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Removal of Defamatory Statement

I have removed a defamatory statement about ethnic Vietnamese from the article. Some one appears to have exploited that statement in order to perpetuate abuse elsewhere. 122.105.145.188 (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What was "defamatory" about "He is also considered one of the ancestors of the Vietnamese people" and giving his name in Vietnamese, Vietnamese: Thần Nông?? [1] The statement is unsourced, but that's about the only problem I see there. I've restored your removals since even the vi:Thần Nông says so: "Theo truyền thuyết phương nam thì Thần Nông là tổ tiên năm đời của Lạc Long Quân. Lạc Long Quân và Âu Cơ được coi là tổ tiên của người Việt." Lupo 10:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is very interesting. The above text mentions a couple of famous figures in Vietnamese history. Does "Thần Nông" refer to the same historical figure as "Shennong"?

In any case though, the "unsourced statement" does not make clear how "Shennong" fits in Vietnamese history. It may also give the impression that the Vietnamese are somehow related to the Chinese even though a litany of Vietnamese historical accounts say - again and again - that the Vietnamese people have no relation with the Chinese people and that the former often had to fight against the latter in order to avoid being conquered.

Sorry if I sound annoying or long-winded, but I came here originally because I noticed some vandalism at Talk:Saudi Arabia, namely that an inappropriate username has been used. I checked the contributions and I was led to this article. I thought that there was an erroneous statement in the article that appeared to have motivated a user into using an inappropriate username to describe Vietnamese people and then inserting his or her ridiculous points of view into various pages. It is a shame that this user is still allowed to edit, just under a different name. The offending user account can be found here. 122.105.148.204 (talk) 10:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that was the reason. It's not unusual that the same mythological figure appears in the myths of several peoples. That doesn't say anything on the real biological descent of those peoples.

The sentence "He is also considered one of the ancestors of the Vietnamese people" as well as the interwiki link to the Vietnamese page were added on May 31 and July 1, 2005 in these two edits by User:DHN, who is an admin and a bureaucrat at the Vietnamese Wikipedia. I've left him a note; maybe he can explain and provide a reliable source for this statement. Lupo 16:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DHN is in Vietnam for the time being but I'm sure he'll chime in shortly. In the meantime, please see the sources here. Badagnani (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My response to 122.105.148.204 AKA David873 the blocked troll

According to a research study done by the Hopital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals," with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations^[1]. According to another research by the Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taipei, Taiwan, the Vietnamese people are classified in the same genetic cluster as the Miao, Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyei and Thai, with a divergent family consisting of Singaporean and Thai Chinese, Minnan (Hoklo) and Hakka.^[2]

^ Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

OWNED 174.83.176.209 (talk) 00:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above signature was forged in this edit by User:162.83.176.209 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), who created the entry above in this edit.LeadSongDog come howl 17:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yandi

All Shennongs are called Yandis, but the mostly-said Yandi is the desendant of the mostly-said Shennong. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can fix the wrong information in the article yourself. --George (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite. Oc t ane ^{[improve me?]} 06.04.09 0028 (UTC)

No, I'm not an expert. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 12:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not an expert in what ? If you're not experienced in Wikipedia, you may ask for help on correcting the page. If you're not an expert on the matter, how can you say that the content is wrong ? In both cases, the only valid solution is to improve the article. Just putting a "wrong content" sign on the page can't be considered a contribution.--Webwizard (talk) 11:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not an expert on the matter, but as far as I know, the relation between Shennong and Yandi is quite disputed, and since then, I don't know which idea to use. No matter how the expert dispute it, such statement as "also known as the Yan Emperor" is not proper for Wikipedia. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 03:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The relationship between Shennong and Yandi is problematic. This is bound to be the case when dealing with figures that are not historical. Shennong and Yandi cannot be said to be factual, historical figures. The facts regarding them are those of mythology, legend, and popular culture. Some facts are clear, for example that Shennong and Yandi are not one and the same (although not necessarily completely different). It is also clear that the various myths, legends, stories do not all agree with each other -- and, as such, cannot be expected to do so. Dcattell (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On Emperor versus Sovereign

Since Qin Shi Huang was the "First Emperor," that is, of a unified China, perhaps some other term should be used for should be used for previous figures such as, Shennong, Yandi, and perhaps even Huangdi. See: Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, also Emperor of China and Chinese sovereign. Dcattell (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of Axe

It happened in the lower paleolithic age, right?

ThomasMP (talk) 00:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Chinese translation of his scriptures....???

http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?as_q=Shen+nong+Classic&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en

--222.67.209.37 (talk) 07:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?q=Shennong+Classic+%E7%A5%9E%E5%86%9C&hl=zh-CN&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=

--222.67.209.37 (talk) 07:41, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=2000&q=Shen+Nong%27s+Chinese+Materia+Medica

--222.67.209.37 (talk) 07:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Preserving stored seeds by using boiled horse urine?

Any ancient sources for this? because I couldn't find any... The duke (talk) 19:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[NCBI-1] Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[NCBI2-2] Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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+Any ancient sources for this? because I couldn't find any... [[User:The duke|The duke]] ([[User talk:The duke|talk]]) 19:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)