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Need help request from Bannie1026 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with my article I would like to add to the "Newark Police Department" page. Do you have any advice for me?

Here is the rough draft my article: History The foundation for the Newark Police Department dates back to 1681 when two men were appointed as watchmen to preserve peace and crime in the town at night. Eventually, these responsibilities extended to more individuals and a group of seven watchmen were appointed to the four watch districts in Newark. Once Newark became incorporated in April 1836, Mayor William Halsey decided to extend a notion to institute the "City Watch." The City Watch consisted of policemen who were responsible for patrolling the streets of Newark. In 1855, the watchmen were officially associated as the Constables and the Night Watch were those who kept watch at nighttime. In April 1857, the Newark Police Department was established when the municipal police replaced the Night Watch and Constables.

--Bannie1026 (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2018 (UTC)Annie

• Hi Bannie1026, I think that this is an excellent start! My only note would be to try and find more sourcing to help back up claims and to also see if you can find more details to add to the section. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bannie1026 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

References

Need help request from Devin7077 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with this project

--Devin7077 (talk) 02:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Devin7077, what type of help do you need? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Here, and not here

Although on occasion it seems worthwhile, mostly I feel that it is a complete waste of time to discuss topics with students enrolled in Wiki Ed courses, especially when it's getting close to the last class before exams. AFAICT, students are not really here to improve the encyclopedia. Would love to see a statistic comparing the average total number of edits by Wiki Ed students in the six-month period after their course ends, to the average total number of edits by newbie editors who have edited for at least four months, in the six-month period following that. I know retention is low, and my data is merely anecdotal, but for students I get the feeling that that statistic may be zero, or close to it. Which maybe means I'm misusing my time. If we don't hear by tomorrow, I'm going to revert this edit at Transfeminism; I'm not going to clean up after them if it's complicated, I have better stuff to do. Mathglot (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• I still want to thank you for the work you've done so far - you've definitely gone above and beyond with a lot of articles. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

X in Pennsylvania

I have come across two pages doing npp tonight about a particular policy area in Pennsylvania and see that they both trace back to a Robert Morris class. The first one I left and monitored and has currently been PROD Property taxes in Pennsylvania the second one I moved to draft [1]. They both have some formatting issues with the lead which would be OK, but also read closer to a research essay than an encyclopedia article and as topic areas feel like they're really WP:OR. I see there are several other articles like this for the class and then a variety of legislative districts. I would suggest that those district pages are a better use of students time than the policy oriented pages. Time permitting I plan to circle back to those other topics in the morning but thought you might be able to help guide the students and or professor as well. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks Barkeep49 - I'll definitely go take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:37, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Rhoda biblical figure

thank you for the respectful message concerning my edits of the Rhoda page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamColeEdwards (talk • contribs) 17:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• No problem - I know what it's like, being a new editor on Wikipedia. Something else I forgot to mention was that WP:TEAHOUSE is a really awesome place to get help at a moment's notice, at any time of day or night. This is a help forum set up for newer editors in general and while the board stays a little busy, this also means that there's typically someone watching the board that can help you. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Conradbaer (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

upload the video on my sandbox. I am struggling to upload a video. How can I do it?

--Conradbaer (talk) 01:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Conradbaer, the upload media extension of VisualEditor doesn't always work so your best bet is to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Your training module on this should give an overview, but definitely let me know if you have any questions! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Krich

Hello.

I need help with...

moving my article out of my sandbox and onto the main space

--Krich 15:04, 27 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaylaRichardson (talk • contribs)

• Hi KaylaRichardson! Looks like you moved it - it looks good, my main two notes would be to be careful of sourcing since websites like Find a Grave aren't seen as reliable since the info is all user submitted and to also make sure that the article is neutral in tone. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from AshMillette (talk)

Hello.

I have a draft completed for a new theme subsection in the Gulliver's Travels article; the theme that I worked on is comic misanthropy. Can you please look it over and give me some feedback on whether or not the tone is neutral enough for Wikipedia?

Thank you, --AshMillette (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi AshMillette! This looks good - my only note would be to see if you can find other sources about this, especially ones that argue against it being comic misanthropy (if they exist) as this can help round out the section a little. You should continue to tweak the section but so far this looks good. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback.

-AshMillette (talk) 18:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Ladaggs33 (talk)

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I need help with... my sandbox draft on Audre Lorde's contributions to the Third World feminist discourse. Here is my draft.

Hello.

I need help with... I am ready to transfer the information about Audre Lorde and her contributions to the Third World feminist discourse.

Contributions to the Third World Feminist Discourse Around the 1960s, second-wave feminist discourse became centered around discussions and debates about capitalism was a “biased, discriminatory, and unfair” institution, especially within the context of the rise of globalization in the coming decades. The third wave emerged in the 1990s after calls for “a more differentiated feminism” by first world women of color and third world women, such as Audre Lorde, who maintained their critiques of first world feminism for tending to veer toward “third world homogenization.” This term was coined by radical dependency theorist, Andre Gunder Frank, to describe the inconsideration of the unique histories of third world countries (in the process of forming development agendas) (McMichael, ). Audre Lorde was critical of the first world feminist movement “for downplaying sexual, racial, and class differences” (Peet and Hartwick, 161) and the unique power structures and cultural factors which vary by region, nation, community, etc. Other women of this period echoed Lorde’s sentiments. Collectively they called for a “feminist politics of location, which theorized that women were subject to particular assemblies of oppression, and therefore that all women emerged with particular rather than generic identities” (Peet and Hartwick, 164). While they encouraged a global community of women, Audre Lorde, in particular, felt the homogenization of third world women could only lead to a disguised form of oppression with its own forms of othering third world women into figures of deviance and non-actors in theories of their own development. Audre Lorde cautioned against the “institutionalized rejection of difference” in her essay, “Age, Race, Class, and Sex: Women Redefining Difference,” fearing that when “...we do not develop tools for using human difference as a springboard for creative change within our lives [,] we speak not of human difference, but of human deviance”(Lorde, 116). Lorde saw this already happening with the lack of inclusion of literature from women of color in the second wave feminist discourse. She found that “the literature of women of Color [was] seldom included in women’s literature courses and almost never in other literature courses, nor in women’s studies as a whole” and pointed to the “othering” of women of color and Third World reason as the reason. By homogenizing these communities and ignoring their difference, “...women of Color become ‘other,’ the outside whose experiences and tradition is too ‘alien’ to comprehend” (Lorde, 117 ), and thus, prevailingly unworthy of scholarly attention and differentiated scholarship. Audre Lorde called for the embracing of these differences, rather than the ignoring of them. In the same essay, she proclaimed, “now we must recognize difference among women who are our equals, neither inferior nor superior, and devise ways to use each others’ difference to enrich our visions and our joint struggles” (Lorde, 122). Doing so would lead to more inclusive and thus, more effective global feminist goals. Lorde theorized that true development in Third World communities would and even “the future of our earth may depend upon the ability of all women to identify and develop new definitions of power and new patterns of relating across differences” (Lorde, 123). In other words, the individual voices and concerns of women and color and Third World women would be the first step in attaining the autonomy with the potential to develop and transform their communities effectively in the age (and future) of globalization. In a keynote speech at the National Third World Gay and Lesbian Conference on October 13th, 1979 titled, “When will the ignorance end?” Lorde reminded and cautioned the attendees’ “There is a wonderful diversity of groups within this conference, and a wonderful diversity between us within those groups. That diversity can be a generative force, a source of energy fueling our visions of action for the future. We must not let diversity be used to tear us apart from each other, nor from our communities that is the mistake they made about us. I do not want us to make it ourselves….and we must never forget those lessons: that we cannot separate our oppressions, nor yet are they the same” McMichael, Phillip. Development and Social Change: A Global Perspective. 4thth ed., Thousand Oaks, California, Pine Forge Press, 2008.(Byrd, Cole, Guy-Sheftall, 209). In other words, while common experiences in racism, sexism, and homophobia had brought the group together and that commonality could not be ignored, there must still be a recognition of their individualized humanity. Years later, on August 27th, 1983, Audre Lorde delivered an address from the “litany of commitment” at the March on Washington. “Today we march,” she said, “lesbians and gay men and our children, standing in our own names together with all our struggling sisters and brothers here and around the world, in the Middle East, in Central America, in the Caribbean and South Africa, sharing our commitment to work for a joint livable future. We know we do not have to become copies of each other in order to be able to work together. We know that when we join hands across the table of our difference, our diversity gives us great power. When we can arm ourselves with the strength and vision from all of our diverse communities, then we will in truth all be free at last” (Byrd, Cole, Guy-Sheftall, 212). Afro-German feminist scholar and author, Dr. Marian Kraft interviewed Audre Lorde in 1986 to discuss a number of her literary works and poems. In this interview, Audre Lorde articulated hope for the next wave of feminist scholarship and discourse. When asked by Miriam Kraft, “Do you see any development of the awareness about the importance of differences within the white feminist movement?” Lorde replied with both critiques and hope; “Well, the feminist movement, the white feminist movement, has been notoriously slow to recognize that racism is a feminist concern, not one that is altruistic, but one that is part and parcel of feminist consciousness.. I think, in fact, though, that things are slowing changing and that there are white women now who recognize that in the interest of genuine coalition, they must see that we are not the same. Black feminism is not white feminism in Blackface. It is an intricate movement coming out of the lives, aspirations, and realities of Black women. We share somethings with white women, and there are other things we do not share. We must be able to come together around those things we share” (Broeck, Bolaki, 50). Dr. Miriam Kraft summarized Lorde’s position when reflecting on the interview; “Yes, we have different historical, social, and cultural backgrounds, different sexual orientations; different aspirations and visions; different skin colors and ages. But we share common experiences and a common goal. Our experiences are rooted in the oppressive forces of racism in various societies, and our goal is our mutual concern to work toward ‘a future which has not yet been’ in Audre’s words” (Broeck, Bolaki, 45).

Sources Broeck, Sabine, and Stella Bolaski. Audre Lorde's Transnational Legacies. Boston, University of Massachusetts Press, 2015, pp. 45-50.

Lorde, Audre. "I Am Your Sister: Collected and Unpublished Writings of Audre Lorde." I Am Your Sister: Collected and Unpublished Writings of Audre Lorde, edited by Rudolph P. Byrd, Johnetta B. Col, and Beverly Guy-Sheftall, Oxford, Oxford University Press, 2009, pp. 209-12.

Hartwick, Elaine, and Richard Peet. Theories of Development: Contentions, Arguments, Alternatives. 2ndnd ed., New York City, Guilford Press, 1999, pp. 161-72.

Lorde, Audre. Sister Outsider: Essays and Speeches by Audre Lorde. Berkeley, Crossing Press, 1984, pp. 116-23.

McMichael, Phillip. Development and Social Change: A Global Perspective. 4thth ed., Thousand Oaks, California, Pine Forge Press, 2008.

--Ladaggs33 (talk) 06:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

--Ladaggs33 (talk) 06:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Ladaggs33, can you break this into paragraphs? It's a little hard to read in one large chunk like this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:07, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Cori83 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with removing a "user sandbox" label in the legacy section of Ibn Khaldun's page. This label appears even when I access the page while logged out of Wikipedia, so I'm fairly sure it's not specific to my account and is on the main Ibn Khaldun page. I can't find any indications of it while editing the section to remove it.

--Cori83 (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Cori83, I've removed it for you! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Rowecaitlin (talk)

Hello!

I'm trying to publish this article, and I'm having a great deal of trouble. I've review every piece of writing on this topic provided by Wikipedia, and I'm still unable to find out what I'm doing wrong. I'd love your expert advice!

--Rowecaitlin (talk) 13:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Rowecaitlin! The draft looks to have been moved - the article looks good, so my only note would be to add more sourcing if possible. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Brittanyweis (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... I have an assignment for a University course that is drafting an edit to the A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man Wikipedia article with a partner. We have just completed our first draft under the "Themes" and "Reception" section and were hoping to get some feedback on what to change before we attempt to move it over to Wikipedia.

--Brittanyweis (talk) 17:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Brittanyweis, I think that this is good so far - my main note is that you need to make sure to attribute claims to specific scholars in order to show that it isn't your own original research. (IE, that you're summarizing someone else's interpretation of the material rather than writing out your own interpretations.) I've added some attribution to the draft as an example of how it can show up. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Amandav05 (talk) 17:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I have added three addition sources to the article Zero (Spanish magazine). I am wondering if it is appropriate for me to remove the template that says additional citations for verification are required. There is no one else currently working on the page so I cannot go to the talk page for consensus. Thank you. Amandav05 (talk) 17:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Amandav05! As long as all of the major claims in the article are sourced, I don't see why not. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from 688GlRv (talk)

Hello.

I need help with citing a book chapter in an anthology.

Here's an example when I tried: Coughlan, J. Michelle (2012). "Absolutely Punk: Queer Economies of Desire in Tarzan of the Apes". In Churchwell, Sarah. Must Read: Rediscovering American Bestsellers: From Charlotte Temple to The DaVinci Code. London, England: Continuum. p. 187. ISBN 978-1441162168.

It does not recognize the editor.

How can I correctly cite an article from a book on Wikipedia?

Thank you.

--688GlRv (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi 688GlRv, you can always add the citation by adding <ref> and </ref> to each end of the citation so that it looks like this:

<ref>Coughlan, J. Michelle (2012). "Absolutely Punk: Queer Economies of Desire in Tarzan of the Apes". In Churchwell, Sarah. Must Read: Rediscovering American Bestsellers: From Charlotte Temple to The DaVinci Code. London, England: Continuum. p. 187. ISBN 978-1441162168.</ref>

It doesn't absolutely have to be in the template format - it just has to have the basic information about what you're using in the source. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Arkansas State University/ENG3053 Digital Writing (Spring 2018)

Have you seen the list of articles? It is, in general, a horrible list that resembles a spammer's client roster, and it even includes a vanity bio already deleted at AFD. How were these subjects chosen? --Calton | Talk 00:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Calton - I'm definitely looking into this course and will ask the instructor about how the article choices were chosen. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Rutgers/Languages in Peril (Spring) ‎

I'd also like to draw your attention to this issue. --Calton | Talk 00:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Calton - I just posted to the student's talk page. I'm sorry that you've run into this and I (along with the professor) will definitely work with them so this doesn't continue. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Kassidy Veasaw (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

Uploading a picture that I created myself in paint. I named the file correctly, and checked the "this is my own work" but wiki will not let me upload my picture. It says the media file cannot be uploaded.

--Kassidy Veasaw (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Kassidy Veasaw, are you trying to upload it via VisualEditor? If so, then VisualEditor will often have issues with uploading content so it's better to upload it via Wikimedia Commons. Our module on uploading images and media will give a good overview of the process as well as some of the general guidelines. On a side note, Ian (Wiki Ed) is the Content Expert for your course, so he's the main person you should turn to with any questions. This one was an easy one, but with more science oriented questions he's the man in the know. :) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Boise State University/English 102 sec 019 (Spring 2018)

These editors have been instructed in basic article content expectations? [2] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:03, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Happened again. [3] Vermont (talk) 00:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• We've given them some training modules, but I'll reach out to the instructor about this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Jasmine.tsui (talk)

Hi Shalor!

I recently edited the Employment Discrimination page as part of a class project and noticed that all my edits have been erased after a week or so. I was wondering if you could help me figure out why and get my edits back so my professor can grade my work. Thank you, Jasmine

--Jasmine.tsui (talk) 18:41, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• I'll reply on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Need Help Request for Jasmine cont.

Thanks for the quick response Shalor! I was wondering if there was an easy way to get the edits back without individually adding each one because I made quite a lot. I saw there was an undo button but I didn't want to make any drastic edits like the other student did so I wanted your help. Is there anyway to revert the page back to when my edits were posted and have the student who copied and pasted the old article with his edits reedit the page properly? Here is what the page used to look like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination?oldid=838063113

It is not only my additions and edits but the entire By Region section(which I made some edits in) that is also deleted. Jasmine.tsui (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Jasmine.tsui, someone has reverted the student's edits so your edits should once again be visible. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Pierre Bourdieu

Hi! I have added to Bourdieu's page some additional information about his views on social capital in the section Species of Capital and Symbolic Violence. Is there anything I can do further to improve the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sk2266 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Sk2266, I'll reply on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Two articles, same subject: Alma Dea Morani and Alma Dea Morani

Hi Shalor,
@Sabrinachaudry, Kyleighturpin, and C.Fred:
Articles about the same person - Alma Dea Morani - have been created in a WikiEd project under two different spellings:

• Alma Dea Morani on 21:16, April 27, 2018 UTC
• Alma Dia Morani on 22:44, April 26, 2018 UTC

The incorrect spelling was the article created first. I am aware that here is a process to remedy this.
Could you possibly look into this?
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Shhh, TYG79, this is just between you and me, OK? While we both have teh admin buttons, I quite frankly have somewhere between "no clue at all" and "almost no clue at at all" about how to do this sort of technical stuff. Please don't tell anyone else I said this!

• Shirt58 - no worries! I know how to merge things, but heaven help me if I have to un-merge them! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Hmckeough (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... figuring out how to insert headers and content boxes. Thank you.

Hadyn McKeough

--Hmckeough (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Shalor,

I am having trouble inserting headers and a content box. Any advice?

Thank You,

Hadyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmckeough (talk • contribs) 21:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Hmckeough! Are you using Visual Editor? It's generally easier to edit with this format and you can enable it by following the directions here. You can add headers into the article by styling it like this: ==Header==. I do have some notes, though, which I'll leave on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Restoring User:ToriNaz3's contribution to her userspace

Hi Shalor, I'd very much like to take a look at ToriNaz3's page for grading purposes, but it has been completely deleted. Chuck Haberl (talk) 22:16, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Chuck Haberl: Just for reference, the page is History of Maori Language and the deleting administrator was RHaworth.

Also, just would like to make a general suggestion. I think it's great the teachers try to incorporate Wikipedia into their classes in various ways; however, I think if teachers are going to be grading their student's work, then they should be instructing their students to not try and add their work to the article namespace until it has been graded. Technically, any page on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime, but most experienced editors will leave sandboxes, userspace drafts and drafts alone unless there are some serious issues which need immediate attention (e.g., WP:COPY or WP:BLP violations) or they are asked to help in some way. These same editors will, on the other hand, have no qualms about going in an cleaning up articles if they think relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines are not being followed. They will not wait to be asked and they most likely don't care who's being graded. A student might wake up one morning to find their "work" completely changed or deleted, which is something that lots of editors have a little difficulty grasping at first. At the same time, the teacher might be grading something which may not truly reflect the student's work, for better or worse. Maybe some teachers know enough to check edit histories to actually see which edits were made by their students, but I'd guess that such teachers are probably in the minority. If for some reason part of the student's grade is based upon whether they can "publish" an article in Wikipedia, then they should be advised to submit them via WP:AfC and not just rely on "peer reviews" from their fellow classmates. AfC reviewers tend to have lots of experience creating/review articles and generally don't accept drafts that are likely to be quickly deleted. AfC reviewers also usually provide specific reasons why drafts are declined and offer suggestions or advice on how to improve things. It's not a perfect system for sure, but it tends to eliminate articles being speedily deleted for reasons such as WP:ACSD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:59, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for all your advice. Shalor is the WikiEdu liaison for the course. If you had checked the talk page of the student in question, you would have seen that she asked the student to comment on her Talk page if she wanted the page to be restored to her userspace. Unfortunately, I have to submit grades immediately and do not have the luxury of time.

If you're not familiar with WikiEdu, the students enroll in a dashboard and participate in a series of training modules before the final stage in which they move their articles into mainspace. Students learn at different paces, however, and unfortunately not all of the lessons "take." When mistakes happen, it naturally reflects poorly on the instructor and the school, perhaps more than the student herself, and for that reason I'm growing more skeptical of the use of Wikipedia in the classroom. I've been doing this for 3 years, and despite the wonderful support from WikiEdu, it hasn't always been 100% successful, to put it mildly. Chuck Haberl (talk) 00:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I saw the posts on the student's user talk page. I simply added the link and a ping to RHaworth, just to make him aware of your post here. If, however, you're really pressed for time, then you might try posting on User talk:RHaworth and directly asking him to userfy the deleted the content. You can also ask for help at WP:REFUND. There's no guarantee, but requests such as these tend to be granted as long as there are no major problems, such as WP:COPYVIO or WP:BLP, with the content. Try to remember that adminsitrators like everyone else occasionally get WP:BUSY, so please be patient if you don't get an immediate response. Maybe the student could, in the meantime, try and recreate the deleted content in their user sandbox.

As for your experiences with Wiki Ed, it's unfortunate that some have not been positive. I not a liason like Shalor, but I've come across quite a number of articles created by students in the past which have had problems. Mistakes are expected on Wikipedia, especially from new editors who might be unfamilair with all of the various policies and guidelines; so, I don't think most editors are going to think badly of the students, their instructors, or their schools as long as the mistakes are made in good faith and don't start to become disruptive. I do think though that the pressure of being graded and due dates might be a reason why many students seem to be in a rush to add their work to the mainspace, but Wikipedia usually doesn't follow deadlines established by outside third parties. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:19, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from NaetteYokoLee (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

reviewing to make sure my sources and text are appropriate.

--NaetteYokoLee (talk) 02:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi NaetteYokoLee, your draft looks good - my only note is about the image. It needs more information about the source, so that people can verify that the image is held under a compatible license to Wikipedia. The main issue with images is that most are held under a license that doesn't allow it to be posted to Wikipedia. If you want, I can definitely help with this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:41, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Laura.smith450 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with reviewing my sandbox section titled Article Rough Draft. We will be working on peer reviews this week as well. I am working on my bibliography section and is still in need of much improvement.

Thanks for all of your help.

--Laura.smith450 (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Laura.smith450, I'll reply on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Image

Hi Shalor,

I received the image from the playwright that wrote and directed the production Gene Miles - the Woman of the World. His name is Tony Hall. I know the source of the image as well. It was taken by a stylist the worked with her in the 60s. He has given permission for the photo to be used in promotional materials about Gene Miles. IT was used on the program and collateral for the play. Would it help if I got a release from either of these gentlemen? Tell me what you think is the best way to go about it.

This is for the class assignment, however, it is a very important article to Trinidad and Tobago and I am committed to working on it after the end of the semester as more documentation comes to light.

Please let me know how I should proceed.

Thanks for the assistance.

n.y. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaetteYokoLee (talk • contribs) 17:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi NaetteYokoLee, they would have to file the permission themselves, since it would essentially mean that they are donating the image to Wikipedia. Since they use this for promotional purposes, they may not want to do this since donating would allow anyone to edit and re-use the image, even for their own commercial reasons. If they're OK with this, they can use this to donate the image. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Supplementary question

Hi Shalor,

sorry to inundate you but there is one other thing. One of the key elements of the Gene Miles story is missing. She is said to have had an affair with a senior government official that may have contributed to the victimisation she faced after the Commission. It is mentioned in more than one of the sources since the individual in question was at the heart of another corruption scandal.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/news/politics/2010/03/14/o-halloran-s-ghost-haunts-pnm

http://star.worldbank.org/corruption-cases/node/18517

Anyone who is familiar with the story will know it is missing from the text. I was concerned about presenting the allegation because, even though it appears in the editorials, the play and one of the book-length accounts, it does not appear in official documents.

Do you have a sense of how I should treat this particular issue? I am careful to use my own words but I am not sure how I can make sense of it without a direct quotation from the source.

Thanks for your help,

n.y.

• Hi NaetteYokoLee - no problem, ask as many questions as you wish - it's what I'm here for! As far as the allegations go, that's a little tricky. It's unlikely to be confirmed by an official source given the type of allegation, so it has to be approached carefully. I would mention it in a single sentence, like this:

According to Raffique Shah, Miles had been conducting an affair with a senior government official, stating that "not even her relationship with the notorious John O'Halloran could save her from the might of the PNM" and that she died "a virtual vagrant, pauperised and made an outcast by the same Williams who had attacked corruption with full force-before he came to power!".

This will attribute the claim to a specific person, so that it presents it as less of an absolute fact, so to speak. If you wanted to tie this to the abuse, you'd have to find a source that specifically makes that claim. It has to be very carefully stated and the source has to be verifiable. Word of mouth (or email) isn't something that would suffice on Wikipedia, especially with this claim. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi NaetteYokoLee, just a follow-up comment: there are two aspects of Wikipedia's core neutral point of view policy that apply here:

• Avoid stating opinions as facts (and vice versa) — opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice, but attributed to their author.
• The principle of due weight recommends devoting proportionately less text to opinions held by a minority.

What this means, is, when something is pretty much universally accepted, you just say it, in Wikipedia's voice: The Earth revolves around the sun., not: Galileo says, "The Earth revolves around the sun." When something is more of an allegation or a minority opinion, you need to attribute it, either in reported speech: Johnson said that the Sun goes around the Earth. or by using quotation marks. When deciding how much to say about an allegation or minority view, keep due weight in mind, and be sure that you attribute it with citations to reliable sources. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 20:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks Mathglot! This is incredibly useful and definitely good advice for something like this! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:18, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Amitc008 (talk)

Hello Shalor,

I put a picture up for the article on "Emotional Intelligence", and it was uploaded. However within 10 minutes it was gone. For some reason when I try to re-upload it, the webpage is telling me that my image is a duplicate of a picture already posted for the page. But, the image is not there, so I am confused. Anyway, maybe i'm just not seeing the image because i'm the author. Can you let me know what's going on.

Thanks a bunch,

--Amitc008 (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Amitc008, it looks like it was removed by Jytdog with the argument that it wasn't relevant to the article. Offhand I can see his point - it's a nice picture to be sure, but it isn't really clear how it pertains to emotional intelligence. It shows a man in thought, but being in thought doesn't automatically connect it to emotional intelligence. A caption may help with this, as could editing the image to add in something that more clearly links it to emotional intelligence. Things like this do tend to be kind of hard to capture without making an image relatively complicated, as the idea of what emotional intelligence should look like is a little esoteric and vague. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from 68.113.163.239 (talk)

Hello.

Thank you for your response. What about an image of the same person expression themselves through their face?

--68.113.163.239 (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

• It might, but I'm just concerned that it still may not be clear enough - I really think that it would be good to accompany it with a quote that helps clarify how it relates. Also, make sure that you are always signed in when you edit. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Shalor, why is your response here, not "In Wikipedia, when there are disagreements, you should follow WP:BRD and open a discussion on the talk page about the image."? Jytdog (talk) 15:55, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
• I didn't know if adding a quote here would be enough or if it whole heartedly needed a discussion - I thought that if the vagueness was dealt with, that would be enough. But if you do think that a discussion would be best here, then it would be good to open one. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Amitc008 (talk)

Hi Shalor

I am requesting that you allow my image to be on the article for emotional intelligence. Aside from working very hard on it for a project, there are a couple reasons as to why I feel this image should be allowed.

1. The person who took my image off did not think well enough into their reasoning. Emotional Intelligence is the ability to recognize, understand, and manage one's emotions and the emotions of others. This picture is clearly an image of someone in thought.

2. Thoughtful is an emotion, and that is exactly what this person is doing. Here is a link to the many emotions we are capable of, and "Thoughtful" is on the list. There are many other sources that would agree.

3. This image goes with my argument: Since Emotional Intelligence (EI) was my main focus for the entire college semester (Kirsten Isgro's Communication & Culture course), I analyzed this concept thoroughly. This Wikipedia article is lacking an important aspect which is activism. The entire article is about the history of EI and what it is today. However, it says nothing about what people have done (or can do) to give people an idea as to how they can actually utilize EI as a skill. Here is a link to a scholarly journal about EI in organizations.

4. I am a women. It may seem ridiculous, but after reading about the gender gap in Wikipedia, I feel that my opinion should be emphasized, in order to increase the amount of female contributors. It truly discourages me seeing that it was so easy for someone to take off a meaningful picture.

Please get back to me with any questions, comments, or concerns. And thank you for reading. --Amitc008 (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Emotional intelligence also reflects abilities to join intelligence, empathy and emotions to enhance thought and understanding of interpersonal dynamics.

• Hi Amitc008, at this point this is something that you will need to discuss on the article's talk page - it's not up to me as the Content Expert to make the choice. When you post to the talk page, two things that I do want to caution you against would be statements that the other editor did not put enough thought into their removal or that your edits should hold more weight because you're female - both of these are things that can actually harm rather than help your argument.

I think that there are two different things that you could do in this situation:

1. The first is to discuss re-adding the image with a caption showing how the image relates to the article. The main issue Jytdog had with the image was that it wasn't really clear how the image related to the article, which is a valid concern - for example, while it may be clear to some people it may not be clear to all people and may be confusing. A caption will help with this, as it will explain how the image relates to emotional intelligence. I've given an example of such a caption here - it's a sentence taken from the article that deals with thought. Something I do have to caution you on as far as sourcing goes is that the one you give here for thoughtfulness isn't something that would be seen as reliable source on Wikipedia - scholarly and academic sourcing would be what you'd want for something like this.
2. Take a new photograph. It may be easier to take a new photograph that would more clearly show some of the aspects of emotional intelligence, such as two people talking and interacting. To help address the gender gap, you could have the photo be of two women. Since one of the things that you want to edit about is activism, you could add in aspects of this - maybe have the two women talking while holding a brochure or poster about emotional intelligence?

I hope that this helps - again, it's not that I don't want you to add it - it's more that at this point this is something that needs to be discussed on the article's talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Conradbaer (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

Move the article to public post. It refused allow me because it says Deaf Gain wikipedia article is already existed. Can you help me solve this? Thanks!

--Conradbaer (talk) 15:56, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

• Conradbaer, I'll respond on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Amitc008 (talk)

Hello.

I put an entirely new picture up and it was ALREADY taken off.... I don't know how to check why or who did it. I am getting aggravated.

--Amitc008 (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2018 (UTC)