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Change "White Supremacist" to "White Nationalist". Psychoticflora (talk) 15:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. L293D (☎ • ✎) 16:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Terms

Ok we seen to be having a problem with the wording again! can we get all to read the RfC and then comment here.--Moxy (talk)

Removal of reference

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jared_Taylor&oldid=prev&diff=852251297 I was asked to clarify. If you follow the reference it goes to a Google books page, specifically one of the book's reference pages. One of the listed references appears to be the actual reference that should be used. However, if you try to follow that reference it leads to a dead page. In neither instance does the location the link ends up at meet the standard of a reference, so I removed it. It seems pretty straightforward to me but if reference pages and dead links are now okay for Wikipedia then by all means, keep the reversion, I've noticed an overall lowering of standards on the site in step with the increased politicisation of certain pages. Yb2 (talk) 10:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He may not reply....but would likely point you to Wikipedia:Link rot.--Moxy (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor asserts

The article states "Taylor also asserts that there are racial differences in intelligence among the various ethno-racial groups across the world." Um... excuse me? TAYLOR ASSERTS that? He's the one who asserts that? This article seems to assert that he just pulled that assertion out of his backside because he can read IQ statistics and takes note of their blindingly obvious conclusions (the sophistic blabber and mental gymnastic explanations of liberal academics notwithstanding). The article also claims that he supports the White genocide conspiracy theory. He does point out the statistically projected demographic fact that all people are European descent are headed toward extinction, however, he does not personally use the term "White genocide". I do not believe this article is intentionally a smear, but many reasonable people may see it that way. I do heavily dispute the neutrality of this article, however. It does appear to have been written by people who do not care for him. 184.53.33.235 (talk) 07:38, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

hes own words.
Just a play on words [1] quote""I agree that 'genocide' is too strong," wrote Jared Taylor, editor of the pseudo-academic journal, American Renaissance. "It sounds like people attacking us with machetes and pitchforks. I think simple 'dispossession' is better. Also white nationalism sounds pretty stern, I think white advocacy sounds less scary but says what we want to say."

--Moxy (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"White separatist" - description in first line

Taylor is on record as saying he advocates separate race-based polities for those who want to, including whites or blacks. So "white separatist" would probably be more accurate than "white supremacist". He may well be a secret white supremacist (as might any white person), but he's not on record as saying so. I've no interest in living in such a place, but it's anybody's right to do so if they want, and their stated views should be honestly represented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.209.29 (talk • contribs)

Need sources. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/jared-taylor-alt-right-clinton-trump

https://www.cnet.com/news/white-nationalist-jared-taylor-american-renaissance-sues-twitter-for-account-suspension/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/what-white-separatist-expects-trump-administration/

There are three reliable sources per Wikipedia policy calling Taylor a White seperatist. Anything but "White supremacist". For God's sake, that label needs to be retired. It is a totally unhelpful, insanely stupid term to describe the extremely valid concerns felt by tens of millions of people of European heritage all around the planet (and growing exponentially). It may not be what Jared would identify as. But literally anything could can think of would be more accurate than "supremacist" nonsense. 184.53.33.151 (talk) 11:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the Guardian does not actually use "White separatist". Also, nicely pushed POV on Talk: maybe "racially paranoid" would be a more accurate term. ;) Newimpartial (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

just more rebranding. -Moxy (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We've been through this repeatedly. (I'd provide links to the archived discussions, but it's most of the archive.) While it is always possible that new sources or insight will change the consensus, continuing to beat the same dead horse will not. - SummerPhD^v2.0 00:59, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

White Genocide Section: American Spelling Needed

Whilst and organisation need to be changed to while and organization, respectively. Don't care where the Suidlanders are from, the article is about an American. Also, shouldn't Genocide have a capital G? 71.226.227.121 (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist (not to be confused with white supremacist). Pabloinhisprime (talk) 23:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Wikipedia isn't interested in euphemisms, and this has already been discussed many, many times. See Talk:Jared Taylor/Archive 4#RfC labeling in lede and the rest of the talk page's archives, for a start. Grayfell (talk) 00:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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change the term white Supremacist to white nationalist. Jared Taylor is not a "White Supremacist" he is a "White Nationalist". He does not preach white superiority only a white ethnostate. Lalayon (talk) 22:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done pls review the sources.--Moxy (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. "White Supremacy" is when someone is interested in dominating other races. Jared Taylor has NEVER expressed any such interest. Ever.

I have attempted many times to make a more fair and accurate description of the man, but people KEEP CHANGING MY EDITS. Stop reverting my edits when you don't know what you're talking about and you're wrong. I know for a fact Taylor is not a white supremacist, although he has been described as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem (talk • contribs) 02:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That you claim to "know for a fact" anything is irrelevant to Wikipedia. Taylor is widely described as a white supremacist by reliable sources, and reliable sources are what we base Wikipedia articles upon. Your edits have been reverted because they are disruptive, and further disruption will likely lead to your being indefinitely blocked from editing. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is based on what independent reliable sources say, not what you "know". If such sources said Taylor is a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would say Taylor is a cheese sandwich, without regard for what you or anyone else knows. Independent reliable sources say Taylor is a white supremacist, so Wikipedia says Taylor is a white supremacist. - SummerPhD^v2.0 02:49, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Japanese-born American..."

Is it necessary to highlight where Taylor was born in the first sentence of the lead? It does not make much sense to me, but want to check in here before removing. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

184.53.32 IP who has edit this page several times

See their contributions[2] - blocked once for pushing racism. Doug Weller talk 13:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Lead

The debate over whether it's fair to call him a "white supremacist" based on media descriptions of him aside, why should that be the lead? Being a white supremacist doesn't make a person notable. Some nobody living in his parents' basement could be a white supremacist. What makes Taylor notable is he is an author and public speaker. That should be the first line: Jared Taylor is an American author and public speaker. NFLExpert49 (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 See their contributions[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=250&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=184.53.32.0%2F24&namespace=&tagfilter=&start=&end=] - blocked once for pushing racism. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 13:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
+== The Lead ==
+The debate over whether it's fair to call him a "white supremacist" based on media descriptions of him aside, why should that be the lead? Being a white supremacist doesn't make a person notable. Some nobody living in his parents' basement could be a white supremacist. What makes Taylor notable is he is an author and public speaker. That should be the first line: Jared Taylor is an American author and public speaker. [[User:NFLExpert49|NFLExpert49]] ([[User talk:NFLExpert49|talk]]) 21:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)