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Requested move 30 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Clear and valid consensus, but see closing comment below. Andrewa (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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Nagorno-Karabakh Republic → Republic of Artsakh – The new name. I see it in a few places in English and altho it's not common yet, it is their name (which can also be translated Artsakh Republic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Support. Above, I said it seemed premature as the official sites hadn't switched over, but they're beginning to; [1], [2], and [3] all mention Artsakh as the primary name, though in many places of course it still mentions NK. And I said that there isn't really a "common" name for the country in English, as it's not exactly part of the linguistic consciousness like "Germany" or "Japan" are, so we don't even need preponderance of usage. It's not a situation like Burma/Myanmar, where the people who renamed the country are considered somehow illegitimate. And it's not like Cabo Verde/Timor-Leste/Cote d'Ivoire, where the rename is purely an untranslation. The country has changed names, and English doesn't care, so we must move it. --Golbez (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - re ngrams and the other clear leads visible in Google general searches and news searches. Imc (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Your link goes to 2008. I'm reasonably confident that a name change from 2016 or 2017 will not show up in that. Not that it matters, though, since ... I mean, see how many zeroes there are after the decimal point? There simply is no "common" name for this country in English. One term may have been used more, but that doesn't mean it's a solid exonym that overrules local naming. Finally, there's the matter that the name "Nagorno-Karabakh" is a Russian name, and the locals have decided to go with a local name. That should matter. --Golbez (talk) 13:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Support — Per what Golbez said.
—Rye-96 (talk) 11:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination and Golbez's effective and equitable evaluation of the issue. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: If this passes I hope whoever makes changes to the article itself is very careful to preserve Nagorno-Karabakh wherever appropriate, e.g. in quotes, or things that existed in the past like "The Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army was officially established on 9 May 1992 as a defense against Azerbaijan." It would be easy but inappropriate to go through and universally replace the name. —DIYeditor (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Republic of Artsakh

Nagorno-Karabakh

Republic of Artsakh vs Nagorno-Karabakh

• Support per nom. This article deals with the contemporary state which is now called Republic of Artsakh and not the historical region. This move does not affect the name of the Nagorno-Karabakh article and I echo User:DIYeditor's admonition. —  AjaxSmack  02:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, absolutely. They only have the authority to name their own country, not the region it's in. *that* would take a preponderance of sources and common usage to overrule. But a country can rename itself. --Golbez (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Shouldn't it be moved to "Artsakh", instead of "Republic of Artsakh"? Presumably "Artsakh" is the short form name, and since "Artsakh" already redirects here, naming the article "Republic of Artsakh" would be over-disambiguating. --Golbez (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • "Artsakh" also refers to Artsakh (historic province), the Kingdom of Artsakh and pre-1991 Nagorno-Karabakh. Until this undiscussed move a few months ago, "Artsakh" was the title of the historic province article. It should probably be a disambiguation page. —  AjaxSmack  01:32, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support move. I'm normally fairly conservative on political page moves, but here it seems like there is no reason to keep the old name.  ONR  (talk)  01:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: I note that this move overwrites the history of attempts at cut-and-paste moves by an IP, most recently 17:38, 26 February 2017‎ 82.199.208.154 (talk | block)‎ . . (95,139 bytes) (+95,101)‎, and subsequent indefinite page protection that seems to have been effective but is no longer necessary. Andrewa (talk) 20:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

• Closing comment: I'm disappointed that several old hands above don't cite WP:NAMECHANGES, which seems the obvious policy to apply here. But as I say above, consensus is clear and valid even without this, so I don't think my closing is a supervote anyway. But it would make it clearer still to cite policy rather than just appealing to personal opinion. Andrewa (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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Moved back

Some ... enterprising chap has decided to undo pretty much every rename from NKR to Artsakh. I've told them this was bad and unhelpful, maybe they'll explain themselves! But until then we should probably start fixing their mess. Or, we could wait and make sure they won't simply undo it. Or, we do it anyway so that when they do undo it, they're blocked for edit warring. Either way. --Golbez (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Golbez, Hi, I have reverted back the pages that the user disrupted. I hope there was nothing that I missed. Thank you for bringing the issue back at the noticeboard. I hope the user will not go back to the same disruptive edits after his block expires. --Growupon (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Artsakh (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 02:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Moving some of the related pages

I wanted to start a discussion regarding a number of articles relating to the Republic of Artsakh. I think it's easier to have a joint discussion regarding all of the articles rather than having separate ones as the issue is the same for all of them. Once I saw that this article was moved, I began moving the articles that use the name "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic to "Republic of Artsakh" and "Nagorno-Karabakh" to "Artsakh". However, after I moved certain articles, that move was reversed. Those articles include, History of Nagorno-Karabakh, Culture of Artsakh, Music of Artsakh, Religion in Nagorno-Karabakh and List of mosques in Nagorno-Karabakh. I am sure that there are more types of articles that would relate to this issue. Culture of Artsakh and Music of Artsakh were both reverted back by me after the user and I both left comments here. It is very clear that Artsakh should be used for the name of those two articles as they clearly refer to the cultures and music of the self-declared republic. The user's argument for reverting the other articles was that "Nagorno-Karabakh" is the neutral term for the region while "Artsakh" is solely the Armenian name, however from what I got from the discussion to move this page and the actual articles of Republic of Artsakh and Nagorno-Karabakh the areas currently controlled by the de facto independent republic are referred to as "Republic of Artsakh" or simply "Artsakh" and the territory of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO are referred to as "Nagorno-Karabakh".

With that being said, my personal opinion is that the following articles should also be renamed to reflect the name move that occurred here, as articles such as History of Nagorno-Karabakh refer to the areas currently controlled by the self-proclaimed republic rather than just the territories of the former Nagorno-Karabakh AO. It also makes all of the articles relating to this topic a lot more consistent and less confusing. Please share your opinion about this issue so that we can come to a consensus. Thank you. --Growupon (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Country code in Infobox

The "|country_code NKR" isn't working and displaying properly because:

• country_code is now most likely called iso3166code (Template:Infobox_country)
• NKR is not a valid ISO3166-1 3-alpha code

Replacing "|country_code= NKR" with "|iso3166code= omit" fixes the problem. Feel free to make the edit. 2001:569:79AE:3200:A028:B373:8CF:68CA (talk)