Talk:Nintendo Entertainment System

Legacy

is missing that NES games are STILL PLAYED TODAY for various reasons (e.g. challenge) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.122.35 (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I think there's an error in this section. "Redesigned the system so it would give the appearance of a child's toy". Weren't they designing the NES so that it didn't look like a child's toy? --Pie-jacker875 (talk) 04:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

New article

Make famicom a seperate article since it's not a nes --94.197.201.88 (talk) 23:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It's basically the same thing. By your logic we should make the PAL and NTSC NES have different articles.--Pie-jacker875 (talk) 04:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Famicom VS. Famicon

Should Famicom really be used? Since the linguistically correct translation of ファミコン would be Famicon, since it ends with a 'n' (see below).

For example, 'lolita complex'　(Kana: 'ロリータ・コンプレックス', Rômaji: 'rorîta/rori-ta kompurekkusu/konpurekkusu') gets abbreviated to 'lolicon'(Kana: 'ロリコン', Rômaji: 'rorikon'). Since Japanese doesn't differ between 'r'- and 'l'-based syllables, the 'r'-to/from-'l' interchangeability is natural. They do, however, differentiate between 'm'- and 'n'-based syllables, with the exception being kana's only single consonant, 'n' (Kana: 'ン' and 'ん' in katakana respectively hiragana), which either: A) Always takes the form of 'n'. (i.e: '先輩'　→　'せんぱい'　→　'senpai') B) Takes the form of 'm' whenever followed by a 'm'-, 'b'-, or 'p'-based syllable, which for the record, Famicon does not. (i.e: '先輩'　→　'せんぱい'　→　'sempai')

Whether B or A is used depends on which romanisation one uses. Such as ヘボン式ローマ字 ('Hebon-shiki Rômaji'/'Hepburn-style romanisation') which is focused on typing words as an American would pronounce them, 日本式ローマ字 ('Nihon-shiki Rômaji'/'Japanese-style Romanisation') which is focused on tranliterating the word as (almost) close to Japanese as possible, 訓令式ローマ字 ('Kunrei-shiki Rômaji'/Directive Style Romanisation') which is basically a revision of the former but even more similar to Japanese, etc. The only one one (as far as I know, besides outdated romanisations) that uses above B-scenario is the Modified Hepburn (which is the American National Standard System), however, Nihon-shiki and Kunrei-shiki are both standard according to International Organisation for Standardisation (with the former being the strict standard), and the latter is also the standard chosen by the Japanese government.

And since English wikipedia is very internationally inclined (Australia, Canada, UK, US, etc. have English as it's first language, after all. And many with English as their second or third language use it as well, myself included.), I personally think that the international standard should be used, especially since it's a non-American article. And if not that, then I think that atleast the modern and correct transliteration should be used. That is, no 'm' unless followed by one of the aforementioned syllables. I think it should be mentioned though that it is often (incorrectly, by todays standards) transliterated to 'famicom', however. In the case someone unsure of the nomer decides to google for more info -- in which case, Famicom would yield more results. (Kinda like with Beijing/Peking. Where one is an outdated transliteration, yet both are used. And they mention both in the article here on wikipedia.) 82.182.171.126 (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo officially romanises ファミコン as Famicom. Worldwide, including Japan. If it has been officially romanised as Famicon by Nintendo in the past, please provide a reliable source. --Grandy02 (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Also since Fasmicom is a cotraction of the English words Family and Computer is would make little sense to use Con over Com.--76.71.208.147 (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Famicon? Are you kidding me? The Super Famicom has the word "Famicom" printed right on the console. I can't believe you wasted time to write that whole discussion up. It's not Famicon. End of discussion. WAT (talk • contributions) 01:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Add

Someone add this info to the right places (like most expensive NES cart): http://gizmodo.com/5377306/strange-one+of+a+kind-nintendo-cartridge-fetches-highest-price-yet

Telephone jack in the game? New highest EVER price? 71.90.42.59 (talk) 03:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured status?

In regards to my edit of adding a 'Reception' and 'Legacy' headings on the article, I would just like to say that I am questioning the featured status of this article. There are parts, specifically presentation, organisation and sections such as the ones I added that need to be added and improved. At its current state, I do not think it is of featured status. JTBX (talk) 02:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Power Set

According to Nintendo Power, September/October, 1988 (Volume 2) issue, on page 92, the new Power Set will debut in September, 1988. This being right from Nintendo, which anyone who has this issue can verify, why is the date that the Power Set debuted on this article December, 1988? It should say September, 1988.

Better, closer out game controller image

We've only got one image of the game controller used in NA, EU etc. etc. and it's zoomed in. Do you think we can get another with it's wire in the background so it's not so close in. And of cause from a distance. That's my message really.--213.83.125.225 (talk) 12:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate citations

Citation 29 (Mattel company information) is hosted under "YourNewFragrance.com". Is this appropriate? (188.222.50.66 (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC))

2003?

I'm pretty sure they stopped production in Japan before 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.77.111 (talk) 02:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the gamecube came out in 2003 and the n64 was already out in japan in 1994. Yea some stuff on wiki is biased --94.197.201.88 (talk) 23:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC) No the GameCube came out in 2001 and the n64 came out in 1996 Jacob Steven Smith (talk) 10:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Lead section

The lead section of this article contains some unverified and dubious claims pertaining to various NES "clones". Please consider providing additional references to such information and/or moving it to a new section within the article's subject. theNHJG 02:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to see the reference to "Pegasus" taken out, or at least un-linked. A red link in an article as important as this one really shouldn't have things like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.136.4.136 (talk) 20:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Battle Kid and the Fortress of Peril

This would be the most recently released NES game. it even says so on the Sunday Funday page, I'd fix it myself but I wouldn't know how to cite correctly. 204.10.222.30 (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Noodles the bored.

cartridge memory space and the power of bank switching

It current reads: "The system supports up to 32 KB of program ROM at a time, but this can be expanded by orders of magnitude by the process of bank switching." What was the most that could be done, or was done by any game? Also, did some game cartridges have more memory in them than others? What was the most you could store on any of them at any time? Dream Focus 20:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

European "Mattel" and "NES" Versions

"The differences between the two are the text on the front flap, a smoother finish on the top and bottom of the "MATTEL Version" console and being compatible with US and Canadian NES systems."

On the last portion, does the author mean US and Canadian "cartridges"? The systems really do not interact with each other, so the statement makes no sense. --Timbudtwo (talk) 02:52, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Probably; I would imagine it means "compatible with cartridges designed/made for US and Canadian NES systems". If this is the case, it should probably be reworded to "compatible with North American NES cartridges" or something similar, since there is no real reason to list the US and Canada when simply NA will do (+ the ambiguity you mentioned). I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject myself, so I can't really say whether your assessment is correct, but that's how I read it. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 03:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Mattel was in charge of manufacturing and distribution in Europe before Nintendo made their EU headquarters and then later released to the rest of Europe. UK, Ita, Aus exclusively share Pal A (Pal B is most of the rest of EU), the Mattel version was Pal A. When Nintendo made their headquarters they took over manufactoring and therefore the only difference is the text on the flap. The Mattel versions are rare for their scarcity (only produced for short while) but nothing alse. 92.233.71.47 (talk) 09:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The "MATTEL Version", at least the European version, do have a smoother finish to both top and bottom of the unit. Saying that the only difference is that of the text on the flap, is rather misleading. As an owner of both NES and MATTEL versions, I can confirm that MATTEL used a smoother casing (The same smoothness as on the front and sides of any NES unit). But also note that early North American NES units will also have this smooth finish aswell, changed to the textured finish around late 1986 to mid 87. The reason for changing the finish of the case would have been due to the fact that it was easily scratched. Also the original text says "being compatible with US and Canadian NES systems", that is not true since these units had the region lockout chip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.235.121 (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

It should be pointed out that while MATTEL versions were similar, NES versions had different texts on the front: like "EUROPEAN version" in Germany, "VERSIONE ITALIANA" in Italy or "NES VERSION" in the UK...--Aytrus (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Is this a Nintendo office building?

building resembles an NES console — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kowloonese (talk • contribs) 17:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Um, I'm pretty sure that's CG (i.e. not real). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ^(talk) 17:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nintoaster

This should be in this article. Help me find references:

• IGN:Modder Builds Nintoaster
  • "Here at IGN we love retro mods, but we typically don't have the time to highlight every classic system retrofitting that comes across the wire. Every so often, however, one surfaces that is worth noting; the Nintoaster is just such a case..."

• The Nintoaster: Breakfast of Champions, gizmodo

• Nintoaster mod makes NES games tastier than ever, engadget

• Super Nintoaster!, escapist magazine

This is probably the most common NES mod. It has inspired numerous derivatives such as the above mentioned Super Nintoaster and the Nintoaster 64, etc. Numerous instructional videos for how to create one have been produced and they are also sold. The Angry Video Game Nerd also has been playing on a Nintoaster that his friend built him ever since the 90th episode when it first appeared. Does anyone else see any other glaring mentions of the Nintoaster that I missed?AerobicFox (talk) 03:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

finding a model #

Hi, I saw on one of those pawn shows that an original nes can be valuable and was wondering how to determine if your could be one of those Francine

finding a model #

Hi, I saw on one of those pawn shows that an original nes can be valuable and was wondering how to determine if your could be one of those Francine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.254.209 (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Korean release

I noticed that the page says South Korea calls the NES the Honda Tomboy, when it should be Hyundai Comboy. If you could fix this, it would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yolofamicom22 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hardware design flaws

The phrase "design flaws" indicates a POV that there was something wrong with the design. I feel that a more neutral phrase should be used. --75.140.157.105 (talk) 01:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

There WAS something wrong with the design. Nintendo addressed it themselves by later using standard card edge connectors and releasing the top loading NES model. I've removed your tags. Forteblast (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The poor connectors and Nes lock-out chip and the quirky "front loader" to market it not as a game console was a "design flaw" plain and simple. There is plenty of RS to support that as stated above.

I don't like the words "design flaw" since it was made that way on purpose. But, standard card edge connectors could get dirty and stop working too. I certainly remember our Snes and N64 getting like this after some time. Like the nes, I've heard of people blowing into the carts, etc. But a good alcohol cleaning got them like new again. Of course, standard card edge connectors were a tighter fit, so this sort of thing happened less, but it did happen. So were standard card edge connectors a "design flaw" too?

I'd like to add that today I have a Nes and as long as I keep the carts neatly stored when not in use, the Nes woks the first time. Once in a great while the dreaded oxide builds up so what I do is rub the Nes's connector with paper. Believe it or not, just dry. And if course, no blowing into the carts! I suspect cart-blowing increases corrosion so my "dry" cleaning method wouldn't work. 66.114.93.6 (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The System Also Known As Nintendo?

The system is not and never was called "Nintendo". I agree people incorrectly called it that, but is just that a slang, I even remember people saying "What Nintendo Tapes do you have?" but it doesn't mean it should be put in the article. Aside from websites like Vimm's Lair I don't see anyone calling it "Nintendo" anymore and don't think it should be used in the article as "the system was also known as Nintendo..." no it was never known as that officially or otherwise. Carts were never known as Tapes, it was just ignorance plain and simple. Tyros1972 (talk) 13:59, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I think you fail to undestand that Wikipedia often lists the most common names used of something. When the system was new and relevant most people simply called it 'Nintendo', the same way people commonly referred to the 2600 simply as 'the Atari'. This made sense to people considering it was followed by the 'Super Nintendo'. In fact, 'Nintendo' was more or less synonymous with video games in general in the late 80s, the same way the Atari was in the early 80s. The fact that you somehow perceive giving a common (nick)name to something as erronous seems to indicate that you are too young to remember this time period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.246.133 (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Plastic Yellowing

Perhaps this should include a bit of depth on what causes some of the systems to yellow. I've looked this up before, it has something to do with flame retardant chemicals or the plastic being exposed to light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pie-jacker875 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

cOMPETITION IN nORTH aMERICA

Added from sources of sales and the effects that Nintendos policies had on competition: "=== Competition with the Atari 7800 in North America === The NES was originally in fierce competition with the Atari 7800 in NA when it launched nation wide in 1986. Both consoles were massive success's at launch with some retailers selling out of Atari 7800's with NES's still on the shelves. It was also competitive with the NES until the end of 1988, where official sales had the 7800 dropping to under 700,000 in 1989 , and under 99,000 in 1990 according to official Atari sales figures, making it have the lowest sales drop in the history of Video game consoles.

The NES and Atari 7800 battled and brought back a then dead industry. However, Atari did not have the money for major advertising to get media attention, and also remained silent about sales most of the time with few exceptions. The NES however did, which gave the NES a huge adavantage over them and all other competitors in the market. The NES for better or worse, had the media spotlight.

The NES policies could be the reason that the NES was Nintendos best selling console till 2006. After the NES business practices were deemed illegal, developers started dropping Nintendos third-party support more and more and jumping on the competition. The Sega Master System suffered even more so for this in NA, where Sega almost had to rely entirely on first party for a lot of years after its launch in 1986.

Nintendo still has issues with third-party in NA to the current day with their Wii U 8th generation console. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakandsig (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

information on voice support?

shouldnt there be some info on how the nes was able to support voices in certain games,especially considering the hardware limits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.115.89.11 (talk) 16:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Original research

This edit is a textbook example of original research and I urge those watching this page to revert it, at least until Jakandsig can provide a reliable source to support his assertions.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

subsequent consoles

There is a portion of this article that says "set the standard for subsequent consoles of its generation" I had attempted to change this to "After" its generation because that's when the actual influence happened. However the (talk) seems to have some information that may prove this wrong or so I assume. My argument is that the Atari 7800, and Intellivision 3, and what not don't show any influence from the NES to say that it set standards. Even after the NES in the same generation, you had A laserdisc system, XEGS (which uses a joystick), and the wonder max (which uses everything but a joystick or gamepad). So of its generation does not seem to make sense unless you are taking about the Mark III Sega.

But look at the 4th generation and you will see the Genesis with a similar crossed D-pad (although the similarities end there) and the TG-16, which one could argue is an NES just reverse and had two turbo switches in the controller. Even the Lynx went and used a crossed D-pad 4th generation, the first for an Atari console (outside limited ones released with the 7800 in the UK, which I think had more to do with Sega.)

Now I am open to all arguments, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I don't think one would see the full influence of the NES until the 4th generation. Just like I don't believe you would find the full influence of the PSX or Xbox until the 6th and 7th generations respectively. John Mayor ERS (talk) 23:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

• I would agree with this. The 7800 was developed during the same time frame as the Famicom/NES, the XEGS is an evolution of the Atari 8-bit computer line, and the Sega Master System is a further evolution of a console, the SG-1000, that launched the same say as the Famicom. Certainly the redesigned controller of the Mark III/Master System must have been influenced by the design of the NES controller, but influencing one design facet of one system hardly seems like "setting a standard" for a generation. There is also no source for that statement. If anything, the ColecoVision was the system that set the standard for the console generation, as it had a direct influence on both the NES and the SMS. I have no objections to this statement being removed. Indrian (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I was going to reword it but we can remove it too I guess. Indrian, do you have a source of the Colecovision influencing the SMS? It could be useful on another page. I was able to find one for the NES but I have not found anything on the SMS. John Mayor ERS (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

• No direct source unfortunately, so it cannot really be added, but it cannot be a coincidence that the SMS uses the exact same CPU and sound chip as the ColecoVision, especially since Sega had a close relationship with Coleco as one of the first companies to license its arcade properties for the ColecoVision. Indrian (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, afraid that won't be enough to put on the CV and SMS pages sadly. John Mayor ERS (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

A NES or an NES?

So should it be a NES or an NES? Both appear in the article (and references), 3 and 6 times respectively. Naturally it depends whether you read it as "a nes" or "an en-ee-es" (or "a Nintendo Entertainment System"), but I think the same indefinite article should be used consistently throughout. Apoyon (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I think it should be a NES unless unless there is something else like the that is used instead. I would not say I bought DVD player.--67.70.140.89 (talk) 05:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

There are some cases where a is not needed. For example and food items adorned with NES-themed imagery would not need to use the term a neither would The packaging of the launch lineup of NES games. It's a case of context.--67.70.140.89 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

It would be an NES, since "en" starts with a vowel.98.243.94.83 (talk) 21:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)