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*'''Merge''' per nom; these are overlapping subcategories of [[:Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 15:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Merge''' per nom; these are overlapping subcategories of [[:Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations]]. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 15:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Upermerge''' to [[:Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations]]. None of these are actually proposed. They are under construction. If we really need to keep these in a subcategory it should be [[:Category:Under construction IND Second Avenue Line stations]] to correctly reflect the content. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 21:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC) |
*'''Upermerge''' to [[:Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations]]. None of these are actually proposed. They are under construction. If we really need to keep these in a subcategory it should be [[:Category:Under construction IND Second Avenue Line stations]] to correctly reflect the content. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 21:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Merge''' per nom to [[:Category:Future Second Avenue Subway stations]]. |
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Revision as of 20:48, 22 July 2014
July 20
Category:Port-City University League
- Propose deleting Category:Port-City University League - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Port-City University League - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Which associations a university/college is a member of is not generally a WP:DEFINING characteristic (most of the articles in this category do not mention this league in the article text, let alone in the lead). For info: This is part of a series of CFDs for membership of university associations (e.g. see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_4#Category:National_Association_of_Independent_Colleges_and_Universities_members). For info: there is a list in the Port-City University League article. DexDor (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. – Fayenatic London 08:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Fish of Great Britain
- Propose deleting Category:Fish of Great Britain - Template:Lc1
- Selective upmerge of lists only, to Fauna of Great Britain. 07:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Fish of Great Britain - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Omitted from merger of other countries at CFD July 2 because it was a fairly new and almost orphaned category. The 4 pages in it are already within Category:Fish of Europe or appropriate sub-cats,
so no merger is needed.– Fayenatic London 20:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose category also fits into Fauna of Great Britain which contains ... Fish of Great Britain (4 P) Lists of British animals (1 C, 5 P) Lists of insects of Great Britain (27 P) ... This seems like sensible categorisation. Gregkaye (talk) 02:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, but upmerge List of fishes of Great Britain to Category:Fauna of Great Britain per Gregkaye. DexDor (talk) 05:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, you are right. Both the lists should go up into that parent. And thanks; I have now put the other country- or Island-based lists in Category:Lists of fishes of Europe back into the relevant Fauna category. – Fayenatic London 07:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Fish of Europe by country
- Propose merging Category:Fish of Europe by country to Category:Fish of Europe
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Only contains Category:Fish of Russia after upmerging of all the others, see CFD July 2. – Fayenatic London 20:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:British actors who served in the armed forces
- Propose deleting Category:British actors who served in the armed forces - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:British actors who served in the armed forces - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: WP:TRIVIALCAT as the arbitrary past tense intersection of "British actor" and "British military personnel". Britain had conscription for twenty years around WW2, so many actors will have served in the forces. McGeddon (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- OPPOSE. I created the category as I couldn't find a listing of all British actors who had served in the armed forces. In the course of finding actors who fit the category I went way past the period of conscription from 1939-1960 finding actors who had enlisted voluntarily or who had served in WW1; Noel Coward for example. While I accept the largest number will be during the WW2 and post-WW2 service period I think it's an extremely useful, encyclopaedic category. SonofSetanta (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Why not convert this to a list? If would be better able to explain the periods of service in relation to their acting career. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- While a list would be better than no reference at all I still think a category would be best. I can think of several reasons why a user of the encyclopaedia would wish to take advantage of it. I know I've had cause to search the Wiki on a number of occasions over the last five years for actors who served in the war in particular. In that context it's as useful as searching for singers or actors who went to Italia Conti Academy of Theatre Arts. In terms of being frivolous why would military service be more so than where one went to school? As a serious historian I would advocate a student would be able to take advantage of the category to find out which famous British people had military service, which regiment they served in and any campaigns they were involved in which could lead to a lot of other research being achieved through the Wiki. Perhaps McGeddon's good faith nomination is bereft of any thought for military historians? With this information would he reconsider? SonofSetanta (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- Re "why would military service be more so than where one went to school?" if there are any "Actors who went to <school>" categories then they should also be brought to CFD. (Note: Category:Alumni by drama school includes people who are not notable as actors - example) DexDor (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- While a list would be better than no reference at all I still think a category would be best. I can think of several reasons why a user of the encyclopaedia would wish to take advantage of it. I know I've had cause to search the Wiki on a number of occasions over the last five years for actors who served in the war in particular. In that context it's as useful as searching for singers or actors who went to Italia Conti Academy of Theatre Arts. In terms of being frivolous why would military service be more so than where one went to school? As a serious historian I would advocate a student would be able to take advantage of the category to find out which famous British people had military service, which regiment they served in and any campaigns they were involved in which could lead to a lot of other research being achieved through the Wiki. Perhaps McGeddon's good faith nomination is bereft of any thought for military historians? With this information would he reconsider? SonofSetanta (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- Why not convert this to a list? If would be better able to explain the periods of service in relation to their acting career. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as a trivial intersection of two characteristics. In what way is one's occupation as an actor tied to one's military service? Furthermore, if there is a connection, is it equally significant for an actor to enlist or be conscripted as it is for a serviceman to become an actor? Unless there is a special connection, then this is basically part of a Military personnel by other occupation category scheme that does not (and should not) exist. If this is in fact a topic of real-world interest (i.e., one that is covered non-trivially by reliable sources), then a list is a much more suitable mechanism than a category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per comments above. There may be some "People who did occupation A and later did occupation B" categories that may be of use to some readers, but it's a recipe for huge category clutter. It's better to have a small number of categories that stand a chance at being maintained (i.e. contain all eligible articles and are free of non-eligible articles) than to have a large number of categories that can't all be maintained. DexDor (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Future New York City Subway stations
- Nominator's rationale:: consistent naming with rest of the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Speedy rename under criterion C2.C. The rest of the category appears to use 'Proposed' consistently in place of 'Future'. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose and maybe Delete. None of these are actually proposed. Some are under construction and others apparently exist and are being expanded. For those new ones under construction, they should be somewhere under the Category:Buildings and structures under construction in the United States. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's a very interesting point. At a higher level, Category:Proposed public transport is in the tree of Category:Proposed buildings and structures but not in the tree of Category:Buildings and structures under construction while actually the content of Category:Proposed public transport is a mix of both proposed and under construction. A problem is that in most countries (except for USA and UK) the amount of articles is too little to allow for a split of public transport between proposed and under construction. I'm not really sure about the best solution at this moment. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- There is no requirement to use a lower level category by country. As long as one category, usually the one for the system, is in the country, the top level under construction or planned category could be used. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- Also note that some of the planned content is for cancelled projects that belong under Category:Unbuilt buildings and structures. So cleanup is clearly needed. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Future Second Avenue Subway stations
- Nominator's rationale: The two categories seem to serve an identical purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Merge per nom; these are overlapping subcategories of Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Upermerge to Category:IND Second Avenue Line stations. None of these are actually proposed. They are under construction. If we really need to keep these in a subcategory it should be Category:Under construction IND Second Avenue Line stations to correctly reflect the content. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Merge per nom to Category:Future Second Avenue Subway stations.
Category:Basketball players from Brooklyn
- Nominator's rationale: There have been numerous discussions about creating these type of sportsperson categories below the state/province level (such as "Basketball players from New York") and we have always intentionally NOT created them. You can see a discussion from earlier this year here, however similar discussions were held previously for Portland, Oregon and Chicago, Illinois (at a minimum). Rikster2 (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Would this category fall under the same scope? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure if Yorkshire equates to state/province, but it looks like "Cyclists from Leeds" is a sub-category and it seems like that one would. Rikster2 (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Merge I think, generally, more specific occupation+city is too far for a geographical intersection. The "sportspeople from X City" and "X players from X state/province" generally are not overloaded. The New York basketball players category (arguably one of the largest of its type) is not overly large at 665 articles. More of an argument could be made for something like Category:English footballers (population 15,481), but again that is still at country, not sub-state level. SFB 20:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Category:1945 in Jordan
- Propose renaming Category:1945 in Jordan to Category:1945 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1945 establishments in Jordan to Category:1945 establishments in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1930s establishments in Jordan to Category:1930s establishments in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1932 in Jordan to Category:1932 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1932 establishments in Jordan to Category:1932 establishments in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1930s in Jordan to Category:1930s in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1931 in Jordan to Category:1931 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1934 in Jordan to Category:1934 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1937 in Jordan to Category:1937 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1929 in Jordan to Category:1929 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1920s in Jordan to Category:1920s in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1924 in Jordan to Category:1924 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1923 in Jordan to Category:1923 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1922 in Jordan to Category:1922 in Transjordan
- Propose renaming Category:1921 in Jordan to Category:1921 in Transjordan
- Propose merging Category:Years of the 19th century in Jordan into Category:Years of the 19th century in Ottoman Syria
- Propose merging Category:1860s in Jordan into Category:1860s in Ottoman Syria
- Propose merging Category:1860 in Jordan into Category:1860 in Ottoman Syria
- Propose renaming Category:1860s establishments in Jordan into Category:1860s establishments in Ottoman Syria
- Propose renaming Category:1860 establishments in Jordan into Category:1860 establishments in Ottoman Syria
- Nominator's rationale: Transjordan became independent only in 1946 and officially became the Kingdom of Jordan in 1952, hence for 1945 and before it should be regarded as Transjordan (standing for Emirate of Transjordan between 1921-1946), as OETA (1917-1921) and Ottoman Syria (1517-1917). This is in line with other similar cases to refer to contemprorary entity for the time.GreyShark (dibra) 11:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Boston Tea Party (political party) politicians
- Propose deleting Category:Boston Tea Party (political party) politicians - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Boston Tea Party (political party) politicians - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: As the party is defunct, no new articles are available to add. The only other name, for the VP candidate, was a non-notable name and that article is now a redirect to the parent. – S. Rich (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:King Edward VI High School for Girls
- Propose deleting Category:King Edward VI High School for Girls - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main article and an alumni subcategory which is otherwise appropriately categorized. There does not appear to be enough material about this school to warrant an eponymous category. If there is no consensus to delete, then the category should be renamed to Category:King Edward VI High School for Girls, Birmingham to match the main article. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:00, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, per nominator's reasoning. Category:People educated at King Edward VI High School for Girls, Birmingham is already in another suitable parent-category, and King Edward VI High School for Girls, Birmingham is already appropriately categorised too. Sionk (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Naval Battles off the Cornish coast
- Nominator's rationale: Naval battles are already categorized geographically, by the body of water in which they took place (see Category:Naval battles by sea or ocean). A new category tree for naval battles by coast is unnecessary, could result in a proliferation of categories for hundreds of coasts around the world, and will ultimately be haphazard and arbitrary because "off the coast" is not clearly defined—how close to land must a naval battle be in order for it to be considered "off the coast"? If there is no consensus to upmerge, then the category needs to be renamed to Category:Naval battles off the Cornish coast. (Category creator not notified due to inactivity.) -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:All Hong Kong Schools Jing Ying Football Tournament
- Propose deleting Category:All Hong Kong Schools Jing Ying Football Tournament - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:All Hong Kong Schools Jing Ying Football Tournament - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Non-notable Schools tournament, fails WP:GNG JMHamo (talk) 02:24, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 02:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - parent article deleted as non-notable, this is also non-notable. GiantSnowman 09:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)