an Albanian editor who seems to have issues with several Albanian-related articles. Fut.Perf.☼22:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your explanation. Seems the AfD is turning safely towards keep, and I won't oppose that. I can see now that this was part of a series I wasn't aware of.
<pieve type="pet" mode="rant" switch="on">Although, to be frank, I'm still not quite happy with those kinds of articles. Somehow there's a hyper-proliferation of ethnicities-related articles, for my taste. For every nation X, where it would really suffice to have one country article ("X-istan") and one language article ("X-ese"), these days we get one ethnicity article ("X people"), one on nationalist grievances ("Anti-X-ism"), one on irredentism ("Greater X-ism"), one on assimilation ("X-ification"). The whole "X people" concept seems suspicious to me, the very article format tends to attract ethnic essentialist thinking.</pieve> -- Fut.Perf.☼08:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
About mk.wiki
Everybody considers mk.wiki as bad? :-( Bad in what way, in particular? Neutrality? (you mean, it's worse than for example bg.wiki?) --FlavrSavr23:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you read only the latest comments :-). Now, for the user pages of Macedonia and Telex - personally I don't find them chauvinistic, but rather provocative. As for the mk.wiki, I guess you meant bad in NPOV implementation. Yes, it is bad in some articles, however, I'm under the impression that is not worse than bg.wiki, for example (el.wiki and sq.wiki I don't understand). Typical Balkan POVs do influence it. However, if you think that an average mk.Wikipedian resembles Macedonia,Makedonia, Vlatkoto, you're seriously wrong - they don't even edit on mk.wiki. The most nationalistic editor we have had, is perhaps Makedonec, who left the project because we have reverted him on several occasions. He vigorously protested why we had put both Macedonian and Greek (red and blue) Vergina star flag on the general Macedonia page, and the Greeks haven't done that. --FlavrSavr00:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and you just had to forget INkubusse, Evla, Alexander SK (aka Realek), Guitardemon666 and whole bunch of others. Dont let me present you links with curses upon curses on Bulgarian and Greek users, just like it happens here. /FunkyFly.talk_ 01:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, no worse than bg.wiki. You have some nerve FlavrSavr. The article about Macedonian language clearly presents both sides of the story, in excrutiating detail, much like en.wiki. For all the revolutionaries and tzar Samuil, the situation is pretty much the same as en.wiki. I dont see you comparing mk.wiki with en.wiki though. There are no propagandas on massive scale, like taking over parts of neighboring countries and claiming millions of people. Articles are fairly well sourced and chauvinism is under control. Most importantly, the self-determination principle is being followed, unlike at mk.wiki. /FunkyFly.talk_ 01:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nationalism, and the Balkan wikipedias
It is not only to be expected, but to be respected. Any tempering influence on the ex-Yugoslav Wikipedias (in particular, sr: and hr:) would destroy the relationship between them. At the same time, it is not all so bad that you would have the right to gasp in horror. Neither sr: nor hr: tramps more than the Serbian or Croatian media. Maybe on less, because hr: is populated with educated adults, whereas on sr:, though it is known for accomodating us punks once in a while, there nonetheless exists an internal atmosphere which will prevent any significant distortions. --VKokielov03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to see there are impartial thirds dealing with the Macedonian issues and all other exclusively Greek issues in general. I thought we should be introduced! ZITO I ELLAS! ₪Hellenic Republic₪ (T)13:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi
Why do yoy think that you are competent, how do you ditinguish whats inflamatory?. And therefore give your self the right to play with other user pages than yours?--Vlatko18:57, 06 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
here are some: Makedonia's user page, Pulvis angelis's page... I tought that every user has the page in order to expres him self, therefore he has the liberty to write and put every kind of image or text on.?--Vlatko20:00, 06 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nexm0d is right though - it's perfectly clear that we're dealing with the same language. It should be called Yugoslavic of something else politically correct. I don't know about your Serbophobic agenda, but you certainly have a pro-FYROM agenda; you reject historical facts in favour of what is written at www.maknews.com. --Telex18:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let's get done with it and ask for these features all together. There are only two points requesting your attention: (1)the foo/goo thing, which actually works and (2)a proposal for the text flow. Please comment on both. NikoSilver(T)@(C)16:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, its me again :( Maybe it is really irelevant what we are arguing about whole night, but FunkyFly has removed sourced data from the Bitola introduction. MatriX20:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis, if you want to discuss the linguistic classification of Arvanitika, then please read all the archives. There is not one source describing it as a seperate language from Albanian, whereas there are multiple sources (Trudgill included) calling it a "dialect". See this letter to see how this Arvanite at least feels. --Telex18:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Vlatkoto
Hi, I'm having trouble with Vlatkoto. There are two images:
and he won't say where he got them, or, if he made them, if he was free to use the used images. I'm afraid I don't trust his GFDL claims. About the Skopje emblem, he uploaded it and released it under the GFDL, while saying he got of from the city's website. This is too inconsistent. --Telex13:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Look, he's even edit warring with me over it [5]. He claims he made the picture, but if he made it using unfree images, then it's still a copyvio. --Telex13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)::[reply]
Telex, I created the image Skopje real using macromedia fireworks, I created also and other images, lotss of, I enjoy drawing, and I have skils. And tell me who are you to take such actions, Than tell me who made the picture Skopje real> the coat of skopje is taken from the official site. Realy you are not doing nothing good here.--Vlatko15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you took the arms of Skopje from their website, then you cannot release it under the GFDL, as it is copyrighted. You can only upload it for fair use purposes, something you clearly have not done. --Telex13:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I will review the copiright information of the images I used, And if I find problems I will ask you to delete the image.---Vlatko15:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Francis I agree, but I will upload images that can be uploaded without "problem", you know what i mean. And why is the image removed from Skopje article, I think it should stay there till we see its copiright status, we have seven days or less for. ? .---Vlatko18:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Could you please have a look at Nakhichevan? Fadix is trying to include in the article the info which he failed to substantiate on the talk page by waging a revert war. I would appreciate your efforts to mediate. Regards, Grandmaster18:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings! Regarding the Islam in the Soviet Union, I'm curious about how to proceed. There are two appraches in my mind..
Break it down in to an era by Era section, so "Under Lenin", to "under Stalin" all the way to "Under Gorby". This will mean it will be in accurate chronological order, but will treat the varying Ethnic groups as Homogenous.
Break it into a Republic, or Area, by Republic secion, so "In Tajikistan", "In Kazakhstan", even a "In Afghanistan" - This I do not favour, for while the ethnic groups do have different histories, are they significantly different enough in the context of the history of the Soviet Union?
Hi Francis, I'm afraid the story between me and Deucalionite is at a stage where some admin advice is required. Could I have your opinion? Deuc. is now taking the matter personally and is seriously enraged at me, it seems. He's been reverting a {copyvio} tag I put on a new article by him, Stradioti. I don't want to do this alone so as not to make it appear some kind of personal stalking vendetta of mine, so some outside advice would be appreciated. I've taken the freedom of asking dab too. Fut.Perf.☼17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your quick action. You're right of course about the "commerciality" clause. But looking at the deletion log now ([6]), I see an earlier version of the same page, marked as a copyvio from a mirror of the same external article, had been deleted earlier in May. I don't know if that was also created by Deuc., but wouldn't this mean it should be speedied as recreation of previously deleted article? Thanks, Fut.Perf.☼17:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You criticize bgwiki when you get the chance, but when it comes to burying mkwiki, you go all soft and "let him without sin cast the first stone". You're far from neutral - are you a closet Macedonian Slav, maybe? --Telex23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Macedonian Wikipedia is just as bad as the rest of them. And I'm shocked, you finally uncovered my secret! I'm not going to unilaterally condemn FlavrSavr just because he removed some chauvinistic BS from a users talk page. Just as I wouldn't criticise a Greek who removed United Macedonia crap from the talk page of a user on el.wiki or an Albanian who removed "Kosovo je Serbije" or whatever those nationalist fucktards write on their user pages from a page on the Albanian wikipedia. - FrancisTyers·00:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Francis, could you please have a look at the article and help end the recent edit war? The page was protected, and I think we need your take of the situation. Grandmaster10:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
About the image
I have no time, I'm on a exam tommorow. After the exam I'll see the copiright informations an will inform you.--Vlatko19:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A user moved my little (original research) research from my user namespace to the article namespace (something he shouldn't have done). After reverting him, the redirects need deleting. Thanks. --Telex20:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Vlatko
Francis, could you please have a word with Vlatko about the dangers of chauvinism. It's generally thought of as improper to present provinces of independent countries as though they rightfully belonged to another independent country. In case you're wondering, that anon is Vlatko. --Telex18:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
These articles are related with the ones I added, and the chovinism is expresed by Telex in the statement above. But Francis tell me isn't that part of their history (it seems you had made an order to me here:[8]. And please delete the image cose two of the pictures i Have used are copyrighted :-(.--Vlatko21:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that Funky is on wikipedia just for "Bubling", I knew not about the copyright of the images, admiting that, I showed that a made the mestake without a bad intention, why should i do something like that.--Vlatko15:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Francis. Sorry for dragging you into this again, but would you be so kind as to see what’s going on Nakhichevan? I personally consider Fadix’s behavior to be very inadequate, and we need somebody to mediate the dispute. Maybe you could help us to end this argument. Regards, Grandmaster06:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Francis, I've read your note on Grandmaster talkpage. I beg to disagree, the only things I haven't done is to source those footnotes you filled, because every of those were documented in the talk page and my answer to you alone contained two of them. Had this been a normal article, I would not need to cite more than 2 notable sources. I even proposed a change insteed of targeted using the word 'most affected.' I wonder what I can provide more, and the word as well is not POV. It is stupid for me to assume good faith when Grandmaster report as such a mass scale resettelement of Muslims which he doesn't document and claim he does not have to document anything. Fad(ix)19:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis, I have little patience when the person with whom I debate request something which is not available for other subjects covering the period. This should have been an easy matter, even the Ottoman until its fall did not have proper census and only was an accurate uses of record has been used in the Russian Empire in the 19th century with the punching card system. Google is a great tool, but also can become for the worst of Wikipedia. We should not use it to advance a position, but use it to confirm something. I have seriously researched in various databases, in fact even without typing the term Armenian, and I was getting results in regard to Armenians. He started a fight if I remember correctly for the migration of Armenians in Erivan, which is included in the Nakhichevan article and is unrelated with the subject, did you see me revert waring and placing this into context by highlining one of the major reasons which was the prior years Armenian immigration for Georgia? I don't know if you have followed the discussion about the etymology of the word Nakhichevan, take a look a the section: the name of Nakhichevan was altered many times, changing to: Nakshijahan, Nuhchikhan (the place where Noah landed), Nesheva and etc. This of course isen't supported by any reputable publication, had the situation been reversed he would have not wasted the time to add that officially it is recognized that it is etymologically an Armenian word. I am tired to leave things because Grandmaster doesn't want to make any concession in the fact of the obvious. This mediation was to fail, how many mediations have ever succeeded when the matter was between me and Grandmaster? This is politically motivated, and he is under constant belief that if it is highloined that Armenians were those most affected from some twisted logic the legitimity of Nakhichevan autonomous republic will be questioned. Fad(ix)21:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In Karabakh cases it was a question of semantics, this is a cases of history, haven't I sourced all the points? To resolve an issue both parties should be ready to make concessions, I have changed targeted for 'most affected' Grandmaster never proposed any amendement, it was clear for him that any referrence to the Armenians in particular in regards to Abbas decision was out of question. This in my opinion is the reason why the mediation did not succeed. You do not start a mediation when one party does not want to make amendements neither concessions. I am not saying that I am not to blame, but I won't take any blame for not documenting. Again, I stress to the fact that this is an easy issue. What is reported? Is it a position? Regardless of if Grandmaster agree or not, most reputable sources say this and this position exist. Have I made a big story over the signed declaration of Khojali massacre claiming genocide? No, I stopped interfering on that, and even you admitted it was nonesense, here the cases is documented and Grandmaster just won't listen. Fad(ix)21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I made some changes in the article about Macedonism, I tried to make the article more neutral, please look at it and tell me what do you think about?--Vlatko15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes yes, you keep inserting "Bulgarian POV" without realizing this is the only POV in existence. The term is еxquisitively used in the political sense, I dare you to point a page where it is used as "symbolizing cultural influece". Look even the Serbs use it this way, let alone Republicans and Bulgarians. /FunkyFly.talk_ 18:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, totaly diferent is that the term as it uses the name macedonia within it refers to Macedonian (as you want) political influence, and there is no need for a "google site", it refers to something macedonian, and implicating bulgarian POV makes the statements in the artical unrelevant, but if you want so, continue to do it, cose I give up, you have google here to be the smartest, congratulations. (not everithing is written "on" internet).--Vlatko00:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And for you Francis thanx for the answer.--Vlatko 00:01,14 June 2006 (UTC)
But Francis I already did it so, as you can see Funky edits the article as it is his own invention and so it "updates it", I sugest copyright ampblems to be puteed on "such articles",
Hahaha, here is your english level, Funky, the metaphore I used is to show your flexibility, cose you even don't read what one has writen, you just revert.--Vlatko21:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis, can we do something about this anonynous user claiming he is Vlatkoto. I mean what if someone else starts claiming he is Vlatkoto from another IP? /FunkyFly.talk_ 19:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Fran. The time for Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll will expire today. You're an admin, so would you care closing it? Please make special reference to two things that I think were quite interesting:
My rsp to David Ruben about 6.1: "...we will force the hidden refs that don't correspond to a non-hidden ref within the body text to produce an error, so you will not be able to include un-linked refs."
Hmmm, should we notify all voters to upgrade this bug in Bugzilla too? Also, what about the rest of them? You still won't be able to have hidden bibliographic refs and stuff. :-( NikoSilver(T)@(C)20:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the whereabouts of Bugzilla, so I guess I'm the one to notify the voters. Kindly provide me with the links for the listed bugs. I'll prepare some nice note (which must be also posted below the poll)... NikoSilver(T)@(C)21:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hope we saved the day there, I didn't wish to piss people off or anything, but darn text is apparently much less friendlier than actual talk. My intentions would be evident, if the guy was able to see my (and your, I presume) face. Now to your q: No, we want to file one according to this. Read it. It's cool!
Your intervention on that page left some points in suspense. You removed category:Hungary-related lists, but also :Romania-related lists. In the case of the latter, I have to point out (as I have did on all my replies on the talk page) that its inclusion in cat:Romania-related is perfectly justified - not by the number of Romanians listed (which would be idiotic considering several facts - including that of ethnicity not implying citizenship, therefore "Romanians" not equating "Romania", which is certainly true for Transylvanian Romanians for centuries on a row), but by the fact that Transylvania is part of Romania. Since this grouping was according to region of birth, and was not meant to imply that people on it have Romanian ethnicity or have had Romanian citizenship, it is as justified to indicate that this is related to Romania in the same way as Brttany is related to France and Bavaria to Germany. Dahn16:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Latin-Arabic Transliteration
Hi, I am intersted in transliteration from Arabic script to Latin script. I am not a programmer, so I do not understand the technical side of the job. What is your opinion on this? Is it possible? How accurate the results would be? Just let me know your opinion on this matter. Thank you very much. Bye. --TimBits03:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kurdistan Workers Party
Kurdistan Workers Party (with all names later-on) is an internationally recongnised(by EU, USA, Russia and many other individual countries) TERRORIST organization which took 30.000 lives of Turkish citizens! Stop tagging the name "militant" instead of "terrorist" as if they were fighting for a reasonable cause in reasonable manners.
--User:Kertenkelebek14:57, 16 June 2006 (EET)
And here a list of images, that I not intentionaly uploaded on in order to break the copyright policy, cose I did not understood the meaning of the GFDL licence:
What the hell do you want Fank, is this here your problem, or you are one, "just continue to not make mestakes human"!.--Vlatko22:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a list of images from TrekEarth.com Vlatkoto has uploaded as {{GFDL-no-disclaimers}}, although all content on TreakEearth is copyrighted. Here's what it says in the copyright policy section:
Copyright 2006 TrekEarth
All rights reserved. All materials contained on this site are protected by the copyright laws of the United States of America and recognized nations and states. No portion of these original works shall be reproduced or transmitted in any way without prior, written permission from TrekEarth.
Photographs from the TrekEarth Gallery section are also protected under United States and international copyright laws and may not be reproduced or transmitted in any way without prior, written permission from the respective photographer.
Yes, I did uploaded the images, not knowing what GFDL is, sorry.
Well, then would you please be so kind to make yourself familiar with the licensing issues here and list all your copyvios, so they could be deleted? Thanks in advance! Todor→Bozhinov20:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I realy do not understand where does this concerns you, but thanx. And I hope you as an editor mostly in Bulgaria related articles will add the census data regarding the macedonian numbers in Bulgaria in Bulgarian demographics history article and others relevantly regarding the mentioned subject. That would be nice and correct from your side, and will make a rightfull fighter for the global humanright policies. Thanx in advance.--Vlatko02:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, really pitfull from your side, when I asked you to explain that to me, you "pragmticly reverted mine POV", and later stated it as yours obviously, would had be nice just to be said not to be played. Really smart and mature FUNK.--Vlatko02:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Francis. I know that you are away, but whenever you get time I would appreciate if you could have a look at Nagorno-Karabakh page. We have a heated debate over the intro again, which I thought was resolved long time ago. Thanks in advance. Grandmaster06:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again. I would appreciate if you participated in the discussions on NK page. I think we need to do something to resolve the dispute with participation of third parties, because I see no end to this dispute. Regards, Grandmaster05:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
your message on my talk page
Sorry, I'm confused. I can't locate the posting that you refer to. Have I said anything about the Peerage article? Tony07:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A user User:Pecher had been made multiple personal attack against me. I have recently decided to warn him 3-times as suggested at [[10]] so that I can report him eventally at [[11]]. Hence when I had written the warning message on his talk page herethen he had removed it. What I suppose to do? I am afraid that he will soon archieve the talk section and I will not able to find the warnings. Looking for your advice. --- Faisal21:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I' can't understand again, but I'll :-(, this with the copiright and reproducing I get it, but the program and makeing it as another image is something different, some of the images that are now deleted, I had made as a glass copy with macromedia fireworks an for that I uploaded them as mine works, but cant see how did I broke the copy.... than. Can you explain that to me, please--Vlatko12:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a comment, it is an insult, please don't continue reverting, it will direct the talk page to totally different dimensions, resulting in unwanted discussions. No one has the right to insult Turkish people by calling "The Father of Turks" a murderer. There's no good-faith in continuously adding an irrelevant an biased quote to the discussion page even several times after somebody took it as an offensive. Kertenkelebek(talk)12:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's not exactly spam. It's a personal note. I don't really know Tajik, but I think it says "Hey everyone, I'm from Uzbekistan, I .... articles in this site... my email is ...". I think it's an offer to help out, though I'm not sure. But I do know it's not an article about Asia. --Node00:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow, I doubt this person knows English. Unless you know Russian, it probably wouldn't help much to e-mail him/her. --Node13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!
Thanks Francis! The african one would be fine (how greedy of me! )
Don't worry, you've aimed Toteng. Yes, there is not much to write about the village (Funny, I thought it was town, but nevermind). Well, if I find of any place (it will be town, I promise ;-)) that is not much written of, I'll write you. Regards, Bomac20:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think you can take a look at it. Someone referred the article to me, the info looks like it conforms to media reports from that time but is written in a rather sensationalistic manner akin to yellow journalism in order to garner sympathy rather than to simply inform and state facts. Some of the information looks inaccurate too, I don't think its completely habitant-less like it claims. Can you attach a tag if you think it violates one thing or another. Thanks.--MarshallBagramyan19:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just made my link section, which includes your page. I also remembered something I wanted to tell you. I was in Seattle during a pro-immigration protest a few months ago. Anyways, I was hanging out with two anarchists I had met up there and as we were leaving, we ran across a sign in Russian that said "No one is illegal" (one of the people with us is really interested in Russian related issues and hence speaks Russian). It was pretty funny. We took it back to the local infoshop where she volunteers, and as far as I know it's hanging up there now, although I was only in Seattle for a few days so I'm not sure. Next time I go back I'll have to check! The Ungovernable Force05:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unilterateral redirection
I see you moved around a lot of the stuff related to American individualist anarchism, and now I can't find it. Why did you do this without discussing with anyone on the appropriate talk pages? MrVoluntarist00:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Albanian Wikipedia was somewhat of an extraordinary case. User:Dori (of whom you may already know) had translated the entire interface and created some articles, however, he said that it wasn't fun for him to add new articles to a practically-empty Wikipedia, and so it was a nice-looking but dormant and nearly empty Wikipedia for quite some time. I decided to add quite a few country articles, one example is [14]. Whether or not it was my edits that caused the Wikipedia to become active shortly thereafter is debatable, however I am certainly the one who ended the trend of inactivity.
In most other Wikipedias, I worked really only on the Table of Contents: Limburgish (I am 24.251....), Maltese (same IP, this time I really only corrected spellings and uploaded a logo), Haitian Creole (same IP, as well as my username), Amharic, as well as similar activity on the Romansh, Georgian, Armenian, etc. Wikipedias.
The only Wikipedia whose interface I translated at all (to which I am willing to admit), with the exception of Gothic, is the Yiddish Wikipedia.
I also added some basic seed articles to the Sindhi Wikipedia before it became active (although it seems to be inactive again now).
There is also the sad story of the Navajo Wikipedia, which was the first out of all Wikipedias I ever tried to do anything for really. So far, I'm really the only contributor there. This is probably attributable to low native-language literacy rates among the Navajo (the current official orthography was introduced by the same man who shot most of the Navajos' sheep, which makes elderly people not want to use it, so mostly only the younger people know it), as well as low on-reservation internet access. I imagine though that if the Navajo were as well-connected as the Limburgians, the Navajo Wikipedia would be doing pretty well now.
When it comes down to it, there is no way to make a definite connection between my activity and the sudden expansion of these Wikipedias by native speakers. However, in most cases (main exception is Amharic), activity started within a couple of months, while these Wikipedias had already existed for sometimes over a year already. --Node13:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your action. I've done a bit on the Aegean section, but the recent edit wars seem to have been related more with the Smyrna things. I don't have much to contribute to that. I think it wouldn't be quite fair if I now applied for page protection to protect "my" new version - but if you want to protect against the warring over the Smyrna section, go ahead. Fut.Perf.☼09:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, technically, I think you need to unblock the guy first before you extend to a longer block, otherwise the shorter one takes precedence. Or has that changed recently? Fut.Perf.☼11:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, what about that other guy, SotirisVa? He's put an {unblock} request up and says something that sounds as if he was hoping for an arrangement with you. He's a newbie too and sounds as if he was genuinely willing to mend his ways. Are you going to show mercy? You didn't unblock him yet, did you? Fut.Perf.☼13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your trust in me :-) I'll keep an eye on the situation. He seems currently to be caught in an autoblock, could you lift that too? Fut.Perf.☼15:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
10:30, 26 June 2006, FrancisTyers (Talk) blocked #196233 (expires 08:47, 27 June 2006) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "SotirisVa". The reason given for SotirisVa's block is: "3rr on Greco-Turkish relations".)
If he has a dynamic IP, autoblocks are not a problem (as I discovered on mowiki when my accounts were being blocked for being to similar to those of Bonaparte :p). --Tēlex15:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Francis, I've also responded on the noticeboard. I think you're too kind with the guy. The relevant policy must be Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Expiry times and application. It says: "Disruption — For dynamic IPs, such blocks should last 24 hours. For static IPs and user names, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for increasing lengths of time." If I were you, I'd block for really long at the next juncture, and let him off only on condition that he subscribes to a zero-revert parole on that particular naming issue. That basically equals an indefinite topic ban. I think he really should not entertain hopes that after all this he should ever again have any say in Greek-Turkish geographical naming issues, unless he reforms thoroughly. Fut.Perf.☼13:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This Cat Flap lark is ridiculous
I only dropped in the other day for a reasin I have forgotten about!
Silly question, because I would have moved it back if I had known what to do. What did you do to move it back? I could just not see how to revert it. Was it hiding in plain sight?
There has been a lot of reverting going on in the Alexandroupoli artcile. (I did couple of reverts myself, too). It involves one of the users you recently blocked. Can you take a look at it? Oh, there is also a discussion going on about the issue, which started way after the reverting began. Thanks DeliDumrul13:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis I think that User:Telex has missunderstood his role as an free editor on wikipedia with an administrator, the last that he has done, was to revert the Pirin Macedonia article to a previous one, why? ...As he's saying he reverted unsourced Slav POV ... Well at least he could do is to leave the sourced added sentences like that throught the period when Pirin Macedonians enjoied free expresion prime minister of Communist Bulgaria was Georgi Dimitrov (I added to the article that he was of Macedonian descandency) <<I can source that. But not only this time all the time he only reverts and reads not what has been written. Please warn him in the future to be more flexible thanx.--Vlatko 21:51, 27 JUne 2006 (UTC)
Vlatko, it's a big claim that people in Bulgaria had more freedom of expression under a Stalinist dictatorship than now, when Bulgaria is acceding to the EU. Cite sources, otherwise such talk is nothing more than a POV. --Tēlex12:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis/Vlatko, Telex usually meddles into stuff which he is clueless about. He has no idea who rajputs are but wants to have a final word. Such users should be thrown out. Tamzigh12:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Telex, it is entering, (even a macedonian party can't be registrered in a "democratic land like". Bulgaria was condemned cose of its imperialistics delusions by Strasbourg...)... And Greece is in EU, what should I say abou the rights of the Macedonian people in this EU land? BTW Francis thanx very much for the administrative arbitration.--Vlatko20:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
BTW I have forgot to point [[16]]. Has he a right to play with other's userpages when he is not an administrator or we can just complain for that to administrators?
Even so, I do not know if you have or anyone else has the right to touch other user pages. Francis is there any wikipedia policy regarding this?--Vlatko18:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sockpuppets
Hi, could you help with a serious problem we've been having. The article Rajput and is being edited (i.e. trolled) by sockpuppets of certain users banned from editing that article in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rajput. The article is semi-protected now, but he's using all his old sockpuppets (the ones he revert warred on tens of articles with, and is doing so as we speak). Could you please do something. Thanks. --Tēlex12:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you ban the users involved per the arbitration rulling - they can be blocked for violating the rulling, something which is occuring. --Tēlex12:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Francis, please see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Shivraj Singh / DPSingh. These were the two main subjects of the Arbcom ruling. We don't know which of them is the current Rajput vandal, or whether they were the same person from the beginning, but he is clearly related to them. This has been going on for weeks, but if he now starts following people like Telex around even into non-Rajput articles there's a new level of escalation. The only help is to get every new incarnation indef-blocked as quickly as possible once he starts editing. Fut.Perf.☼12:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We've now been testing a new way of reporting each new incarnation on WP:AIV immediately to get them blocked before they can do major damage. Today there were six of them, and most were blocked within half an hour. Would be great if you could help keep an eye on AIV during the hours of the morning, that's when he's mostly active but relatively few admins are around. Thanks! Fut.Perf.☼16:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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