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June 2015

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sega Sports R&D, you may be blocked from editing. You know full well what you're doing - that was blatant vandalism, and you know it. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• I was going to reply to your ping of me on Lukeno's talk page, but he removed it before I could post my response, so I'll say it here:

I'm getting tired of telling you to write Wikipedia content according to what reliable sources say. This isn't the first time. See WP:VG/S for a list of sources to use or not use. (You'll see, for example, that IGN and Polygon have consensus for being reliable, while MobyGames does not.) You don't need to believe them blindly, but I find it unlikely that two mainstream sources like this both messed up a basic detail like this, and you haven't provided reliable counter-examples. Every time - go by what the reliable sources say.

• Also, if you make any more blatantly disruptive edits like the one Lukeno is talking about above, you'll be blocked from editing. Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
  • @Sergecross73: But I have provided a counter example one from Nintendo.com and the official credits (disregarding Mobygames, the extracted inside is the matter, which if that does not count I'll point to YouTube, and seeing the credits being displayed).--Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Here's a NewsWeek interview, with a Sega Rep directly stating that the Sega Sports team was working on it (at least the first title, though I doubt they've ever handed it off to another team.) Sega Sports is part of Sega, so its not like calling the developer "Sega" discounts "Sega Sports" as a developer - ones just more specific than the other. Just like it would be right to say that Fire Emblem is made by Intelligent Systems or just Nintendo, because one is part of the other. Sergecross73 msg me 14:15, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    • @Sergecross73: It mentiones Sega's sports team, not Sega Sports as a seperate idendity. Yes Sega has a sports team that existed for about a year: specifically created for sports. That didn't last long...http://www13.atwiki.jp/game_staff/pages/603.html#id_307af977 it quickly became a "consumer" studio in about 2008. Here is another mention http://www.1up.com/features/last-arcade-crusaders (...arcade amusement departments comprised of six specialized departments - sports, consumer, etc.) of a Sega sports division existing in Sega of Japan as well. Meaning that Virtua Tennis 3 could be part of Sega's Sports team? No it is usually credited to something else.Sega has had divisions internally for Sega CD, 32X, PC, mobile games...they don't have their own pages...and having Sega Sports as the single exception is inconsistent. As I pointed the credits and official website state nothing of a Sega Sports division existing. Intelligent Systems and Nintendo are an entirely different matter. Intelligent Systems (note the Co., Ltd. moniker) is an official firm, listed seperately in official reports, noted in the titles screen and credits of the games. They also have their own website.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 15:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
      • ...Is that what you're proposing? That "Sega Sports" doesn't even exist? I don't follow at all. Why would reliable sources (IGN, Polygon) and actual Sega Employees be talking about something that doesn't exist? (I find it hard to interpret "Sega's sports team" being anything other than referring to Sega Sports.)
      • Anyways, like always, if you and Lukeno can't come to an agreement on it, then you need to start up another separate discussion at the WP:VG talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
        • It existed, but my argument is that it shoudn't have a page. And Polygon and IGN can be wrong at times, they likely just saw the uncited wikipedia claim to begin with and just added it to their page, just like the Yakuza series having the Amusement Vision moniker on GameSpot/IGN etc., which I removed a while ago on Wikipedia.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
          • I think you're grasping at straws here. You don't know where IGN/Polygon got their info from, and quite frankly, I think its much more of a stretch to buy into your proposal. You're saying there's no "Sega Sports", but there's something referred to as a "Sega sports team" within Sega, but they're not called that, even though reliable sources call them that. Like I said, you're not convincing anyone here, so its time to start a discussion somewhere there will be more participants, or drop it. Your call. Sergecross73 msg me 16:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

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Advice on creating articles.

Read through this: Wikipedia:Your first article. When you create an article you need to make sure you establish notability (Wikipedia:Notability). That means significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. Also check WP:VG/S to find a list of video game sources that are generally considered reliable or unreliable. --The1337gamer (talk) 19:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Iizuka the head of CS2?

Nothing I have seen indicates that he has any involvement with Phantasy Star, Puyo Puyo, or other CS2 products. Out of curiosity, do you have any sources to back that up?TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@TheTimesAreAChanging: Very late on this, but here it says Division Manager of CS2: https://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/ar2013/present/present_01.html

Good find. Come to think of it, Iizuka may have been mentioned in the credits of some recent Puyo Puyo games, but never in any Phantasy Star entry that I know of. Your source almost makes me question whether CS2 really is currently handling Phantasy Star. Can you prove that as well?TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 16:55, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

@TheTimesAreAChanging: So, I listed some games unrelated to Sonic and Puyo and they are indeed not part of CS2, but simply just in-house, but made by members who were involved with Sonic Team games before (PSO obviously). Which is what I referred to in the article, and also put references for each game where each developer can be found with a description what they done before. Phantasy Star is in the Online R&D division http://sega-games.co.jp/csol/recruit/career/--Tripple-ddd (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Sega articles

Minimal bios such as these will get deleted unless they are substantially expanded, and referenced. There need to be sufficient sources to prove the material in the article, and the extent of the work has to be notable. I'd advise you to see to this very quickly. DGG ( talk ) 12:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Blocked

• I have heard far too many complaints about you not following rules and not playing nice with others. Your recent edit at the Sega article, where you clearly made an edit against consensus, pushed it over the line. When you return in a week, follow consensus, edit collaboratively, and make edits according to what third party, reliable sources say. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

@Dissident93: "Who is saying it should stay aside from you? BlusterBlaster seemed to accept the edits. Also read the added paragraph, keeping both sentences would be redundancy." You have not responded to this sentence, and the matter is unrelated to the discussion that was months. Please be clear with communicating as you continue to ignore specific conversations and points and rather generalize and see every edit with the same intent. Participate in responding to specific points. Like what do you actually think of me adding that mobile paragraph with the intention of replacing the thing you added? Why aren't you ok with it? What do you think would be better for it?

• FWIW, I found out about the block and clarified the situation on Sergecross' TP here, but circumstances around the block notwithstanding, the general consensus among other editors is that there's an issue with your approach. ^BLUSTER⌉⌊_BLASTER 14:41, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Hisashi Suzuki for deletion

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Nomination of Masami Ishikawa for deletion

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New section

@Sergecross73: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Banner This user has reverted on of my articles and made delete notifications on other articles, without any sort of explonation...

I don't see any wrong-doing here. A week ago, you created some extremely short articles with very few references. On the same day, on this talk page, you were notified that they didn't really adhere to Wikipedias notability guidelines. A week passed, and you didn't really improve them at all. It's only natural that someone nominate them for deletion. I personally would have just made them redirects, but AFD is plausible too. Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I provided a reference...and gave all the information I could get from that. So that makes it not notable? Why just not stub it like tons of the other articles? I have not seen a rule on short biographies not being allowed...Japanese Engineers have alot of stub pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_engineers--Tripple-ddd (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

He feels it doesn't meet the WP:GNG. Making articles about living people with 3-4 sentences and 1-2 sources isn't exactly the best way to prove him wrong. When there's that little to be said, some propose it's better to WP:REDIRECT it to a different article. Your articles are good fits for this too, as they have logical redirect targets. (Their respective divisions or games of Sega.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Like I said before there are so many small articles about living people. And with redirects...the whole argument was that my Sega Studio article focuses too much on personell, so I thought I just branch off giving articles for each person (which is franky much more logical). Asking @The Banner: about this too, and give a more full explonation.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 17:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:OSE. Other junk articles existing isn't a defense to keep yours. If anything, you're just pointing out other articles that need improvement or deletion. I'd stick to arguing how your articles in particular meet the GNG. Like I've said before, a lot of the arguments you get into are related to this advice, really. Sergecross73 msg me 18:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I judge each and every article on it own merits, independent of the author or the status of the author. When I nominate for deletion, I have to state the reasons why and I have done that. That you have my serious attention is not your fault but is caused by a sockpuppeteer-vandal active on pages about Sega games (note: I am well and truly convinced that that is somebody else.) My nominations are perhaps harsh but I am not playing games nor do I nominate articles because they are written by you. The Banner talk 20:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC) P.S. I had the idea that during a block, the blocked Wikipedian was only allowed to discuss the block itself...

@The Banner: Where and how did I ever state on feeling victimized on nomination? I'm not satisfied with your reasoning. Not notable enough? How? And the deletion of the List of Sega games is because of...what? Someone else...editing it or what? I have not seen vandalization on that page. I'm very confused --Tripple-ddd (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

a) That is the way I interpret the start of this section

b) If you don't like my reasoning, too bad for you. It is my reasoning and the community decides if it is valid. You are free to argue at the nomination pages.

c) No, you are not a vandal.

d) There is no need to ping me with every reply, I follow this page so I see the changes anyway.

The Banner talk 22:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Tripple ddd - its very simple. Your articles are short and lacking in sources. They don't appear to meet the WP:GNG. Generally, more than 1-2 sources and a short paragraph are expected when writing article. Like I said, personally, I think I would have just redirected, but AFD is completely acceptable as well.

Banner - I looked into this once - there's no hard rule on if its not okay to discuss other things while blocked. I brought it up at one of the Admin noticeboards once, and it seemed like usually Admin allowed it if it was constructive discussion. That's usually how I handle it too. And while I find it concerning how frequently Tripple ddd is constantly baffled by all the opposition he receives, when it usually boils down with him not knowing or following policy, his comments do seem to be in good-faith at this point, so I'm okay with the discussion as long as it doesn't devolve into name-calling or mudslinging type stuff... Sergecross73 msg me 13:26, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

To TheBanner: Most likely here won't be a major debate, since no one else will participate in this. Someone did tag these before and the response was "huh" and "just stub it" from others. Would you be okay if I remove the notice with the argument that I think that it is notable because the person is described with a clear descrption and source? Also you still haven't given a clearn asnwer on why you reverted List of Sega video games. For Sergecross, I read the notability bit, and I don't see how it applies to my article, unless you directly quote it. As far as I can meet the criteria for all GNG. I have not seen a rule on an article needing more than a few sentences and sources in order to create it. Again, quote me to it, because I have not seen it.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

You were moving things around without reaching consensus first. As a project of cooperation you have to invest time in discussion, certainly with contentious moves. You never tried to discuss the moves and recreations so every time (once be me, twice by somebody else) is was reverted as "no consensus". The Banner talk 18:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

@The Banner: List of Sega video games is not a moved article, it was created by me...

In the summary: (Lukeno94 moved page List of Sega games to Lists of Sega games over redirect: rv move with no consensus) The Banner talk 18:06, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

List of Sega video games and Lists of Sega games is seperate, the person had no reason to cause confusion with these redirects...--Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Masami Ishikawa

Alright, since you don't understand yet, let me break it down a little further for you. Here's an example based off of one of the article you created - Masami Ishikawa.

Here's what the WP:GNG says

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list..."Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail....Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability.

Here's what you did

1. You chose to use only 2 sources, which is the absolute bare minimum way to illustrate that multiple sources covered it.
2. You chose to use a source like Siliconera, which is classified as situational, as in, only use it in certain situations, like obscure Japanese games. Not really the case here.
3. You chose 2 sources that don't really show significant coverage - in both articles, the main subject is definitely Sega Hardware, not Ishikawa. They're interviews where he is being interviewed, and he's discussing Sega Hardware. Very little actually cover him, and when it is him, it's Ishikawa talking about Ishikawa, which isn't really a second party account anymore. Direct quotes from himself about himself would be first party accounts.
4. You wrote a very short article that has very little content on him, further suggesting that concerns about the lack of significant coverage.

Even if the articles are kept, you can't fault The Banner for nominating the articles, you literally did the most bare minimum job you could really do in making these articles, and didn't really change it all over the course of the week in between creation and deletion nomination.If anything, you're probably lucky that The Banner didn't do a detailed deletion nomination like my outline above, or they'd probably be more likely to be deleted or redirected... Sergecross73 msg me 20:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

• So I don't know what first and second party accounts mean in this case. And your definition of significant coverage is still not consistent with the rule...it states: "...coverage...reliable sources...indepedent of the subject...suitable for stand alone article", how is this is not case with mine? Also it is still wierd to go after some articles at random, and then stop. Might as well go the whole way and nominate all articles that don't meet the criteria. "Interviews can be used in any article; other info can be used only for Japanese exclusive titles or titles there exclusive at the time the page being cited was published." It states interviews can be used? The sources I used are clearly reliable and usually state that they come from a primary source. For TheBanner: I didn't redirect the article, I created List of Sega video games...--Tripple-ddd (talk) 12:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

• They don't cover Ishikawa in detail though, they cover Sega Hardware in detail. And yes, interviews may be used, but they're not second party accounts. Ishikawa's own words about himself (he's being interviewed) is a first party account, because the information is coming from the subject himself. It's not Siliconera writing about him (2nd party), it's Siliconera transcribing things Ishikawa said (1st party). Content like this doesn't really go towards meeting the GNG, because, as you even stated above, its a primary/1st party account. They need to be second party reports that discuss the subject in good detail.
• I don't especially see anything weird about nominating some articles for deletion and stopping. He has no requirement or responsibility to nominate a certain amount of articles or something. Nothing has been done wrong here.
• I don't really know how to break it down for you any further, other than advice for the future: When you write an article, try to use 4-5 sources minimum, make sure they cover the subject in detail, and aren't just interviews, and write more than a paragraph. Make it long enough that it needs to be split into a few subsections. If you can't do that right away, keep it in the draft space until there's more content, and its ready for the public. Doing the bare minimum will just continue to have your articles be targeted as candidates for redirect or deletion. Sergecross73 msg me 14:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I know you are admin, but I dont see the rules of a minimum of five sources and just being a paragraph, being a requirement.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I didn't say it was a rule, it was my advice, based off my experiences here. It's up to you. If you like the process of being constantly targeted by people who like to redirect and delete articles, and rolling the dice to see if consensus will side with you at AFD for these bare-minimum articles, go for it, but no ones going to help you when you cry foul...because they're not doing anything wrong. If you'd like to see your articles stick around, try taking my advice of writing longer articles with more sources. Sergecross73 msg me 20:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

June 2015

Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to List of Sega video games, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page.First consensus, then moving or recreating. The Banner talk 07:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Hisashi Suzuki. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. The Banner talk 07:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to remove Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, as you did at Masami Ishikawa, you may be blocked from editing. The Banner talk 07:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Warning

Please, stop your battlefield behaviour. Removing AfDs and edit warring is the most easy way to get blocked again. And then it will be for a longer term than a week. You clearly did not understand anything of the whole discussion of the last week. Take that on board quickly or face the consequences. Discussion IS necessary, edit warring and vandalism not. The Banner talk 08:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Blocked again

Why exactly do you think I blocked you last week? I keep telling you that you need to stop fighting everyone every step of the way around here. You need to work collaboratively with others, discuss issues, and only make changes. Did you think making massive changes, without consensus, or even an edit summary, twice in a row, was doing this? (I'm referring to here and here with no discussion on the talk page whatsoever. You're also continually reverting here without consensus. Its also ridiculous that you multiple times tried to remove WP:AFD notices from articles you created. Add that you've done all of this immediately after your block ended. So you are blocked again. Sergecross73 msg me 18:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I guess I'll try to defend my stance here. For the first couple of edits I did actually revert it back immadietly after realizing the mistake. For the deletion of the AFD notices, I did get warned and haven't done it since. And personally communicating just hasn't been the easiest, Lukeno94 regarding the Sega Sports Japan page simply blocked all discussion, leaving what should happen unresolved. Then there is Dissident who simply stops responding in the middle of discussion, again, leaving it unresolved and unclear (Sonic Team and Sega article talkpages), meaning does he care about the articles then at all? I just don't really know. Also Lukeno94 accused me for disregarding consensus with these edits: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega&diff=667838428&oldid=667726592, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega&diff=667652533&oldid=667639299, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega&diff=667391185&oldid=667353982. However there was not backlash against these edits as far as I know. Again, communication with Dissident is not clear at times. Then there is also TheBanner blanking pages simply with "no notablity on it's own" without any discussion. I know for you all you can do is respond to the complaints you get, but there is a two way situation here. Unblock would be not possible I guess, but I'd like to request simply to block certain pages so that I can't edit them anymore? I'm not doing vandalism- And my last point, TheBanner simply leaves things sitting after his edits and does not take responsibitly which can't be good - look at the List of Sega video games, that is still on the infobox of the Sega article - which links to nothing. While List of Sega mobile games and List of Sega arcade video games still is there. It's not good to leave it like that for another month, tell someone to fix this.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)