Talk:Ray Rice

Name

Shouldn't his name be Ray Rice? I've never heard him called Raymell and nearly every page linking to this article links to Ray Rice. --Thomas.macmillan (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Career

Recent edits make it sound like he's retired or out of the league. He was cut from a team and is currently suspended, but his career is not over. He's 27 and an elite running back- he'll most likely sign with another team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.168.89.20 (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

He averaged 3.1 ypc last year...hardly "elite" anymore. By most accounts, he's probably done in the NFLPaleolithicus (talk) 19:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS

Ray Maurice Rice has had his runs in with the law in Maryland:

Court System: DISTRICT COURT FOR CECIL COUNTY (ELKTON) - TRAFFIC SYSTEM Citation Number: 0000004F80B6K Case Status: CLOSED CASE Violation Date: 02/02/2014 Violation Time: 02:07 PM Violation County: CECIL COUNTY (ELKTON) District Code: 03 Location Code: 02

Defendant Name: RICE, RAYMELL MAURICE Address:2415 TUFTON SPRINGS LN City: REISTERSTOWN, State: MD Zip Code: 21136 Race: BLACK, AFRICAN AMERICAN Sex: M Height: 509 Weight: 205 DOB: 01/1987

Charged and convicted as follows:

Charge Information Charge: Article: TA Sec: 22 Sub-Sec: 406 Para: I 1 Code: Description: OPERATING VEHICLE ON HIGHWAY WITH UNAUTHORIZED WINDOW TINTING MATERIAL Location Stopped: S/B 95 @ MM 97 Contributed to Accident?: NO Personal Injury?: NO Fine: 70 Vehicle Tag: 8BC3467 State: MD Vehicle Description: 13LNDR05

Drives a 2013 Land Rover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.156.47.158 (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think a $70 fine for driving a vehicle with "unauthorised window tinting material" is worth mentioning in any article.--EchetusXe 21:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

the motherfucker hit "his" wife: http://www.bild.de/sport/mehr-sport/nfl/pruegel-video-erschuettert-amerikanischen-football-37592684.bild.html

That's well known now but it would not be in a convictions section since he has yet to be convicted of the assault (as obvious as it was). The only conviction we can add currently would be the tinted windows fine which is not needed.--76.65.41.36 (talk) 02:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2014

The video does NOT show rice "punching" Palmer. The video is not clear and it is not discernible whether he is trying to push her away or hitting her. The video does not show any actual contact between Ray's hand and his fiance.

174.23.184.102 (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

There are at least two reliable sources in the article that say the video shows him punching her. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 23:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your point is 174.23.184.102. Although in slow motion the video is a little clearer, it's immaterial whether he pushed her or punched her. He still assaulted her and knocked her out. And he has admitted he did it both publicly and in court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbs527 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Now that the initial rush is over, let's do a better job of writing an encyclopedia article. I suggest rewriting the lead section as follows.

Raymell Mourice "Ray" Rice (born January 22, 1987) is a professional American football running back. He played college football for Rutgers University and was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens in the second round of the 2008 NFL Draft. He is ranked as the Ravens' second all-time leading rusher behind Jamal Lewis (7,801) with 5,940 yards, and is also second in rushing attempts (1,273) and rushing touchdowns (37), and third in combined touchdowns (43).

Rice was arrested and subsequently indicted for third-degree aggravated assault on March 27, 2014, relating to an incident where he punched his girlfriend in the face.[1] The blow knocked her unconscious.[2] The incident became a prominent controversy after TMZ released a video of the encounter. Rice's contract was terminated by the Ravens on September 8, 2014, following the release of additional video footage of the incident, and he was indefinitely suspended from play by the National Football League. The case has led to an NFL policy change regarding how it handles domestic violence cases.

This version more closely follows the development of events as reported by the sources. It keeps the career in the first paragraph and the controversy in the second paragraph, which follows the style established by other WP articles about other athletes who have become embroiled in major scandals. Let's discuss this and then, if we have consensus, make the edit. Dave77501 (talk) 13:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The only edit I would make is unless and until he gets hired by another team it should read "Raymell Mourice "Ray" Rice (born January 22, 1987) was a professional American football running back." on the first sentence. Otherwise it indicates that he is still in the employment of the NFL. Justin Warrick (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014, Reference of Personal Profile of Ray Rice

http://radaris.com/~Raymell-Rice/918817351 Jessica M002 (talk) 19:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Free agent vs indef suspended

There's been some edit-warring about whether to refer to Rice as a free agent or as indefinitely suspended in the lede and in the infobox. Is there a chance a consensus can be reached here? Are "free agent" and "indefinitely suspended" mutually exclusive - could both be listed? What do reliable sources say? Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 18:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I think we've achieved some kind of understanding by maintaining the indefinite suspension in the opening paragraph, but showing "free agent" in the infobox, as other sports players in similar circumstances have historically been listed as free agents. Personally, I think this whole issue is between Mr. and Mrs. Rice, however there was a video of their domestic altercation which is quite impactful. Had there been a video of one of Michael Vick's dogs getting mauled, he probably would've been in worse trouble than he was. Anyway, my point is that "free agent" in the opening paragraph does not at all accurately reflect Ray Rice's current status or future as an NFL player. Terry Foote (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

This makes sense to me; with the suspension mentioned in the very first sentence, there's no appearance of whitewashing in my opinion, and from what I've read so far, "free agent" is accurate, however unlikely it is that he'll play again. Who knows, maybe he'll end up in Canada. Unlikely, but Ochocinco is a Montréal Alouette at the moment, so it's perhaps not entirely impossible. My point is just that he'd be considered a free agent by the CFL. (It goes without saying that more discussion, dissenting opinions, etc., are still welcome.) Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The title "free agent" misinforms readers. He is currently "indefinitely suspended" from the NFL. Let's use that title rather than "free agent" unless he decides to play elsewhere. What do reliable sources claim him to be? If sources call him a "free agent" then I would support using that title; otherwise let's go with "indefinitely suspended". Meatsgains (talk) 05:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Who was arrested?

One paragraph starts off saying that both the man and his fiancee were arrested. But there is no more mention of the woman's being arrested. Why is that? Were charges against her dropped? Is the statement that she was arrested incorrect? Is what later transpired in terms of her arrest considered by Wikipedia as unimportant?211.225.33.104 (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)