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Nargis Fakhri

This page belongs in Category:American models of Pakistani descent. Since it requires editors to be auto-confirmed, would you mind adding it? --113.203.221.99 (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Pakistani Film Task Force

Salam and thank you for asking. Sorry for late reply was bit busy. I am up for project, you already have Umais vote so start it, i will be assisting you in this process. Happy editing! Nauriya (Rendezvous) 10:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Great, I will update you all once I get that started. Mar4d (talk) 07:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

IP you warned yesterday at Israel–Pakistan relations

See this lovely edit. He's an IP hopper with some bizarre, almost delusional ideas. Told me he'd have Anonymous get me. Blocked before and I'm blocking him now for this latest threat to someone else. Doug Weller talk 08:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Heh. Something tells me those 'delusional ideas' stem from this popular mythological theory among Afghan nationalists. I am not sure the IP understands the purpose of WP:RS. Anyway, thanks for looking over. I'll watchlist those articles, let's see if Anonymous can stop me from Twinkling all over the place :p Mar4d (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Balochistan

You make great points and I agree. However, the DuestcheWelle is a non-Pakistani publisher, so in that sense it is international. I will move the paragraph to the China-Pakistan economic corridor in that case.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Mar4d (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Notability of villages in union councils?

I seem to have wandered into Pakistan articles as a result of chasing a sock, but I'm trying to see what I find and what I can improve or what should be gotten rid of because it doesn't meet policy. I noticed you commented on a related geographical discussion, so I figured you might have an idea on the following: an undiscovered sock that created Shadore, a village in a union council. I can't G5 it because the sock wasn't blocked at the time it created the article. I have proof the place exists per a map, but that's not sufficient per WP:GEOLAND. What I don't know is whether this is a "subdivision" that shouldn't have an article or a "legally recognized entity" that should, because there's not enough information in the article. In either case, the article is terrible, but Wikipedia supposedly has a "gazetteer function" (not my words) that allows for geographical articles with very little justification or content. MSJapan (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@MSJapan: Hi. Actually, union councils are the lowest tier of subdivisions. What that means is normally, villages are union councils in their own right. Or more broadly, a union council consists of a village and its surrounding areas. This list indeed shows Shamdarra as a union council of Mansehra District, but not Shadore. So I assume Shadore is part of the Shamdarra union council vicinity, as the article claims. I think it'd be best to refer to the notability guidelines concerning small villages, as you pointed out. In case those are not satisfied, there is always the option of redirecting it to Shamdarra. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 18:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

So if I'm reading that right, if a union council has/is a village, then it wouldn't have another village at the same level under it, right? So in this case, I'd guess that Shadore would be part of the larger village, and more akin to a section or neighborhood? It also seems that maybe it isn't separately legally recognized? MSJapan (talk) 18:50, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

For the first question, yes. A village can't have a village inside it. The union council itself is a village. So my assessment is that it's most likely a non-notable neighborhood. I did a brief search now, and the lack of sources confirms that. I would suggest redirecting it. Mar4d (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Union Council is a bigger entity than a village. Most UCs contain many villages in them. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps; it's a bit of a grey area, as most articles on union councils on Wikipedia are on villages, and rarely have I seen a union council having many components. Union councils of Pakistan (although unsourced) says "A village council usually comprises a large village and surrounding areas, often including nearby small villages". So my assessment of a UC is that it is based on a central village and its surrounding locales (the central village in this case being Shamdarra). I guess we'd have to subscribe to notability guidelines as far as the "surrounding" areas are concerned, because many of them may just be neighborhoods or tiny settlements. The Punjab Local Government Act goes a little into "Delimitation of Union Councils" into "wards", though that is pretty micro-level and more for election purposes; it defines a ward as "a village, one or more adjoining villages" or "census blocks" (in urban areas). That probably blurs the line between a notable or non-notable entity, which is where the notability guidelines come into play, IMO. Mar4d (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

OK, it's iffy enough for me to take a shot at it. MSJapan (talk) 19:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Village Council is a different entity than the Union Council. The above definition given by Mar4d fits the VC. VC usually comprises one village and maybe some small surrounding areas but UC is a quite bigger entity and the surrounding villages are not usually that smaller in comparison to the village after which the UC is named or headquartered in. Big cities can contain many UCs in them but when it comes to village areas, a UC can contain many villages. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:18, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, technically, village councils are smaller than UCs. But in the current administrative setup, we only have districts, tehsils, and union councils, and it is unlikely to be devolved further beyond UCs anytime soon. AFAIK, only Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province has so far replaced UCs with VCs [1], but the financial viability and administrative costs of it remain questionable. As far as Wikipedia's concerned, we're still dealing with the union council units. Mar4d (talk) 05:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Aman ki Asha edits

Hi Mar4d. I noticed that you removed the "criticism" section of the Aman ki Asha article. I placed the criticism section there because, without it, the article gives "undue weight" to Aman ki Asha's self-stated intentions of "faciliating dialogue". I say this because, in your edit where you removed the two quotations from Tarek Fatah, a notable Pakistani-Canadian, you justified the revision on the basis that such criticisms have "undue weight". I'll edit the article to improve what I now see as "not the most neutral" edit that I originally made. Thanks. Svabhiman (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@Svabhiman: Thanks for editing that article to introduce alternative views. Criticism of the concept should be added as it is covered by different sources, however it is important that WP:WEIGHT is also considered. Generally, that section still needs some work. For example, in the WP:OPED cited, Fatah's quote is one of many criticisms so it is not clear why that quote in particular is emphasised on. Furthermore, Tarek Fatah is known for his hawkish views and sometimes presents opinions which appear to be drivel. His views can be presented as long as they're attributed, but he's not the most reliable source we have on Pakistan topics. In the quote "ISI aunties coming to India and running circles", it is not clear who he is referring to (if it's just about the Tarar-Tharoor issue, which is what I understand, then again we have the issue of WP:UNDUE). It also accuses a journalist of being an ISI agent, which as you know is an allegation requiring reliable sources (check out WP:BLP). If you want to improve that section, I would consider incorporating views of prominent politicians, academics, media, or public opinion within India concerning Aman ki Asha. The same can be done for Pakistan. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 04:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! After reading my initial revision, I realized how grossly non-neutral I had made the wording based on some of my own preconceptions, so I really appreciate you're calling me out on it so that I can improve as an editor/contributor. I share your observation that Tarek Fatah is absolutely non-neutral with respect to India-Pakistan relations. That said, the nature of criticism of Aman ki Asha from the "Indian" or "Pakistani" perspective is necessarily non-neutral. Perhaps the next step in editing the "Criticism" section should be to draw from academic literature on the track II aspect of Aman ki Asha. Thanks again! Svabhiman (talk) 10:56, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Svabhiman: Glad to see the convergence of views, concerning better coverage of the criticism. Good luck with the editing. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 11:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

(tps) There is plenty of academic coverage on the subject [2]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Pakistani passport

Thanks for ce the article. Please see if the first few paragraphs of the original article should be imported as well or otherwise they can be added elsewhere. Also, I have removed the external link that you added earlier today since the content is imported already. On a side note, I am planning to get more of his articles under CC-BY-SA so that relevant WP articles could be benefited. Will you be able to help me to identity the articles he wrote for Dawn.com that can be useful for Wikipedia? --Saqib (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I'll have a look, but from what I remember, it was mostly the history that I found valuable for that article. Good luck with getting his content licensed, I think it will be great for expanding coverage here. There are a lot of articles quite useful, so I don't have any particular favourites at the moment. But I'll definitely identify any in the future. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 19:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Purely procedural

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Not that you have been involved. But your page has  ;) _Muffled ^Pocketed 12:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

New Article requested Hyderabadi Chatni

Dear, I have been editing Wikipedia in office but now has been strictly prhibited from opening Wikipedia during office hours, I would definately write this article which I am requesting , but can't so you are request to write it kindly,New Article requested Hyderabadi Chatni , here is news reference of requested article which is in Sindhi language which can be machine translated into English or Urdu through Google translation. or you may correct it link is Hyderabadi Chatni حيدرآبادي چٽڻي and its Sindhi name is (حيدرآبادي چٽڻي),, Thanks ...Jogi 007 (talk) 07:46, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, if there are significant coverage in reliable sources, I will look into it. My most recent Pakistani food articles were Sai bhaji and chapli kebab :) Mar4d (talk) 11:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Both of those articles are nicely written. Thanks.Jogi 007 (talk) 10:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Your contribution in multiple Wikipedia articles have been phenomenal. Excellent work !!! Rugby9090 (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)