Talk:Armenia

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014

Citation is not provided since 2009, please remove: As with various other ethnic groups who lived in the Soviet Union during Stalin's Great Purge, tens of thousands of Armenians were either executed or deported. MahSim (talk) 08:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Done. I am treating this as a good-faith challenge to material that was originally tagged as being uncited nearly 5 years ago. I have no objection to re-adding this statement to the article if it is properly sourced. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

UN Map?

I noticed the addition of this map not long ago:
I haven't seen it on another country's article and, especially with the OCHA logo and the "ARMENIA" heading, feels a bit odd and misplaced. Kentronhayastan (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

There is a discussion taking place about it at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geography#UN_Maps_in_country_infobox. You are welcome to join.Alex2006 (talk) 16:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

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Repetitive usage of the same pic

Hi,

One of the administrators, Alessandro57, reverted my removal of the repetitive image from Armenia site. At his recommendation, I'm re-posting my reason here and provide additional details.

Note that I explained the reason in my original post on Armenia site as well. This image "File:İrəvan qalasının Çar Rusiyası trəfindən alınması.jpg." is the same as on Yerevan site (capital of Armenia) and on Erivan fortress site (the old Yerevan). Note that no other picture repetitively appears in all those sites. I think the administrators should watch for these instances and prevent such cases themselves.

This picture is not of such importance to be represented in all three sites, especially on the country (Armenia) site, unless there is some hidden reason for this. If the goal of the picture is to show old Yerevan fortress, then "File:Erivan1796.jpg" better reflects that reality depicting both the whole fortress, an Armenian church and a Persian mosque. If it is to show the battle between Russians and Persians for Yerevan, then it could stay only on Yerevan site, since there was no much Armenian involvement in this event. Yet, it is clear that it would have been better then to use some painting depicting a battle between Armenians and invaders of their homeland.

Most likely, the reason is for showing that Yerevan had mosques and nothing else, and, therefore, it was a predominantly Muslim city. It is not surprising that there were mosques in the city since the area of modern-day Armenia has been under Persian rule for several centuries. If this is the case, then the picture is misleading, as Muslims, in spite of their large proportion at some point in history, never dominated the city and the existence of numerous Armenian churches in the city in that period is also well-known.

Probably, the administrators should first of all note the origin of this picture file and users who prefer seeing the image in question on all sites related to Armenia.

Regards,

Cyber-Policeman (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Europe?

Armenia is listed as a country in Europe, but according to modern definition, Armenia is entirely within Asia. --Vitzque (talk) 17:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed - Thanks for pointing this out, Vitzque. Actually, there's nothing in the lead or body of the article claiming Armenia to be Europe, but there were two categories which were incorrect (Eastern Europe + Countries in Europe). I've removed the categories.

• If Armenia is truly not at all in Europe and is not bi-continental, then there is a whole lot more to change in WP than just this, in articles, in categories, in templates. Is there some fact conflict here? Are there reliable sources stating Armenia is entirely in Asia that can be used as justification for all changes--one way or another. Hmains (talk) 03:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

There's no argument against its being European by proxy (that's all in the body of the article), but I've yet to find any sources (even going back in history) that places it as being in Europe or considered European. Do you have sources to suggest that it is considered to be Europe? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I only am pointing out that various items in WP show that Armenia is a bi-continental country, with part of it in the Continent of Europe (as defined somehow or another) as well as in the continent of Asia. I don't do research. Someone can try to figure this out so that WP can be made uniform in its treatment of Armenia in ALL its articles, categories, templates and so on. Hmains (talk) 02:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• The following is found in content of this article: "Armenia is also a member of the Council of Europe, maintaining friendly relations with the European Union, especially with its member states such as France and Greece. A 2005 survey reported that 64% of Armenia's population would be in favor of joining the EU.[78] Several Armenian officials have also expressed the desire for their country to eventually become an EU member state,[79] some predicting that it will make an official bid for membership in a few years. In 2004 its forces joined KFOR, a NATO-led international force in Kosovo. It is also an observer member of the Eurasian Economic Community and the Non-Aligned Movement." This makes it appear that Armenia is part of an expanding Europe, regardless of continental definitions. Hmains (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware of this, Hmains. I know categories can be extremely problematic, but Armenia's affiliations with European bodies are, at this point in time, just that: affiliations. I also recognise that the concept of 'Europe' has been changing with the expansion of the EU, but whether Armenia will become an EU country (and be recognised as being 'Europe' as such) is WP:CRYSTAL until definitive, RS sources can be introduced. Putting the cart before the horses is OR. This would need to be discussed with other neutral editors. It would be appreciated if you would self revert re-adding the Countries in Europe category. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I have no interest in this one way or another--I was only pointing out what I found. And I only reverted the changes that I myself made, not the work of anyone else. Feel free to change things as you wish. Hmains (talk) 00:21, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

In all honesty, I don't have a position on the issue. I really only have this article on my watchlist as the result of POV edit warring on all ex-Soviet nation-states (which is the area I do most of my editing in). I simply responded to the observation. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:14, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Population

Whats the official population of Armenia? I keep hearing Armenians claiming its under 1.5 million and the government is lying, yet they provide no source. WTF is going on with the population, demographic trends, and emigration in Armenia?