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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 9, 2020.

Little house of loreto

Little house of loreto → Basilica della Santa Casa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of this phrase at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I've always heard it called. Even if it's not common enough to be mentioned in the article, it's a term some people might know it as. And I don't see how deleting redirects makes Wikipedia any better to use. WP:Redirect: Reasons for not deleting 5. "Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." Just because one person's never heard of a term doesn't mean others haven't. PaulGS (talk) 01:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Majoritarian socialism

Majoritarian socialism → Democratic socialism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target, a Google Scholar search would suggest that this isn't really a term in use, and the few matches do not use the phrase "Majoritarian socialism" equivalently to "democratic socialism" (e.g. ...robust enough to produce an impressive though never majoritarian socialism. I would suggest deletion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Democracy is about majority votes. So democratic and majoritarian are very similar words. Crashed greek (talk) 05:38, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A government can be majoritarian without being democratic. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 13:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or at least redirect to socialism. Majoritarian and democratic are not interchangeable. A democracy can be non-majoritarian, and many aspects of the United States democratic republic are democratic but non-majoritarian such as super-majority margins and minority protections such as the Electoral College and filibuster. Similarly, a government can be majoritarian and non-democratic, aristocratic deliberative bodies like the early English House of Lords would be an example of a majoritarian government that is non-democratic. All of this is a little beside the point though because democratic socialism is a political ideology that covers far more than vote thresholds whereas "majoritarian socialism" covers any socialist ideology that makes decisions through majority decision. I think deletion is probably better per Rosguill, but I'd be fine with redirecting to socialism given the broadness of the term and potential use as a search term. — Wug·a·po·des 18:31, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Is that some confusion with Bolsheviks#Origins of Bolshevik and Menshevik? KMFDM

–84.46.52.190 (talk) 10:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Wugapodes as it's misleading and mixing two concepts. Doug Mehus T·C 03:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Vega Real

Battle of Vega Real → Caonabo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No battle by this name, or even just Vega Real for that matter, is mentioned at the target, nor at the esWiki article. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep PBS sorta uses the term: "Christopher Columbus and his troops fight the battle of Vega Real in Hispaniola." And this book states Caonabo led forces against Columbus. — Wug·a·po·des 18:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as stub article (with maintenance tags {{no references}}, {{no categories}} and {{expand Spanish}}). The corresponding (and Wikilinked) Spanish article es:Batalla de la Vega Real is well-developed. Narky Blert (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

88100

88100 → Motorola 88000 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
88200 → Motorola 88000 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There's several other examples of the number 88100 being used in other Wikipedia articles (and even Motorola 88100, which would appear to be the intended target of the first redirect). Given the broad variety of possible targets, I would suggest deletion and letting the internal search do its work. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom and also fails WP:NUMBER as a non-notable number. If the argument is that it's a partial title match of a Motorola product, then that's also a reason for deletion. Utopes (talk) 04:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The reason behind the creation of these redirects is the precedent set by 68000. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete; is the primary topic but I think it's best here to let the search engine handle this as occasionally someone will search this wanting something else. Extremely low number of searches too. 68000 should be deleted as well. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 05:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BiglyBT

BiglyBT → Vuze#Fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to a non-existent section. As part of continuing spam, please salt after deletion. The Banner talk 21:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure where you're seeing spam. You exhibit a consistent pattern of removing the section on a fork of Vuze, which is a legitimate bit of information about the formerly free software project. Unless you can prove you're not affiliated with Vuze, I assume your interest in not having this information available. I will have your behaviour reported. Andrej Shadura (talk) 22:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"I will have your behaviour reported" is a WP:THREAT and should be withdrawn. Narky Blert (talk) 04:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Please see the repeated deletion of several versions of User:Romerojp/BiglyBT or User:TuxPaper/sandbox/BiglyBT made by several editors. And this page is also interesting: User_talk:TuxPaper. The Banner talk 23:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  
  And please stop removing this deletion request. The Banner talk 10:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note redirect fully protected as the creator was repeatedly removing the MfD template. Black Kite (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

F Line (Los Angeles Metro)

F Line (Los Angeles Metro) → Orange Line (Los Angeles Metro) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Please delete this redirect page. LA Metro has tweaked the letter assignments and will no longer establish the "F Line." RickyCourtney (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. If there is coverage of the new line that uses the old name, a redirect might still be warranted - if not this one, then perhaps a similar one. I can't tell from coverage whether that's the case or not, but it should be considered, and redirects are cheap. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 14:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

British National (Overseas) - extra information

British National (Overseas) - extra information → British nationality law and Hong Kong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
British National (Overseas) – extra information → British nationality law and Hong Kong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nominating for deletion. Redirect is named as if it points to a specific section within the British National (Overseas) article and is not an alternate name for the subject of the target article. Horserice (talk) 21:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added British National (Overseas) – extra information to this discussion. Unless both are deleted, the one that is deleted will most likely be recreated by a bot that makes sure that both versions of titles with a "-" and a "–" exist. However, be warned that British National (Overseas) – extra information is a {{R from merge}}; see its talk page for further details. Steel1943 (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nick B

Nick B → Nick Barat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target as an alternate name, searching online I found results about someone who was on The Bachelor and a Russian youtuber. I would suggest deletion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Neither his Discogs entry nor his Allmusic (signed) biography mention "Nick B". Despite the imperfections of those as sources, Discogs in particular is often good on musical aliases. All I found was Nick-B, someone else altogether, a WP:NN rapper. Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obscure Middle-earth redirects

Enedhwaith → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nîn-in-Eilph → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nin-in-Eilph → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Onodlo → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Onodló → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nen Hithoel → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sir Ninglor → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Hog Farm (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not mentioned in the target (or anywhere else); no use to anyone. Nor should it be mentioned in the target: all this Middle-Earth fancruft which would have trouble justifying its existence in a wikia needs to go. This is WP:NOTDIRECTORY stuff. Narky Blert (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If these terms were at least mentioned on the target article, I could see a case that the links were useful. But without even that, I'm not sure how to justify their existence. BenKuykendall (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oven Toast Grill

Oven Toast Grill → Oven (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Quite possibly one of the most odd redirects I've ever seen. It is in Category:Redirects of dubious utility, a template category, and the template says that redirects in the category should be raised here. Invalid^OS (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not mentioned at target article and unclear exactly what this is supppose to mean. Hog Farm (talk) 02:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - OTG is a very commonly used appliance these days. Soarwakes (talk) 08:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If it really is that commonly used, the content needs to be added somewhere. The only mention of "Oven Toast Grill" I can find on Wikipedia is at the dab page for OTB. Hog Farm (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Doe (rapper)

John Doe (rapper) → Doe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A link to a DAB page with no relevant entry. Delete. Narky Blert (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the nominator. Not a useful redirect for anyone, and no history that needs to be preserved. Glades12 (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Enwiki has no information about a rapper called John Doe (or at least I don't think it does). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ronna

Ronna → List of The West Wing characters#Santos campaign (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Two incoming links, neither of which is about the target, and each of which is about something different. This would likely be better as a red link. Wikiacc (¶) 08:29, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Set index or dab? Not sure how to go about it but there are several articles about people named "Ronna" --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Convert into {{given name}} page. I've added the text for one below the RFD notice. Narky Blert (talk) 15:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose converting into a name list. Neither of the current links from the main namespace (Special:PermaLink/922738594#Districts and Special:PermaLink/935118945#Fashion career) are apparent references to people, so the drafted set index would not be useful for followers of those links. I'm not sure what to do instead, but lean towards disambiguating with both the subjects referred to by the links and people with the name. Glades12 (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ronna in the first permalink is sv:Ronna, a place, with no article in any other language. I've edited the article to turn it into Ronna [sv].

Ronna in the second permalink is obscure. Neither the Italian nor the Japanese equivalent articles mention Ronna; and neither WP has an article on that word. The citation is print-only, but I found a French version. I could find nothing more about Ronna in Japan. I've redlinked it in the article as Ronna (brand). Narky Blert (talk) 17:37, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then your proposal is fine. Struck my original comment. Glades12 (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Glades12: No worries, you prompted me into doing the extra necessary work! Narky Blert (talk) 19:39, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eofor (Middle-earth)

Eofor (Middle-earth) → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Eofor as a Middle-earth topic does not appear to be mentioned. Hog Farm (talk) 06:09, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Esgalduin

Esgalduin → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article, no good alternate target page. Hog Farm (talk) 06:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Firienholt

Firienholt → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article, no good retargeting target. Hog Farm (talk) 06:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Máhanaxar (Two spellings)

Máhanaxar → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mahanaxar → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Mentioned once (not at the target article) in Wikipedia and the mention is not substantial. Unlikely search term. Hog Farm (talk) 05:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrn Gorthad

Tyrn Gorthad → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article, no good redirect point. Hog Farm (talk) 05:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amon Lhaw

Amon Lhaw → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article, not good retarget point. Hog Farm (talk) 05:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I vaguely recall that and Tol Brandir, maybe they should be mentioned, e.g., ask on WT:Me. –84.46.52.190 (talk) 09:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amon Hen, Amon Lhaw, and Tol Brandir are all features near the place where the Fellowship was ambushed by orcs. I found a retarget for Amon Hen, but Amon Lhaw and Tol Brandir don't have clear retarget points in my opinion. Hog Farm (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for info, so that edit was actually the right spot, but no useful target for your cleanup. Have fun. –84.46.53.207 (talk)

Middle-earth redirects not mentioned on the English Wikipedia

Agathurush → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tol Brandir → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Glithui → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at all in the English Wikipedia. Hog Farm (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adorn (Middle-earth)

Adorn (Middle-earth) → Middle-earth#Geography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not referenced at target page, no good retarget option. Hog Farm (talk) 05:35, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 68: / Line 68: @@
 Please delete this redirect page. LA Metro has tweaked the letter assignments and will no longer establish the "F Line." [[User:RickyCourtney|RickyCourtney]] ([[User talk:RickyCourtney|talk]]) 22:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Comment'''. If there is coverage of the new line that uses the old name, a redirect might still be warranted - if not this one, then perhaps a similar one. I can't tell from coverage whether that's the case or not, but it should be considered, and redirects are cheap. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 14:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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