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Romanian ''viațǎ'' is irrelevant for the comparison of the outcomes of "vīta", because it is deemed to be descended from ''*vīvitia'' http://m.dexonline.ro/definitie/via%C8%9B%C4%83 (''vīta'' would have simply given ''vitǎ''). [[Special:Contributions/37.190.148.74|37.190.148.74]] ([[User talk:37.190.148.74|talk]]) 00:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Romanian ''viațǎ'' is irrelevant for the comparison of the outcomes of "vīta", because it is deemed to be descended from ''*vīvitia'' http://m.dexonline.ro/definitie/via%C8%9B%C4%83 (''vīta'' would have simply given ''vitǎ''). [[Special:Contributions/37.190.148.74|37.190.148.74]] ([[User talk:37.190.148.74|talk]]) 00:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

== Standard Italian ==
The article rightly states that 'standard Italian', based on Tuscan, was adopted by the State after Italy unification (1861). That may give the impression that before 1861 standard Italian was not in use. That's wrong. Actually, standard Italian had been adopted by all pre-unitarian Italian States as official language since centuries, and was then used even beyond the current boundaries of the Italian republic, for instance in Corsica, in the region of Nice, in Istria, in Malta. Only two areas of current Italy did not have standard Italian as official language: Aosta valley (which used French) and South Tyrol (province of Bolzano), which had German (except for very few areas, where German shared its status with Italian). The last region of Italy to adopt officially standard Italian was Sardinia, in 1721.

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Comment

"Italian is descended from Latin. Unlike most other Romance languages, Italian retains Latin's contrast between short and long consonants. As in most Romance languages, stress is distinctive." Speling12345 (talk) 8:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Italian is a recognized

Italian is a recognized minority language in Israel. Speling12345 (talk) 8:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox was a complete mess. Someone seems to have thought that "recognized minority language" refers to any country where even one Italian speaker lives. No, it does not. Recognized minority language means that the legislation of the country recognizes Italian as a minority language. Furthermore, "native to" is another heading that does not cover every country where the language may be spoken by someone.Jeppiz (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

I've fully protected this page in accordance with the protection policy for edit warring. Please take this opportunity to discuss the disputed changes, rather than edit war. If a consensus is reached prior to the expiry of the page protection (10 days), I or another administrator may unprotect the article. I the protection lapses and/or there is no agreement if any discussion happens here, the protection could be extended and/or users may be blocked. The same is true if edit warring continues at any time once the protection is no longer in effect. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Rjd0060 (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a bit over the top, as there is no content dispute, only silly vandalism. An IP with next to no prior edits kept inserting bizarre claims, such as Italian being native to Ireland and Japan, or Italian being a recognized official language in countries like Bulgaria, Mexico or the US. The IP never discussed or gave any reason for the edits, so I don't really see it as a content dispute. Surely Rjd0060 does not mean we should discuss if Italian is native to Japan or if it's an officially recognized language in Mexico?Jeppiz (talk) 19:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no protection template, please tag the page with a protection template. Thanks! Thewikiguru1 (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there were an edit war afoot, it would seem to be about infobox content, specifically what qualifies as a "recognized minority language." I'd be grateful for a link to the Wikipedia instructions for deciding what qualifies in that regard. In any case, limiting this to language status codified in nationwide legislation on the part of the state that perhaps grudgingly contains the minority would not be the right thing to do. The nameless IP contributor seems to have aligned the content with what I find elsewhere in the encyclopedia. The claim for Japan seemed especially absurd to me, as well, but there does appear to be some internal evidence for such a fanciful statement, alongside other lists of where Italian is spoken. Then again, perhaps Japan was vengefully added just to piss Jeppiz off. Putting the list into the native category on a later edit might possibly have been a slip of the mouse. From my perspective, the only thing that proves the reverted edits were indeed vandalism is the contributor's refusal to discuss what s/he was doing. As the infobox stands, worldwide recognition for Italian does seem excessively downplayed, with only Slovenia and Croatia. If that truly matches our strict definition of the category, something must be wrong with the category. Regardless, let's quickly achieve consensus on this because Wikipedia surely deserves a better article on Italian than the one we have now, so the page needs to be welcoming improvement, any attempted improvement it can garner. - phi (talk) 12:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Florida and Canada

The U.S. state name Florida nowadays is always pronounced ("de facto") as Flòrida:

same thing for Cànada instead of Canadà

--Mirandolese (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"All varieties"

What is that supposed to mean in the infobox, "85 million all varieties"? --JorisvS (talk) 16:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

The introduction right now claims Italian to be spoken in countries such as Bosnia, Albania etc. That is highly misleading, there are hardly more Italian speakers in Bosnia than Japanese in Ireland. I know Ethnologue is used as a source, and that is (once again) the problem. As has been said in a large number of language articles, Ethnologue is not a reliable source, it's filled with errors. I'm going to remove this sentence unless a reliable source is presented.Jeppiz (talk) 12:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, thanks for reverting that ridiculous addition. --Nemo 18:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Italian in other countries

That vandalizer proves he knows very well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.133.107 (talk) 10:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ITALIAN IST THE 4TH MOST STUDIED LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD, EVEN MORE THAN GERMAN

http://becomingitalianwordbyword.typepad.com/becomingitalian/2014/06/italian-is-the-fourth-most-studied-language-in-the-world.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.46.203.98 (talk) 18:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Correction request ("Phonology" section)

Romanian viațǎ is irrelevant for the comparison of the outcomes of "vīta", because it is deemed to be descended from *vīvitia http://m.dexonline.ro/definitie/via%C8%9B%C4%83 (vīta would have simply given vitǎ). 37.190.148.74 (talk) 00:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Standard Italian

The article rightly states that 'standard Italian', based on Tuscan, was adopted by the State after Italy unification (1861). That may give the impression that before 1861 standard Italian was not in use. That's wrong. Actually, standard Italian had been adopted by all pre-unitarian Italian States as official language since centuries, and was then used even beyond the current boundaries of the Italian republic, for instance in Corsica, in the region of Nice, in Istria, in Malta. Only two areas of current Italy did not have standard Italian as official language: Aosta valley (which used French) and South Tyrol (province of Bolzano), which had German (except for very few areas, where German shared its status with Italian). The last region of Italy to adopt officially standard Italian was Sardinia, in 1721.

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