Talk:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

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2016 Coup d'Etat

The claim that it was a 'false flag' by the government should be removed because it does not conforms to neutrality rules, and represents bias. If not, the statements of government officials should be included to offer a balanced overview. --Reollun (talk) 23:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Agree. SaintAviator lets talk 02:46, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Agree as well, furthermore it currently sourced from a tabloid article. The lead already contains more than enough criticism to warrant delving into conspiracy theories. --Varavour (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Again, I think that this section: ...which among other factors raised the suspicion of a false flag event staged by the government itself. should be removed. The claim resembles a conspiracy theory and is pure conjecture. It doesn't have place on Wikipedia. Otherwise, we would be including all sorts of conspiracy theories in biographical articles of such importance.--Reollun (talk) 03:22, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps it could instead be mentioned after Gulen is named quoting him from the guardian "There is a possibility that it could be a staged coup and it could be meant for further accusations"[1], if not then surely Suleyman Soylu's accusation against the US should also be removed for the same reasoning? Lalichii (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

That's a better solution from what we have now.

--Reollun (talk) 12:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Faked diploma

• The diploma is from 1981, but the university has been founded in 1982
• The Dekan that claimed to sign the diploma was not a dekan before 1982
• The font used to print the document was not available in 1981.
• in 1981, Erdogan was a full time employee of the public transportation in istanbul.

See: http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/studium/recep-tayyip-erdogan-hat-er-sein-diplom-gefaelscht-a-1098259.html In other words, there is much more than doubt Schily (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Western lies as always :D Marmara University was founded in 1883, what a huge lie. Nobody has dignity in Europe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.111.128 (talk) 11:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

2003-2016 Press Freedom

It is recorded in several indices that during the reign of Prime Minister and President Erdogan, from 2003 until 2016, the freedom of press has diminished severely in Turkey. Please review the wikipedia article regarding the Press Freedom Index, Turkey has slided away from place 99 in the world to the 151th place of 180 countries recorded, situated right now in between Congo and Tajikistan. Question to the contributors: should this be mentioned in the article (section 5.6)? Another reference regarding press freedom in Turkey is available from [freedom house] NGO. There are more reports of official organisations (UN, OESO) and others that signaled the same decline in this period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.148.4.171 (talk) 00:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Main photo

2 questions:
1) Why such a bad photo? (face emotion)
2) Why not can edit page? (to change photo) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 00:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gl dili: Please read WP:IUP. If you have a better image that can be used, please upload it and link to it here; if other editors agree with you that it's better it will be used. “WarKosign” 13:18, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank. I think it should be located on the background of the government symbols or government symbol shall be clearly visible, facial emotions be not negative. For example Barack Obama or Putin. I offer 2 photo or 3: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan.JPG or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/President_Erdogan_%28cropped%29.jpg and if somebody will upload this image I will be very grateful https://www.tccb.gov.tr/assets/resim/genel/receptayyiperdogan-bio.jpg Gl dili (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Did anyone answer? Gl dili (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Any problems? Why did not anyone help? Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or not? Why can not I edit an article and not anyone help? Gl dili (talk) 13:27, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Please do not change the photo of Erdogan

2 reasons
1. Emotion Erdogan's face (on the previous photo, it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/RecepTayyipErdo%C4%9Fan_%28cropped%29.jpg) are not confidential, you agree? I'll explain: Erdogan too tense face is visible to the naked eye
2. On the previous photo Turkey badge on a suit is not color flag of Turkey, it is much darker, respectively Erdogan on this photo is not the symbol of the goverment because the color does not match, it is very important, as there are flags country which consist only of color Gl dili (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Selecting a lead image

A (4 February 2016)

B (14 May 2010)

C (June 2015)

Which do you prefer?

• A - Because B is six years older and that is what is most important. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Photo A is not Turkey symbol, icon much darker colors of national flag of Turkey, burgundy instead of red. Now, regarding the term of the photo, I propose to download a more modern image, the discussion here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan.jpg but no one is responsible — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 18:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Turkey symbol? The main element that we care about in the image is Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. That is what matters. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

You know. I'm amazed at what wikipedia still weak. Rather than load a new, normal, fresh image, you are ready to write mile texts to prove that photography A with a frowning face of Erdogan - normal. But we all understand perfectly well that it is not so! He even another country icon, repeat: icon in the photo A is not flag of Turkey! Flag of Turkey other color. On photo B flag of Turkey, red color! Compare https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Flag_of_Turkey.svg/250px-Flag_of_Turkey.svg.png. Color is very very important. For example: it Luxembourg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Luxembourg and that Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Netherlands. If no hue these flags can not be distinguished! Gl dili (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

These are all the images we have. If you want to find another one, you have to make sure the copyright status is acceptable. And are you talking about that tiny pin he has on his jacket? Is that what this is about? If so, I really don't think it matters. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

How about C? Nice haircut. No frown. Handsome and stately. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

And the frown is not so bad in A. To me, A says "Maybe I should have the shrimp salad." while B says "That was a pretty good lunch." and C says "I should not have had the shimp salad." But these expressions are slight. I still think recent is better and all three look good. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Let's not rush things, there is a photo I uploaded D but her why it was removed. We are still discussing this, but your editors can not say no one intelligible argument. Read for yourself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan.jpg your editors say wrong! I think you do it on purpose. Do you have some sort of responsibility lie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 21:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gl dili. The link for the undeletion request over at Commons is now this. Please understand that Commons is a different place from Wikipedia. The people there know very well what is allowed or not. That is their job. They are not lying or doing anything wrong. Please assume good faith. Anyhow, the C image is now in place and I like it the best. Apparently Nick.mon does too. It is a good choice. How about this: Let's leave C in place until or unless you get a better one uploaded. Of the choices we have now, C is good. You don't like the frowning one, and the other choice discussed here is very old. There are no better ones at Commmons from what I can see. I hope this is all okay. Best wishes and please do not be upset. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:55, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, finally, and the year has not passed! However, you have removed the discussion download images D, why? And the second! What's in the Arabic Wikipedia page on Erdogan made Putin and Medvedev? Yes, and in such poses as if he was their errand? Remove Putin or Medvedev! One president of a country is enough, add the president of another country. And I will upload photos D again be discussed in the near futureGl dili (talk) 18:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry Gl dili, I really do not understand what you are asking. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I have duplicates in the Russian language, too. I'm going to download the official photo Erdogan again, you have removed the discussion without giving more than one argument. Your editors lie, there is no such law in which you can not download photos from the official Turkish goverment websites. They are licensed CC Share Alike.

Rus: Я собираюсь загрузить официальную фотографию Эрдогана снова, вы удалили обсуждение не приведя не одного аргумента. Ваши редакторы врут, не существует такого закона при котором нельзя загружать фотографии с официальных турецких сайтов. Они имеют лицензию CC Share Alike. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 16:07, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I uploaded the photo again. I look forward to the discussion. BUT PLEASE, ATTENTION! DO NOT REMOVE THE DISCUSSION BEFORE I ANSWER!!!

thumb|Photo Erdogan from official sourse — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl dili (talk • contribs) 21:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry. Talk undelete is not removed, go to the archive. I returned to the previous photo. As agreed Gl dili (talk) 22:49, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Issues with the article

Even with a very cursory glance, I can identify a number of issues with this article, many aspects being potentially not compliant with WP:BLP:

• Firstly, the article goes into too much detail with some aspects (four sentences on a now-obscure exchange between Kılıçdaroğlu and Erdoğan in 2014, a statement by Laçiner, Mehmet Aksoy lawsuit and even the Armenian Genocide - whilst it should certainly be mentioned in the article, it is given more weight than the Kurdish issue or education or infrastructure or health care or justice, which is just absurd) whilst not being sufficiently up-to-date or going into the necessary detail with others (especially the 2016 purges and press crackdown, conflict with Gülenists since 2013 that immediately attracted my attention).
• I was disturbed by how the narrative in the lead was integrated in a framework of criticism, which was at points speculative (talking about Erdoğan allegedly staging the coup in the lead is a major BLP issue IMHO), rather than appropriately integrating criticism into the narrative. I have tried to ameliorate it, but it still persists.
• The sourcing seems to be poor. The references in the electoral fraud section, for example, are individual news articles, some from obscure websites. It is obvious that for us to be able to give due weight to issues over 14 years and identify important episodes to mention in the article, individual news articles about a specific event are not great sources. What we need, which will greatly increase the reliability and also erase doubts about BLP compliance, is academic literature on the subject, of which, as far as I am aware, there is a considerable volume out there.
• Overall, I think it is clear that this article needs to be divided into articles and summarised with a long-term perspective, perhaps with a structure revamp (maybe along the lines of the article for Vladimir Putin). --GGT (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

pronunciation audio file link issue

The link https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan%2C_Turkish_pronunciation.ogg opens a new window showing a media player. No sound happens. It thinks that it's playing-- it shows a Pause button instead of a Play button. I opened in three different browsers and the link does nothing. I used a media downloader add-on and the file downloaded does not play, I tried three different media players. What's worse, the text-based pronunciation key is vague on how to pronounce Tayyip Erdogan's name. Phonetically it would sound out similar to "tie up cardigan" but the key's description of the Turkish pronunciation is vague and it does not actually sound out the sound for you to hear. The key is as useful as trying to describe a sound to a deaf person-- it is nonsensical. So if the link to the pronunciation audio file could be fixed it would be very helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.45.146.101 (talk) 15:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Erdoğan, not Erdogan

On a separate note, can all the editors please exercise care, especially if they are editing the lead section, to standardise the spelling? --GGT (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I have standardised that throughout the article :) AlphaBetaGamma^{DeltaEpsilonZeta} 05:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Help Me

Erdogan has been Declaired sultan since 15 July 2016 http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/asia/turkey/16-01-2017/136625-erdogan_sultan-0/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.176.31 (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, if you wish a change to be made to this article, please use put the text {{edit semi-protected}} above any request, making sure you clearly explain what should be changed. Also, please make sure there are good quality sources for any changes. Thank you.  Seagull123  Φ  22:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Partial content

Hello, this article is biased in some sections on the side of the opponents of Erdogan and needs to be fixed to reflect unbalanced rhetoric in accordance with Wikipedia. Thank you. 4world2read (talk) 03:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)