Talk:Tombaugh Regio

Name

"Tombaugh Regio" was announced less than an hour ago, as an *informal* name. I think it should be removed, at least until there's a citation! Cjb~enwiki (talk) 19:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Added The Verge citation for Tombaugh Regio. There's also NBC News which states that it's named Tombaugh Regio. Appable (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

this source from NYTimes identifies the name as informal, and I think until NASA formalizes the name it should be recognized as such (though I think it should definitely remain). Greengreengreenred 19:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Good point. I've added that citation in (any more and some will probably have to be moved or removed) and added "unofficially-named" to clarify that. There's probably a better way to phrase this, though. As far as I can tell, Heart (pluto) was also an unofficial name that wasn't ever directly referred to. Appable (talk) 19:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Definitely unofficial. “informally named the Heart” —DSGalaktos (talk) 19:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

How do you feel about moving the article to Tombaugh Regio? "Heart" was only a descriptive name used by NASA and the press. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 19:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I’d wait until we have something from nasa.gov that clarifies how official the name is. ATM they’re still busy with the conference. —DSGalaktos (talk) 19:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Until an official name is announced, it seems to me that "Heart (Pluto)" should be either the page name or at least a redirect to this page since it is the name the public seems most familiar with and so most likely to use as a search term. 2606:A000:A144:C900:5C49:E3A6:8001:2498 (talk) 21:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Until an official name is announce, the page should go by most common usage. No telling atm whether Tombough Region or Heart will win out. Lets wait. 93.104.62.163 (talk) 23:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Another vote for most common usage, which for the time being seems to be "heart." Neither name is official yet so there's really no point trying to designate the "proper" informal name. --SchutteGod (talk) 00:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

@SchutteGod: To clarify, you support Heart (pluto) as the name currently, and if/when a name is announced officially the article should be renamed to the proper name? Or do you support Heart (pluto) regardless of the "proper" name because of colloquial usage? Appable (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

This is bullhockies. NASA doesn't have the authority to formalise the name; only the IAU does. Until it goes through the IAU it is just an informal name. Serendi^podous 21:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

as the current title is non-terrible and there's no clear official name yet, how about we stop redirecting this article until official confirmation of a name is published? Sophie means wisdom (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 July 2015

Pluto's heart → Tombaugh Regio – It is now the given, official name of the region. Philip Terry Graham 17:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

• What is the relevant policy here? Shouldn't we keep the status quo while we see which is becomes more common usage? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I consider it unlikely that "Tombaugh Regio" will become the common name, though it certainly could, and in such case we could totally re-raise the request. Red Slash 20:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose as the current name is the common one. Otherwise wait to see if there is any change when the information on this matures. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support for "Pluto's heart" is almost never used- the normal term used is "the heart" with its location on Pluto being obvious from context. Given that a move from the current title seems inevitable, it seems a move to its official name makes more sense. If an unofficial name becomes the clearly dominant name in a few months, then the article can be moved again, but right now there seems to be no common unofficial name. If anything, Heart (Pluto) would be the best name if you were going on name popularity, but that title would be absurdly awkward. Chessrat ^{(talk,contributions)} 22:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: First of all, let's be clear: "Tombaugh Regio" is NOT the official name. Yet. All names have to go through the IAU before they can become official. All that has happened is that Alan Stern has gone against protocol and revealed the name to the public before clearing it with the IAU. The IAU really doesn't like people doing that, because it interferes with the review process. Still, I doubt Stern cares, since he hates the IAU. Serendi^podous 23:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support it is not "Pluto's heart", it is the "Heart" region on Pluto -- "Pluto's heart" is an inappropriate title, like "North America's Grand Canyon" or "Europe's Danube"; the current title is unnatural disambiguation, since it isn't really used. Heart (Pluto) makes much more sense than the weird title the article currently uses. And Tombaugh Regio is already the declared name by NASA who discovered it. Further this isn't the heart of Pluto, which would be the core of the dwarf planet. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Weak support. Heart (Pluto) or Heart of Pluto are better choices for the vernacular name. But if the name becomes official, I think that is likely the best long term choice. older ≠ wiser 12:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support "Tombaugh Regio" is the name chosen by the discovery team. Unless the IAU chooses something different, it's what we should also use. Nicknames should not be titles. But, if we do use the nickname, we should at least format it correctly, as Heart (Pluto). — kwami (talk) 18:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Weak support we ought to use the official name (cf. Aeolis Mons for Mount Sharp); trouble is it's not the official name yet. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment Since no source uses "Pluto's Heart" as the name of this feature, I moved it to "The Heart (Pluto)" pending the resolution of this discussion -- if we're going to use the nickname, we should at least use the nickname, not s.t. made up by WP. ("Heart (Pluto)" was not available for the move.) — kwami (talk) 21:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
  • And we should get someone to lock the page from being moved to prevent every Tom Dick and Sally going through the permutations. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 21:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support The name "Heart" is no less unofficial, but it is an informal nickname that is much less likely to be approved by the IAU than the wholly appropriate term "Tombaugh Regio" proposed by the discovery team. Peter Ells (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support - Tombaugh Regio is now the name. It is encyclopedic to make this change, and I suggest a speedy effectuation. Jusdafax 22:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
• Weak Support - I'd still prefer it be made clear that the name is currently informal, but I don't [any longer] support waiting until it is formalized to move the article, since I have no idea how long it will take for that to happen (I assume it will)—not to mention the fact that Pluto's Heart is no more formal a name. As for WP:COMMONNAME, I concede that more people probably refer to it as Pluto's heart, but I personally have the view that WP:COMMONNAME has more bearing on much more popular articles than this, as those would make it more significant to want to stick to the name people understand. This article's view count is low enough that I perceive any negative impact that could result from using a somewhat less common name to be trivial enough for me to support the move. Greengreengreenred 23:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support. "Tombaugh Regio" is much more a name than "Heart", and I understand that it has been/will be submitted to the IAU, which will then likely accept it as the official name. In case the IAU would decide otherwise, we can easily revist the move and we will have used at least a proper name for it. --JorisvS (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose As of today this article exists in 14 languages, and of these 10 use the name Pluto's heart (or something similar in each individual language) and only 4 languages so far use Tombaugh Regio - I say let's wait and see for a while what happens in term of the use of these names and in term of a realy official recogniced name. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

  Referring to other wikis is inappropriate. The English Wiki is by a large margin the most active and most discussion will occur here. --JorisvS (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

  I've given my oppinion and reasons, and I don't intet to get into a lengthy debate on the matter - actually I find it a little inappropriate to direct comment on other users oppinion like this. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

  WP:UE -- it does not matter what other languages call this, since they are not English language Wikipedias. Many topics have many different names in different languages. That a topic is called something else in a different language is irrelevant. And NASA, the people who discovered this, is an English-language organization, so whatever those languages say, they aren't the origination either. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 11:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

  @Oleryhlolsson: It is completely normal for editors to comment on the reasons others' give in a requested-move discussion—that's why it is called a discussion, not a vote. --JorisvS (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support Tombaugh Regio is the scientific name of the formation. "Pluto's Heart", as others have mentioned, is some weird Wikipedia-invented disambiguating title because "Heart" is obviously taken. Appeals to WP:COMMONNAME would have merit if this page were called "The Heart (Pluto)" or something similar. I could support a change in that direction if it were suggested. Stylistically, however, I prefer Tombaugh Regio because, let's face it -- once New Horizons fades out of the media most people looking for information about this formation will be scientifically minded and more likely to use the scientific name. I also think that worries about whether Tombaugh Regio is official or not are misplaced. If the IAU goes against the long-standing convention of allowing discoverers to name formations on distant bodies -- which I would consider very unlikely, particularly given whom this name honors -- then we can at that time move the article to the new official name. The real reason to move the article now is because Pluto's heart is a terrible name, and my sense is that "Tombaugh Regio" is better for the reasons outlined above than "The Heart (Pluto)" which would satisfy WP:COMMONNAME and disambiguated title policies. (As an aside, to the editor who brought up what other WPs are calling their version of this article: I consider it begging the question. Most WP articles in other languages follow en's lead, so the fact that their articles are named the same way as ours currently is is unsurprising, and if we change our article they will probably follow suit.) Eniagrom (talk) 12:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment - I'd say we have consensus, and weight of argument, for the change. Jusdafax 22:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support - Why is this even an issue? The generally accepted name for the formation at this time is Tombaugh Regio. That is the name THE DISCOVERERS of the formation gave it. If they want to call the heart "New Horizons" for some reason, they're free to do so. For now, we should move it to Tombaugh Regio. DN-boards1 (talk) 23:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support - "Heart" is a purely descriptive name, while "Tombaugh Regio" is at least provisionally official given that the name is likely to be formally submitted to the IAU. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 05:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support - Tombaugh Regio is less ambiguous (what if there are more heart-shaped features to be discovered on Pluto?) and the "heart" naming is partially (social) media hype. The name Tombaugh Regio is likely to stick around for a long time.