Talk:Avengers: Endgame

cast division query

I think we should divide the cast members into 2 sections between who portrayed the survivors of Infinity War and the fallen heroes. Visokor (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I think its fine as isHAL333 00:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2019

How Captain Marvel gains her power in the wikipedia article is more reflective of the comics than the movie. It should be reworked by someone who has seen Captain Marvel. Dcwills (talk) 22:54, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

UK Release date

The article states that the UK's release date is the 26th whereas in reality it comes out a day earlier on the 25th. Check748 (talk) 06:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC) Avenger 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.106.43 (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

References

hello, I wonder if the full plot will be disclosed on the day after (presumably someone will have to see the movie and write it down) and what would be the policy in relating said plot in another language. thanks! Awambawamb (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC) it doesn't come out then it is released into theaters (btw i just made a comment and i'm not the person who made this)Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.248.64 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Avengers:Endgame is complete

According to this and several other sources, the directors has said its complete and ready to ship. Faromics (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Poster

Implementation of the new official poster to replace the current teaser poster? TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

It’s already there, you may need to empty your cache.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2019

Add name of Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the Ancient One in the cast list. 182.69.128.165 (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a reliable source.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

That isn't true HAL333 02:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2019

Please include the brand new official poster and replace the teaser poster. KingArti (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

 Already done: If you have visited the page recently, then you might need to clear your browser cache.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Ava Russo has a role in the movie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/03/16/avengers-endgame-joe-russo-daughter-ava-top-secret-role/ Someone add this in, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

not a reliable source, do you have anything better? HAL333 02:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

No...sorry, lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Given the above, I have now removed the claim again. Two separate editors have argued for two separate reasons that the information should not be in the article attributed to that source. (I actually would have no problem with saying ComicBook.com reported that Ava Russo was supposedly playing a "secret role" in the film, but that's not what was written.) Given this background, it really shouldn't be allowed back in the article pending talk page consensus. The ANEW report is completely separate from this as neither I nor apparently anyone else involved was aware of this prior talk page discussion. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Billing

I realise that the main cast list for this is a bit shorter than the Infinity War one, but I still could see some benefit in using the shorter listing from the top of the poster for the lead and infobox as we do at that page. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? - adamstom97 (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Nah, I think its fine as is HAL333 02:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

By making it shorter, you’re making the information presented inaccurate. If you’re gonna cut out Benedict Wong, Jon Favreau, and Gwyneth Paltrow, you might as well cut out half the cast from the billing on Avengers: Age of Ultron’s page. -DJordan18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJordan18 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2019

Change the poster of the Endgame teaser to the theatrical poster 2601:241:8100:E5C4:80F8:C973:D03E:E5B5 (talk) 01:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please provide a link to the file on wikipedia that you would like used instead DannyS712 (talk) 01:04, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

New Premise

Adrift in space with no food or water, Tony Stark sends a message to Pepper Potts as his oxygen supply starts to dwindle. Meanwhile, the remaining Avengers -- Thor, Black Widow, Captain America and Bruce Banner -- must figure out a way to bring back their vanquished allies for an epic showdown with Thanos -- the evil demigod who decimated the planet and the universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaminfour (talk • contribs) 05:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

We don't just make up our own premise based on the trailer, especially when the trailer doesn't even explain what the film is about. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Terms

"Following the events of Avengers: Infinity War, half of all life in the universe has been killed in an event dubbed 'The Decimation'." Decimate means to take one from every ten. This sentence contradicts itself. Half is not one tenth. 205.142.232.18 (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

No it doesn't. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: (Noticed this now because the IP came back and amended their post today.) Technically, the IP is right; "severely damage" or "remove a significant portion of" is kind of WP:SLANG-y in the opinions of a lot of English speakers familiar with the traditional meanings of these words. I'm actually not sure whether I agree with the IP that it is unacceptable to use the word in its colloquial sense in a Wikipedia article, but your above reply indicates either (a) an ignorance of the traditional meaning of the word or (b) a dismissive attitude toward those who would prefer that such words only be used according to such standards. Please refrain from making such comments in the future. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't tell me what I can and cannot say Hijiri. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL applies to everyone, even you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

...but not you? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

What about my above comments were uncivil? I should remind you that such accusations made without evidence are NPA violations. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@205.142.232.18: Merriam-Webster wrote an entire article about it. The first problem is that even if decimate did refer to the practice of killing one of every ten soldiers in Roman times, it did so in the service of Latin, not English.... Another problem with insisting that decimate should have but a single meaning is that very few words in English retain but a single meaning.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 06:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

To expand on Triiiple's reply, a quick Google search shows that not only does this word have multiple meanings (and choosing only one to be correct is just ridiculous) but also that we don't even know whether the "original meaning" is correct. This is essentially a common and silly misconception. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @TriiipleThreat: If you actually read the whole article, you'll see that it's making a subtle point about how words develop multiple meanings over time. It says that the word quickly developed multiple meanings, but the first of these secondary meanings is actually specifically related to "one tenth", not "kill". It is a criticism of prescriptive grammarians in general, and is not saying that the use of "decimate" to mean "severely cripple" or "kill a large portion of" is acceptable in formal writing.

Also, the OED blog is similarly irrelevant, since it is arguing that the "kill one tenth" meaning does not take precedence over all other meanings, not that it does not take precedence in formal writing over the "kill a lot" meaning.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not subtle, the whole point of both articles is that this word means more than one thing either due to changes over time or potentially different conceptions of the same word around the same time. Neither of them suggest that the standard wording as used here is informal. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you studied in university, but I took two semesters of linguistics where I learned that there is nothing "wrong" about using words in their more modern senses, and one semester of academic writing where the same professor told me that there are certain contexts in which using words in certain senses is unacceptable. It could also be pointed out that the "stewards" of this article, including both Adam and TT, are also largely responsible for the content of our Spider-Man: Homecoming article, which included the WP:SLANG phrase "base off (of)", so it's kinda ... weird to be lectured on formal English writing style by these same editors.

There has to be a stop to words losing meaning over time. For instance electrocution still involves death, but you wouldn't know it if you read the news... apparently people survive it.205.142.232.18 (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Anyway, please stop "fighting" me on this: I told you at the top of this thread that I was not interested in arguing that we shouldn't be using the modernest sense of the word in articles.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Add Wong, Favreau and Paltrow in the main cast

While it is shorter, it is still very long and this article is inherently linked to the Infinity War one due to the way they are structured and the content of the films themselves, so I think it makes sense to be consistent between the two and take advantage of the slightly shorter lists that we can use in the lead and infobox if we do it this way. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, they do really need to be added. The posters released today have confirmed that all three of those characters are in Endgame in some capacity. Mystic Moore (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. The three should be added to make it more accurate. DJordan18 (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Runtime reportedly revealed by AMC theatres website

https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/avengers-endgame-45840 It’s 182 minutes. Someone PLEASE add this in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

It's already been removed from the website and has not yet been confirmed by Disney. As soon as we have a report from either them or someone like the BBFC or MPAA, we'll add it. Sock (tock talk) 19:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

How about Fandango? https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1110225872445820928 Soronast (talk) 14:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

Similar to Tessa Thompson, Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury) also got a character poster. All the actors who got posters are listed here expect for him.Grizzly Goblin (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC) http://collider.com/avengers-endgame-character-posters/ Grizzly Goblin (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

can you say exactly what changes you want to see? Faromics (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The poster of Nick Fury pretty much confirms he’s in the movie too and Samuel L. Jackson isn’t listed here. I would like for you guys to add his name to the cast. Grizzly Goblin (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Is it really? The page only says he's dead.. Faromics (talk) 15:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

But all the dead characters got posters are listed here to appear in the movie. Plus the posters confirmed that Valkyrie is going to be in the movie, so it’s he same thing too with Samuel L. Jackson. Grizzly Goblin (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

there is proof that all who disintegrated in Avengers infinity war will come back because there is a spiderman far from home movie coming out with nick fury and spiderman (of course) which they were both two who had disintegrated and there has been things about spiderman in the timeline takes place after endgame,unlike Captain MArvel took place in the 1990's timeline. And if you did not know the soul stone may be one that could bring all those we had fallen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.248.64 (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hollywood Reporter somewhat indicates "Avengers: Endgame" is indeed around 3 hours and 2 minutes long

So, apparently, if we can take THR as a reliable source, they somewhat indicates "Avengers: Endgame" is indeed around 3 hours and 2 minutes long: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-endgame-clocks-at-3-hours-longest-marvel-movie-1197113.

Can we add this into the film's wiki page now, since THR says 3 hours and 2 minutes is close to the official runtime? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.57.2 (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

"probably around three hours"? Can't we just wait until the film is released? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2019

I want to add ancient one to the cast. ThunderCracker247 (talk) 06:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

@ThunderCracker247: Do you have a source? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Can we still describe Tony as a playboy?

It's a jokey trailer line from ... something like 17 movies ago (five starring Tony), and as of the start of the previous film he was engaged. We have no evidence he's been unfaithful to Pepper, or even that he would still describe himself this way, even in jest. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

quotes

Hi

When we quote someone, we use "their text", and put it in the article with a ref.

When we MISQUOTE someone, we use "their text", but put "their now different text" in the article with the ref.

I found some quotes that were WP:OR, in other words someone took the text, added stuff and put "" round it.

I realise this is a perhaps patronising way of describing the problem, but as quoting something is SOOOO easy, (select, copy, paste), I figured maybe we need some reeducation. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Winston Duke Is In Avengers: Endgame Cast

Good afternoon folks! I just wanted to say that we should add Winston Duke to the Cast section of this page since he casually confirmed his presence in the film during a Seth Myers interview last week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jTmUpuH6c — Preceding unsigned comment added by DougMovieMan (talk • contribs) 18:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion : Change The Premise Section.

I have absolutely no idea why the Premise section says what it does. Nothing mentioned here is reflective of the official plot released by Disney as is sourced at the end of the Premise section which actually says;

"The grave course of events set in motion by Thanos that wiped out half the universe and fractured the Avengers ranks compels the remaining Avengers to take one final stand in Marvel Studios’ grand conclusion to twenty-two films, Avengers: Endgame."

It if baffling to me that one individual basically just made whatever plot description they deemed fit, completely ignoring the official one and going so far as to source two articles showing the original, official one but not including it. Why hasn't this been changed yet?

KingNJB (talk) 19:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

We don't just copy-and-paste premises from the official sources, they need to be provided here in our own words. Not to mention including a sentence like that would be very un-encyclopaedic. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you serious? The only thing "un-encyclopaedic" (which for your information isn't even a word) here is this terribly and just plain grammatically incorrect description provided for the premise. What's the point of citing a source if you're just going to go ahead and do whatever you want anyway? And since when is the premise of a movie a subjective matter? Furthermore, who gets to decide what goes in the description? Are you trying to tell me the opinion of one or two irrelevant people who haven't even seen the movie is more important than the literal creators of the movie. What is the logic here? This is absolutely ridiculous.

KingNJB (talk) 22:53, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Please try to be constructive in your discussion. As I already explained, the official premise has been taken from the sources and re-written to remove the puffery and marketing-ness of Disney's wording so it is appropriate for Wikipedia. No on is making anything up based on a film they have not seen. As for "who gets to decide", it is just the same as "who gets to decide" the plot summary: first-in-first-served is going to get us started, and anyone who can make clear improvements (without changes for changes sake) is free to update or rewrite. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Ava Russo's "secret role"?

@Rusted AutoParts: I thought I made it clear in all three of my edit summaries what I was talking about -- was it not clear to you? The quotes provided by both father and daughter are so deliberately coy that they could be referring to a behind-the-scenes "role". The ComicBook.com article does indeed speculate based on these vague quotes that she is part of the cast, and I agree they are probably right in doing so, but that is still unacceptable for a Wikipedia article per the above-linked policy. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The speculation from ComicBook.com is irrelevant. The quote says "This is my daughter Ava, who's actually playing a secret role in Avengers: Endgame". To say that he means "playing a secret role" as a crew member behind the scenes is complete speculation, even ignoring the fact that the tense wouldn't really work since the film is basically finished and that there would be no reason to keep it secret if it was a "role" in the crew and so he would have worded it differently. Your "interpretation" here is a stretch. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: Could you please provide a diff to support your claim that I am say[ing] that he means "playing a secret role" as a crew member behind the scenes? I said (several times, including right above here) that I think he probably meant she was acting in the film. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:56, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow. From your own comment, at the start of this section, they could be referring to a behind-the-scenes "role". And from the edit summary of your original edit, could just as easily be interpreted as her "playing an important role" behind the scenes. This is literally your argument. Pretending that it is not makes zero sense. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: Huh? You wanna start actually reading my comments rather than picking quotes out of context? You have now been told by an admin to use the talk page, so please actually use it to discuss content rather than whatever the above comment was. (I was too, but unlike you I'm actually trying to discuss content here rather than trolling and stalling, apparently until the film comes out and it becomes a moot point.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

First I respond to your argument and you demand that I prove you said what I was responding to, then when I did you get all up in arms because I am not sticking to the content! Make up your mind! If you want to have a constructive discussion then just do it, stop lollygagging around trying to pretend that you haven't said what you have, or that I am taking things off course when I go where you ask me to. I have pretty clearly explained why I think your argument here is ridiculous: your interpretation of the source is wild speculation, and we need to use it for what it says not what you want it to say. Can you respond to me without any silly sidetracks or self-victimisation? - adamstom97 (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 March 2019

Add 182 minutes to time JayEdits (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@JayEdits: Source? The film hasn't seen wide release anywhere in the world yet, and the runtime of the first Avengers film actually changed by close to a minute after it was released in Europe. And without being able to see the film itself we can't even be certain if that includes or excludes the end credits (I know it almost certainly includes them, but most people in casual conversation don't, except in cases like Meet the Spartans). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Winston Duke

I used the source I used to avoid using YouTube but he did confirm his return on Seth Meyers. Rusted AutoParts 06:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you find the video where he does this? The one I found is only a confirmation at a big stretch. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:08, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn’t consider it a big stretch. Yes while there isn’t a more direct line of dialogue with a better sense of confirmation, he does nod in agreement when Meyers says “you got Avengers: Endgame coming up”, and provides a lot of detail I doubt would be privy to an actor not involved in it. I feel it’s a stable citation to use. After all if I recall correctly we used a Jimmy Kimmel video where Cobie Smulders poured a can of beans on a title card to confirm her Infinity War involvement. Rusted AutoParts 06:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Haha, I don't remember yet. If others agree here that this is enough, then I won't argue, but we do need to use this video as the source in the article. The current source being used does not confirm his involvement. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

One option is to cite it inline not as "confirmation" of anything not directly stated therein, but as Winston Duke stated X, Y and Z in an interview with A, while saying he was not at liberty to discuss plot details, or the like. This is fairly standard editorial practice. Ultimately it's the directors' choices whether scenes featuring any one actor will be cut from the final film at the last minute (something that does happen), so even if he did say "I'm in the film!", we should only be citing it as him saying that in an interview, not as an "objective fact". It doesn't really matter whether he is "'actually" part of the cast of the film, but that he was interviewed about the film in a presumably noteworthy source. If the article becomes to bloated to include such factoids ... well, it's gonna be a lot more bloated once the film comes out anyway, at which point his appearing in the film or not will be easily verifiable in multiple sources. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)