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== Requested move to Gypsies ==

== Requested move 5 March 2016 ==

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[[:Romani people]] → {{no redirect|Gypsies}} – Although the term has become controversial in recent years, it is still by far the most common way to refer to this ethnic group in the English-speaking world. Although some may find it offensive, many dictionaries do not view at that way (i.e.:OED), and many Gypsy organizations use the term themselves. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Gypsy%2C+Gipsy%2C+Gypsies%2C+Gipsies%2C+Romany%2C+Romani&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CGypsy%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CGipsy%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CGypsies%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CGipsies%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CRomany%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CRomani%3B%2Cc0 Google Ngrams] shows that Gypsy has been becoming more common than the other terms in recent years, and not less. Therefore, we must move the title to the most common name, and use English, and therefore, it must be called "Gypsies". [[User:Genealogizer|Genealogizer]] ([[User talk:Genealogizer|talk]]) 06:22, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Where are the Gypsies in India?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUYGRn3W9Q — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.145.105.85 (talk) 01:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very Big Issue with the Romani Name [Disputed Neutrality]

There is a very big issue with the Romani name. The name discriminates the people from Romania.

There are 28 millions of Romanians who call themselves Romani for Centuries. In Romanian language, the Romanians call themselves Români, which is nowadays mostly written in mass-media and on Internet without the diacritic, as Romani.

Why is wikipedia not using the name Romani to name the Romanians? There are 28 million Romanians in the world - compare that with 2 million or maximum 12 million of Gypsies. Why are Gypsies allowed to take over the name of other nations?

This name of Romani was not used as replacement for Gypsies before 1990, or it was barely used.

Check Merriam-Webster Dictionary http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/romani - they redirect to Romany and point to Rom.

Check Oxford Dictionary http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/Romany?q=romani, it redirects to Romany and point to Rom.

Why is wikipedia misleading the whole world - and by doing this is discriminating Romanians?

Because of this new name given to the Gypsies, Romanians are now considered by a majority of population in UK and France as being Gypsies. This has to stop.

The Romani people page needs to point first to a disambiguation page, what is now at the page Romani section --Nationalities--

  • The Latin term for the ancient Romans, see Roman citizenship
  • The Italian term for inhabitants of Rome
  • The Romanian term for Romanians (citizens of Romania), officially written with diacritic â (an upper arrow on top of a) as Români, but many times written just as Romani, without diacritics. Because of these name similarities, many Romanians are discriminated in Western Europe, mistakenly being considered part of the Roma People.

The Romani name needs to be used only for the nationalities above, as it was used for Centuries, and not for renaming Gypsy people. Gypsy people can be renamed to any other name (like Rrom), but not the names that are already taken. - Sicama (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but for the purposes of this encyclopedia, it doesn't matter how the word "needs to be" be used, only how it is used. And worldwide, it is generally used for the people you call Gypsies.
The Oxford Dictionary definition you bring up (Romany) says "also Romani" right there, below it. --Ashenai (talk) 23:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
regarding what you wrote: "it doesn't matter how the word "needs to be" be used, only how it is used". - I can tell you 99% of the population calls Gypsies with the word Gypsy. This is how it is used. The fact that Gypsies call the male as Rom in their language, this has nothing to do with the name of the people. This is because the English people do not call themselves Man as nation and the Spanish people do not call themselves as Hombre as nation. And Gypsy is more used than Rom or Roma or Romany or any other new name under which Gypsies want to reside, as the older name was tarnished by some of the Gypsies behavior (you know, some of the Gypsies teach their kids how to steal, how to beg and how to stay in other people houses). They are originally Indian people, why they don't call themselves Indian, but this is another story. Other people call them mainly Gypsy, not Roma, not Romany. This is their main name --Sicama (talk) 00:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, alright. As far as I know, the "accepted" name for them is Romani, and Gypsy is a slur. But, I'm not an expert on the subject. I live in Hungary, where the official name for them is "Roma", and "cigány" is sort of a slur, the equivalent of Gypsy. Based on that, and the fact that their organizations appear to have the word "Romani" in them, I would assume that Romani is their official name.
But, like I said, I'm not really an expert. Either way, you're going to need to come up with some reliable sources for your claim that they are properly called Gypsies. I would be very surprised if that turned out to be the case, but I've been wrong before... any sources you can show us? --Ashenai (talk) 00:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A non-issue unworthy of discussion. The vast majority of the recent news sources referenced in this very wikipedia article use the term Roma or Romani. Few if any English-language news sources use the word Romani to refer to Romanians. The choice is clear. If anyone is confused, there is a clear disambiguation line at the very top of the page. - Themightyquill (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OP's post is racist propaganda. Romanians who immigrate to other EU countries have a compensated inferiority complex because the ethnic majorities of these countries stereotype Romanians as thieves and beggars. Not knowing how to stomach such bad public image, Romanians racists advance the idea that the Romani are guilty of all misdeeds attributed to Romanians, thus seeking to replace an ethnic stereotype with a racial stereotype (they have found a scapegoat for the national honor of Romania). Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not Romanian myself, but I still think this post is quite a bit too hostile. Notably this part: "Romanians who immigrate to other EU countries have a compensated inferiority complex because the ethnic majorities of these countries stereotype Romanians as thieves and beggars." It doesn't matter if it's mostly meant for racists, that's pretty offensive to all Romanians. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 18:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the tendentious tagging per WP:SOAP. The POV template should not be used as a badge of shame. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See also WP:RGW and WP:ACTIVIST. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Plural form

There appears to be no single convention for the plural form of the Romani people. While 'Romani' is often used without the definite article, it is equally common to find the use of the definite article as forming the plural: see this, this, and this as examples. While it is often contingent on context, this form is not replicated in the English language for other ethnic groups. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2015

This phrase "they were driven out by the KLA, or Kosovo Liberation Army, as well as the new Kosovar Albanian government" is not true. I live in that region, they are not from Kosovo, neither drawn by KLA or Kosovar Albanian government. This is a Serbian false statement! 178.175.20.90 (talk) 10:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- ferret (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Romani ancestors adhered most likely to Vedic religion similar to the practices of the Arya Samaj and contemporary Theravada Buddhism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.148.92 (talk) 22:44, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any reliable sources to back this assertion up? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups

Seemingly there is a significant number of commentators which support the general removal of infobox collages. I think there is a great opportunity to get a general agreement on this matter. It is clear that it has to be a broad consensus, which must involve as many editors as possible, otherwise there is a big risk for this decision to be challenged in the near future. I opened a Request for comment process, hoping that more people will adhere to this proposal. Please comment here. Hahun (talk) 10:41, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Plan to add, Romani Children

In this new section on the history of children in Romani societies across the world, I will utilize depictions and studies of various aspects of Romani child behaviors across a broad historical period. This will be a new section added to the "Romani people" article that will feature several subsections based on different eras in Romani history presented chronologically. With a wide range of customs and cultures across Romani peoples of various tribes and geographical regions, it will be important that I do not generalize Romani child behaviors but rather present evidence on a source by source basis and allow readers to form their own vision of Romani children based on their own interpretation of my sources. As a traditionally oral culture, written first person Romani sources related to Romani society, in particular childhood, are hard to come by. Therefore, I will utilize several forms (late nineteenth century accounts, twentieth century academic articles, contemporary news reports and video documentaries, etc.) in order to approach the subject from several different angles. In regards to older, pseudo-academic sources, I will make note of possible cultural or racial biases in those accounts with reference to the perceptions of the the reporting culture. The following is a list of potential sources for this new section:


“A Child Stolen by Gypsies.” The Globe, 5 July 1886, 2.


Allen, Daniel & Paul Adams. Social Work with Gypsy, Roma and Traveler Children. London: British Association for Adoption & Fostering, 2013.


Berry, Lynn, “Millions maintain gypsy traditions – but in silence,” The Ottawa Citizen, 18 March 1995, C4.


Berthier, Jean-Charles. “The Socialization of the Gypsy Child,” International Social Science Journal, 31, 2 (January 1979): 376-392.


Bishop, Joe. “Marginal Roamers Sedentarized: Slovak High School Student Views toward Roma (Gypsies),” Institute of International Education, (March 2002).


Brown, Irving. Gypsy Fires in America. New York: Harper & Brothers Publishers, 1924. Republished by Gale Research Company. Detroit: Book Tower, 1974.


Buchanen, Ann & Alice Sluckin. “Gypsy Children in Post-Communist Eastern Europe,” Children & Society, 8, 4 (January 1994): 333-334.


Chon, Werner. The Gypsies. Don Mills, Ontario: Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, 1973.


Čvorović, Jelana. “Juvenile Marriages, Child-Brides and Infant Mortality Among Serbian Gypsies,” Glasnik Etnografskog institute, 59, 2 (2011): 27-44.


Foray, Katalin R. & Andras T. Hegudus. “Differences in the upbringing and behavior of Romani boys and girls, as seen by teachers,” Journal of Multilingual and Multicultural Development, 10, 6 (1989): 515-528.


“Gypsy Child Thieves (BBC Documentary).” YouTube. 2013. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THInODdvvMQ (5 February 2016)


Leland, Charles Godfrey. The English Gipsies and Their Language. London: Trubner & Co., 1874.


Leland, Charles Godfrey. Gypsy Sorcery and Fortune Telling: Illustrated by Incantations, Specimens of Medical Magic, Anecdotes, Tales. London: T. Fisher Unwin, 1891.


Levinson, Martin P. “The Role of Play in the Formation and Maintenance of Cultural Identity: Gypsy Children in Home and School Contexts,” Journal of Contemporary Ethnography, 34, 5 (October 2005): 499-532.


Levinson, Martin P. & Andrew C. Sparkes. “Gypsy children, space, and the school environment,” International Journal of Qualitative Studies in Education, 18, 6 (2005): 751-772.


Liegeois, Jean-Pierre. “The Training of Gypsy Children.” Council of European Teachers’ Seminar, June 2-25 1983. Federal Republic of Germany. Council for Cultural Cooperation.


Lloyd, Gwynedd & Claire Norris. “From difference to deviance: the exclusion of gypsy-traveler children from school in Scotland,” International Journal of Inclusive Education, 2, 4 (October 1998): 359-369.


Orçan, Maide, Canan Yildiz Çiçekler & Ramazan Ari. “A Study on the Mothers of Roma Children Who Are a Risk Group,” European Journal of Educational Research, 3, 2 (2014): 59-72.


Okely, Judith, “Non-Territorial Culture as The Rationale for the Assimilation of Gypsy Children,” Childhood, 4, 1 (February 1997): 63-80.


Poveda, David, Ana Cano & Manuel Palomares-Valera. “Religious Genres, Entextualization and Literacy in Gitano Children,” Language in Society, 34, 1 (February 2005): 87-115.


Puxon, Grattan. Rom: Europe’s Gypsies, Minority Rights Group Report No 14. New York: March 1973.


Quintana, Bertha B. & Lois Gray Floyd. Que Gitano! Gypsies of Southern Spain. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1972.


Redondo, Maria J. & Francisco J. A. Guisasola, “An unknown risk group of lead poisoning: The gypsy children,” European Journal of Pediatrics, 154, 3 (March 1995): 197-200.


Réger, Zita & Jean Berko Gleason, “Romani Child-Directed Speech and Children’s Language among Gypsies in Hungary,” Language in Society, 20, 4 (December 1991): 601-617.


Réger, Zita. “Teasing in the Linguistic Socialization of Gypsy Children in Hungary,” Acta Linguistica Hungarica, 46, 3 (September 1999): 289-315.


Rican, P. “Sociometric status of Gypsy children in ethnically mixed classes,” Studia Psychologica, 38, 3 (1996): 177-184.


Salo, Matt T. & Sheila M.G. Salo. The Kalderas in Eastern Canada. National Museum of Man Mercury Series, Paper No. 21. Ottawa: Canadian Centre for Folk Culture Studies, 1977.


Scheffel, David Z. Svinia in Black and White: Slovak Roma and their Neighbours. Broadview Press, Toronto, 2005.


“Slovakia proposes radical Roma 'solution'.” YouTube. 2010. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNhXkhxj5DM (6 Feb. 2016)


Smith, George. Gipsy Life: being an account of our Gipsies and their children with suggestions for their improvement. London: Haughton & Co., 1880.


Smith, George. I’ve Been a Gipsying: Rambles Among Our Gipsies and their Children in their Tents and Vans. London: T. Fisher Inwin, 1883.


Smith, Tracy, “Recognizing Difference: The Romani ‘Gypsy’ Child Socialization and Education Process,” British Journal of Sociological of Education, 18, 2 (1997): 243-256.


Sutherland, Anne. Gypsies: The Hidden Americans. New York: The Free Press, 1975.


Sway, Marlene. Familiar Strangers: Gypsy Life in America. Chicago: University of Illinois Press. 1988.


Tempel, Charles, “‘Life took me elsewhere.’ The Roma Tutoring Project in Romania,” Reading Teacher, 53, 3 (November 1999): 228-232.


Trigg, Elwood B. Gypsy, Demons & Divinities. Secaucus, NJ: Citadel Press, 1973.


Walter, Simon. History of the Gipsies with Specimens of the Gipsy Language. New York: M. Doolady, 1866.


White, Julia M. “Slovakia’s litmus test: Policy, prejudice, and resistance in the schooling of Romani children,” Syracuse University, ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 2007.


Wood, Mantri Frederick. In the Life of a Romany Gypsy. Edited by John A. Brune. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1973.

This is comprehensive and a great start. I think you already know you will likely need to narrow your focus. From a Wiki perspective, it would be useful to explain, using secondary sources, why Romani children might have been the focus of concern when compared to the ideals of modern childhood, especially during the child saving era (1870-1920). Cliomania (talk) 19:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move to Gypsies

Requested move 5 March 2016

Romani people → Gypsies – Although the term has become controversial in recent years, it is still by far the most common way to refer to this ethnic group in the English-speaking world. Although some may find it offensive, many dictionaries do not view at that way (i.e.:OED), and many Gypsy organizations use the term themselves. Google Ngrams shows that Gypsy has been becoming more common than the other terms in recent years, and not less. Therefore, we must move the title to the most common name, and use English, and therefore, it must be called "Gypsies". Genealogizer (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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