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Create a nation state

Szvest enjoys your company and is thinking of creating a nation state according to the principles of Esperanza. Please let's vote on this:

P.S. We can decide later on if the state is to be created w/in Esperanza or at nationstates.net. We can also decide whether it would be a republic, Kingdom, Queendom, etc...

• Better idea: a micronation. --Kitia 23:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Support creation of a nation state on the principles of Esperanza

• Szvest 17:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}
• Nice Idea! What do we call it? Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 17:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Something to do w/ Esperanza and Wikipedia. -- Szvest 17:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Ok, this is strange, but I'm voting for some reason. How about Esperanzia for the name? —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-) 17:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Looks fine but wiki is missing. -- Szvest 18:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Do we need Wikipedia's name and Esperanza's name in it? —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-) 18:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
      • How about Wiki-ranzia? Or, Espardia? or something that means Nation or State in Italian or French or someother wonderful language? Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 18:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
        • The Deomcratic Wiki of Esperanza. hehe Philc _T^E_C^I 18:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
          • Esperanzipedia. (I'm a geek.) —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-) 18:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
            • Sound cool. -- Szvest 18:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
              • Yay! Or we can start a new world at NS called Esperanza and all have individual accounts. I'll have to start a second account there though because the Federation of Anarchist Provinces is staying in True Anarchism. I'm not about to ditch my friends at NS. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 21:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
                • I myself have a NS nation, Palixia!!! --IAMTHEEGGMAN (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
                  • I prefer Esperanzia to anything we could mix Wikipedia into. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-) 23:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. How about Wikisperanzia. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 12:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Pronouncerd (wi kis' pər on' ze a)?

We should just call it "Esperanza" — [Mac Davis] (talk)

• I don't believe in nation states, can we have something like The Culture instead? We'll need better bots if they are to take the place of Minds, though. Lurker ^oi! 17:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• The Esperanzian Exarchate.
  

Population:640
Active population:612
Applying for citizenship: 14
Literacy:100%.
National Banner
Location
The Esperanzian Exarchate (local short form: Esperanzia) is a nation-state located in the Realm of the English Wikipedia, and subordinate to the Wikimedian Empire. Seven Councillors, collectively referred to as the Exarch, are democratically elected, and preside over the citizenry, all while adhering to a Charter. The principles of the philosophy Esperanza guide the nation, as do the statements of their far-off (In Florida) Emperor, User:Jimbo Wales...

Silly, I know, but whatever :) Picaroon9288|ta co 23:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. --Leon2323

21:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I created a real flag for us (Image:Esperanza-flag.png) and linked it where it says National Banner. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 22:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

If exarchate sounds too Byzantine, we could just go with Republic. Picaroon9288•talk 18:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose creation of a nation state on the principles of Esperanza

• I poop on peoples partys. :D Philc _T^E_C^I 18:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • You do realize that we'll be forced to consider you as a threat to our nation state.:-P Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 18:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Phil's an ally that not all the time is in agreement w/ our "agendas". -- Szvest 18:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
      • If he isn't in agreement, how do we know he's an ally? :P —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-) 23:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Good question but we assume good faith. Indeed, he's gotten a Lada (see above). -- Szvest 23:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
          • I thought he said he only wanted one? 23:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC) ^{Oops, —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-C|ε|L|T|♪-)}
            • I don't believe in "propaganda" of an ally. He got a Lada - WMD. -- Szvest 23:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

South Park or Simpsons? or Futurama?

Anyone likes one of these amazing shows? Which one do you like most? Umm, I know its hard to choose, but.... Cheers -- Imoeng 10:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Simpsons all the way. Never watched Futurama, but South Park is rather silly. Yes, I like the Simpsons... -- Banes 12:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Homer indeed! -- Szvest 12:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

Simpsons for me too. South Park is more grossy than Futurama. :-P. Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 13:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I've really tried to like South Park again and again (mostly because my best friend really likes it), but I just don't really find poop jokes and gross-out humor funny no matter how hard I try. Simpsons is incredible, though... --nathanbeach 16:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I like none of them. If I had to pick, Simpsons. «ct» (t|e) 16:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

All of them. Although the first seasons of South Park and The Simpsons were much funnier than the last ones. --Húsönd 02:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I just have to spoil it and say I think the Simpsons is…boring. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 03:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I like all three, though the Simpsons has been declining in recent years.--TBCTaLk?!? 04:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? Wow. I like Judge Judy. Iolakana•T 21:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ohh, I forgot to mention Family Guy. Yeah, for me those are the top 3, Simpsons, South Park and Family Guy. (no particular order :P) Imoeng 23:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I use to like Family Guy as well, but I'm getting tired of all those flashbacks parodying cultural references that I can hardly remember and don't really care about.--TBCTaLk?!? 02:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Futurama, all the way!!! :) Thε Halo ^Θ 12:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

South Park is really good when the episodes are about politics and religion. The rest of the time it’s boring. Academic Challenger 07:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I die in South Park all the time because my real name is Kenny.Canadianshoper 04:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely love the simpsons. Futurama is my 2nd favourite. Jam01 03:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is the oldest person over here?

I am 32. -- Szvest 16:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere near. I'm 14. «ct» (t|e) 16:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I am 17. I guess I cant be the oldest or the youngest person over here. Does anyone have any title for me? :-P Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 16:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The middlest person? The averagest person? The meanest person? Actually, forget the last one... it makes you sound evil... smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 18:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

It does. :P I'm 19. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 19:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I remember a question like this on the RD, and it's someone really old, like 72, but I don't remember his name, I seem to remember 'Bob' being a suffix though. On the coffee lounge, anyone of these people could be paedophiles. Quite easily.--XenoNeon (converse) 20:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Wiki alf is pretty ancient... :P —Celestianpower ^háblame 21:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I just turned 16 lol. But younger guys have to behave like adults :P Imoeng 02:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they do, don't they? :P —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, if I remember correctly, isn't one of the bureaucrats eleven years old?--TBCTaLk?!? 04:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

See m:Wikipedians by age. Ilyanep is currently 14, but he has been a bureaucrat for over 2 years now. NoSeptember 15:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm 14 too, though only an admin, that also only for a nearly a year :( :) --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 12:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The oldest Wikipedian being, then, 85 years old (CoppBob). —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 18:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No way! I thought it was good ol Claude, born in 1924, but ahwell even if hes not the oldest, hes the only blind contributor I know of! What a hero!! btw, on the other point I'm 16. Philc _T^E_C^I 20:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't there use to be a Wikipedia user over 90? I remember he recently passed away. :( TBCTaLk?!? 02:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

How would we know? Philc _T^E_C^I 11:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians.--TBCTaLk?!? 23:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

User:David91? I just turned 15, btw... --james^(talk) 12:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

About Claude being the only blind contributor, there are in fact several other blind contributors, including myself. I am 19, have been blind since birth and am probably the most active blind contributor. Academic Challenger 07:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I said he was the only one I know of, but now I know two!!! hehe Philc _T^E_C^I 12:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

User:JzG was born in 1964. Dfrg.msc File:DFRG. MSC.jpg 22:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• But that is the beautiful thing about Wikipedia! It does not discriminate against age, race, gender, religon ect. Dfrg.msc File:DFRG. MSC.jpg 22:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yo, Challenger, you're as old as I am. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 23:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I am only a childish 11Canadianshoper 04:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm fourteen, turning fifteen in a month, but sometimes I feel like I'm more mature than some of the older editors :). When I first came on to Wikipedia, I lied and said that I was seventeen, because I didn't think that people would respect the opinions of someone in high school, but I felt bad and said my real age after that :(. Actually, that's pretty childish XD. Eilicea 15:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Fourteen from the English guy here. Kingfisherswift 12:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

August 25

Guess what??? IT'S 00:00 UTC!!!! — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Wow. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 00:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I cant believe I missed it! :-( Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 04:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurray?--TBCTaLk?!? 04:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Day!!! -- Szvest 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What? --nathanbeach 17:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

...and your favourite actor/actress is...

• Johnny Depp, Sean Penn. -- Szvest 20:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• • I don't really have one, as I watch televission very little. I do like Robin Wright-Penn though. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 22:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Lindsey Shaw. «ct» (t|e) 02:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Depp for me too. I like Michael Douglas too. Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 06:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Lena Olin and Victor Garber. Guess which show I'm a fan of ;). --Fsotrain₀₉ 17:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Klaus Kinski --nathanbeach 17:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Snakes in a Coffee Lounge

So, has anyone seen Snakes on a Plane? I have, and I was surprised by how good it was! smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 07:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Haven't seen it yet... but I'm guessing it would have sucked had it not been for all that hype on the internet.--TBCTaLk?!? 03:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Haven't seen it, but it's gotta be better than Planes on a Snake. --Tachikoma 22:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I really want to see that. It's so bad that it's good! You know, the original movie was supposed to be a joke B-movie (like "Return of the Killer Tomatoes") but then everyone was like "Oh my God, there's snakes on a plane!" Or that's what my friend says anyway. Eilicea 15:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I still can't believe the original title was going to be Pacific Flight 831 or something like that! What a boring title! --Tachikoma 16:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikicharts

Has anyone seen this month's Wikicharts? I can't believe Pokémon is at #6. After all, didn't that fad die out a few years ago?--TBCTaLk?!? 03:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Did they at least stop creating new pokémons? There's gotta be a zillion of them by now.--Húsönd 16:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Un-suprising that most of them are related to sex/porn. :-| Iolakana•T 17:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. List of big-bust models and performers, list of gay porn stars, list of female porn stars, and list of sex positions all have higher rankings than articles like the September 11, 2001 attacks and Iran.--TBCTaLk?!? 20:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

And i can't believe (my country) Morocco is in the 18th pos!!! -- Szvest 21:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow, my country is #2. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 21:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oddly, neither my country, nor France, nor Japan, or even Canada or Oz are in the top 1000 (although Category:Japanese porn stars is at #851; says something about... something). smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 21:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oddly, Nazi Germany seems to be more popular than normal Germany, Wonder Woman is apparently more popular than Superman, and Hubbert peak theory, a slightly dull piece of economic theory, is more popular than both Linkin Park and Marilyn Manson! Mind you, the top entries are mainly lists because people are clicking on list items, then going back to the list for the next item, and so on.... smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 21:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Well...

1. Nazi Germany has had more of an impact (though a negative one) on history than modern Germany, mostly due to the horrific things they did during the World War II period (such as trying to conquer the world and exterminate races of people).

2. They are currently make a film on Wonder Woman; also Wonder Woman has more of a sex appeal than Superman.

3. The hubbert peak theory plays a major role in important current events and issues such as rising gas prices, world economy, enviromentalism and the Middle East.--TBCTaLk?!? 04:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The first listed sport is Wrestling. Just 1 position ahead of List of sex positions! I mean sex, the most practiced sport in the world. Weird, isn't it!!!! -- Szvest 10:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

Anyone have any idea why Jeff Hardy is more popular than the list of sex-positions? I just dont see how its possible! Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 17:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Dunno. Who's Jeff Hardy? --Fsotrain₀₉ 17:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

^ Look him up. :P I find the #5, and the fact that it is at #5, wholly depressing, makes you wonder what kind of people visit this site! -- Banes 19:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Pygophilia. Have a look at List of big-bust models and performers. The article itself is performing, reaching an outstanding ± 18% progress!!! The thing is that the mysql database of Benutzer:LeonWeber is not performing well. -- Szvest 20:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon was in the "news" lately because of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, and I think it's attained a kind of Mario-like status more than a regular old fad (like pogs). I think some of the games are quite good, especially the spin-off games (I've been addicted to Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire). After the spike, the rank's falling a bit now. —AySz88\^-^ 23:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have any idea how user talkpages manage to get into the top 1000? For example, User talk:205.204.242.23 is at spot 996, and User talk:12.149.244.50 is at 619, as of right now? Picaroon9288•talk 18:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Dunno. Maybe what i said above about the mysql database of Benutzer:LeonWeber is true. If i am wrong, than teachers at "Boyle County Schools" should be concerned about the issue. Pupils or students would be more focused on wikipedia vandalism than paying attention to their courses. -- Szvest 18:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

This one puzzles me the most: User talk:Jakado. 919th place with roughly 5,833 views a day, yet there's not much to see at all! ~Inkington (oi! • ë) 20:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Favourite Cartoon

On the subject of TV shows like the Simpsons, what is your favourite cartoon? (My personal favourite is Garfield). Jam01 04:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I just love Dilbert. Calvin and Hobbes is also great. -- Banes 06:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I worship Dilbert and Calvin and Hobbes.--Húsönd 13:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry are clearly the best. —Celestianpower ^háblame 18:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree, Celestian. »ctails!« =hello?= 16:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Dilbert and Family Guy family guy is sooo funny. They push it a bit, which usually makes it funnier, hehe. Philc _T^E_C^I 19:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I really like South Park, especially season 10. I'm also fond of Futurama and the Simpsons, though the quality of the Simpsons seems to have declined in recent years.--TBCTaLk?!? 13:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Facebook

Has anyone checked out the Wikipedia:Facebook?--TBCTaLk?!? 08:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I could use Mavarin's dog head for a practical joke on my housemates.--Húsönd 13:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Seen these on other sites, posting random pictures just spoils it -_---XenoNeon (converse) 17:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Mental Disorder thing

I lost the link for that Mental Disorder quiz, anyone have it?--XenoNeon (converse)

What Mental Disorder quiz? Is it related to Wikipedia?--TBCTaLk?!? 04:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the one on my user page? Regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 08:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

^Yeah I mean that, thanks ^^--XenoNeon (converse)

*Cue strings and trombones*

*Villain enters stage left*

Villian: Mwahaha. At long last, my sabbatical is at an end, and I return to the land of Wiki once more. Heh, heh, heh... - Corbin ^{Be excellent}_(TINC) 11:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

*Raising from a hole in the stage*

Right Hand Man: kneeling down. Welcome back me Lord! What can I get you? Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 13:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Villian: For now, we must sit and refine our plans. The Guardians are still in force, apparently. That bureaucratic morass is the best defense they have. We must plan our next move carefully, lest they suspect my return. - Corbin ^{Be excellent}_(TINC) 18:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone recommend a funny book?

Hi all, my heart's rather burdened by various things, and I could really use something funny right now. Something to take my mind away from the troubles of the world. Could someone suggest something funny to read? I'd prefer something without crude or scatalogical humour. I tend to prefer classical literature, too, but I'll read a bit of anything. Thanks. --Tachikoma 03:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

What type of humor do you like? I personally enjoy reading Jon Stewart's America (The Book), which is full of political satire.--TBCTaLk?!? 08:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Googlewhack Adventure. -- Szvest 12:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

I'd recommend Jerome K. Jeromes, Three Men in a Boat. Its wonderfully funny! Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 12:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bill Brysons books I find quite light-hearted and amusing, particularly the ones about his travels, including notes from a big country, and notes from a small island. They're a good read generally. Philc _T^E_C^I 13:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions so far. Tentatively, I'm thinking of rereading either Kitchen Confidential or A Cook's Tour, both written by the chef and TV personality Anthony Bourdain. I had considered reading Tom Jones by Henry Fielding, because reviews on Amazon say that it's a hilarious book, but I looked at it in the store, and it's just so thick! I don't know if I want to engage my brain that much trying to make myself smile. I would nonetheless appreciate further suggestions that I can file away for future reference. --Tachikoma 13:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Kitchen Confidential is great. I read it this summer. »ctails!« =hello?= 16:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

2+2=5

I just finished reading Orwell's 1984 and I am reeling from the after-effects. Has anyone else read it? Can some assure me that the future will not be like that!!!? :-P Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 13:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I've read it too, it's awesome, but I don't know if I can reassure you about it. Speaking of which as wiki increasingly becomes more definitive and the first place people look for facts and as the information gets more viral as more people copy it, does anybody get the feeling that being a wikipedian is like working at the ministry of truth.

If you liked 1984 you might want to check out Animal Farm which is also very good. I also found the 1984 film version of the novel very good. I think it's one of Richard Burtons best roles.  YDAM TALK 14:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You may also be interested in "Brave New World". -- ßottesiηi ^(talk) 16:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

R.I.P Steve Irwin.

I can't believe that hes gone! *sob* No more Crikey! mate!. I'll truly will miss him! *sniff* :-( Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs 18:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, great sympathy. I was actually told on my way to school by a friend, and then he laughed; I got very angry! Iolakana•T 18:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)