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Unrecognised order

I think this article is unfairly biased. There are large sections on how this order is recognised yet no reference to how the order is unrecognised by the Holy see the SMOM and the French government. There is no reference to the controversy of the Order's continuity which is held by prominent academics in the field. For fair balance and to allow people reading the article to make up thier own mind a section highlighting this state of affairs is necessary 176.26.126.186 (talk) 13:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Anon, do you have other sources for your POV than self-published blogs?--Yopie (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Holy See from the Vatican's official website: http://www.news.va/en/news/note-of-clarification-from-the-secretariat-of-stat
Guy Stair Sainty is a well respected herald and historian - this is a well referenced piece of work by him: http://www.stelling.nl/vrijmetselarij/ridders/lazarus_sainty.html
The ICOC is a recognised institution, here is an outline on the Order on it's website: http://www.icocregister.org/premise.htm

I suggest that this information be included into the article. There is need for correction, especially in the part were it seems the order has support from the Catholic church. The Vatican has made it very clear that the order should not be allowed to use its churchs and chapels as it is unrecognised90.198.49.25 (talk) 19:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 *Dear Anon, do you have other sources for your POV than self-published blogs?--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 16:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
+*Holy See from the Vatican's official website: http://www.news.va/en/news/note-of-clarification-from-the-secretariat-of-stat
+*Guy Stair Sainty is a well respected herald and historian - this is a well referenced piece of work by him: http://www.stelling.nl/vrijmetselarij/ridders/lazarus_sainty.html
+*The ICOC is a recognised institution, here is an outline on the Order on it's website: http://www.icocregister.org/premise.htm
+I suggest that this information be included into the article. There is need for correction, especially in the part were it seems the order has support from the Catholic church. The Vatican has made it very clear that the order should not be allowed to use its churchs and chapels as it is unrecognised[[Special:Contributions/90.198.49.25|90.198.49.25]] ([[User talk:90.198.49.25|talk]]) 19:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)