User talk:Tookatee

Your submission at Articles for creation: Command: Modern Operations (February 2)

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AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:38, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation

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Tookatee (talk) 00:39, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I made the corrections that were stated, it's now ready for review again.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Command: Modern Operations (February 8)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Zxcvbnm was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Lacks reviews from reliable sources outside of Wargamer.com which seems to be the only review the creator of the article found as well. This is not sufficient to pass WP:GNG for video games.

_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:46, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:CMOpromotionalart.jpg

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Command series

Hi Tookatee, don't just hit the revert button on an article you're invested in. My edit was perfectly fine, as you can see. I fixed the layout, removed the timely word 'currently', removed inappropriate acronyms (Wikipedia maintains a formal tone, we're not using CMANO as a shorthand), forums are WP:ELNO and most importantly, I removed the WP:PRIMARY sources. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia guidelines. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

*sigh* "If you're going to start this daisy chain I will report you for page vandalism, nobody has the time nor patience for this. Leave policy enforcement to administrators." You certainly don't have the time to follow basic editing guidelines, considering you've reinstated it back to a revision which does not meet those guidelines. You do not own the article. Look, I don't really care about Command; I am trying to get the page in line with Wikipedia's guidelines on articles. My edits were fine, I can assure you, but sure, all means, report me for page vandalism. See how that works out for you. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Just to piggyback on this comment, this edit summary is really not appropriate. Reporting people for vandalism should only be done for actual vandalism, not content disputes. Greyjoy ^talk 09:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I'd say a repeated mass deletion of encyclopedic content on a page could be considered vandalism, however as a member of the Counter-Vandalism unit you would know better as to what does technically constitute page vandalism. Additionally the content on that page was found to follow the basic editing guidelines as seen through the various administrators who've reviewed the page over a period of time in addition to discussion about its current format in this conversation with administrators.Tookatee (talk) 09:50, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please be careful of WP:3RR. I understand we're not in agreement on a number of different things, but perhaps we can agree that WP:EW is not going to lead to a resolution of any of these issues. When you boldly add content to an article, another editor who disagrees with the changes you made can revert them (even after a long time has passed) and their doing so is not vandalism, particularly when they leave an edit summary and follow up on the article's talk page explaining in terms of relevant policy and guidelines why they removed the content. It can be frustrating when that happens for sure, but when it does we're encouraged to follow WP:BRD (Bold, revert, discuss), not WP:BRRD (bold, revert, revert back again discuss). Soetermans posted on the article's talk page explaining why he made his edit, and at that point you should've engage in discussion with him instead of reverting back to your preferred version almost 90 minutes later. Content disputes are resolved through discussion per WP:DR and don't automatically require an administrator getting involved. You're free of course to seek administrator assistance at WP:ANI or WP:AN3 if you like, but you should be aware of WP:BOOMERANG if you do so.

Finally, you keep pointing to the discussion on Explicit's user talk page as if it represents some kind of validation/approval of the current state of the article. That discussion is only related to whether the non-free use of one particular image in the article is appropriate per WP:NFCC; it is not a discussion about whether moving the page was appropriate or whether any of the content in the article is appropriate and you're the only one posting such things as part of your explanation to justify that particular file's non-free use. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:10, 3 March 2020 (UTC)\

I'm aware of WP:3RR and intend to report that offender should it continue to escalate, thank you for the word of caution. However, your interpretation of that referenced discussion seems to ignore the fact that the topic of the discussion diverged quite heavily in an attempt to establish the context as to why that image met the NFCC, and so there was significant discussion also in relation to this topic and simply reading the conversation can allow one to gain a quick understanding of it.Furthermore, if you look at his "discussion" you'll see that it only made as an alert indicating that he already made the changes for his own reasons rather than as an impetus for a discussion before making such changes. And since he only made vague references to a policy violation having occurred (not what the specific violation was, other than stating what he deleted was a violation) and appeared to have had an ulterior line of reasoning other than what he had written, I made the decision to restore the encyclopedic information lost in his edits. After which he proceeded begin in WP:EW and I ended it with the warning for a report as seen on the edit summary. As you said, a discussion must be had before substantive changes like that occur, especially if there is going to be a substantive elimination of encyclopedic content on a page.Tookatee (talk) 10:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Editors aren’t required to discuss any changes they want to make to an article in advance; they can be BOLD if they think the change is an improvement. Similarly another other who comes along and disagrees with the changes can also be BOLD and revert them regardless of who originally added the content or how long ago it was added. If the reverter leaves an edit summary explaining why and then follows up with a post on the article’s talk further clarifying why, then it’s probably best to WP:AGF and ask for clarification, than reverting back to your preferred version, unless their revert reintroduces a serious and clear policy violation like WP:BLP or WP:COPYVIO that would be seen as such by any admin who was asked for an opinion on the matter. S, if Soetermans’s edit summary or post was confusing, it’s perfectly OK to ask for clarification or seek input from others; reverting back to your preferred version, however, is sort dismissing his concerns without really trying to understand them. Primary sources can be used on Wikipedia, but their use is not automatic and can be a bit tricky and often further discussion is needed to sort them out; for this reason, secondary sources are preferred instead.

Regardless, assuming that an editor has some “ulterior line of reasoning” for making an edit is basically accusing an editor of being WP:NOTHERE, and it’s best to avoid WP:ASPERSIONS and stick to commenting on content and not contributors in these types of discussions, unless you’re planning on supporting such statements with WP:DIFFs at one of the WP:ANs.

As for the discussion on Explicit’s user talk page, the attempts to establish context were being solely made by you and nobody really seemed to agree with them at least not with respect to that particular file’s non-free use. The discussion wasn’t about whether it was appropriate to move the page, the use of primary sources or whether certain blocks or text should be removed. Those are separate things that may require a separate discussion to resolve. You probably disagree with me on that and that’s OK. If, however, that content is removed again or the page move is undone, then you will probably be better off using discussion to try and resolve things instead pushing the 3RR envelope to see how far you can go before someone ends up at ANI or AN3. Even if you don’t cross the 3RR threshold, an admin can step in at any time and block anyone whom they feel is being disruptive without warning; so, you need to be pretty confident that you clearly meet WP:3RRNO if you wasn’t to test fate like that. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

You say that about the referenced conversation, yet you were the sole dissenting opinion (everyone else either deferred me to somewhere else or has yet to respond to the discussion.) In saying that you also appear to hold a heavy bias towards your initial opinion as you have yet to directly counter any of the points I've made and are now attempting to dismiss that entire conversation as a whole (anyone who cares to comment on the topic can view said conversation and acquaint themselves on the context surrounding this if they're not familiar.) As for you, as I said before I don't want to waste time going in conversational circles, if you don't want to accept the argument based on the policies and guidelines that were cited for whatever reason then that's fine, but do not attempt to spread misinformation. It serves only a selfish purpose and in doing this you simply waste all of our time for, what I can only see as, petty satisfaction. If you have legitimate, specific, points that go against my argument and show that there is an issue with the page and/or its content (not diversionary, irrelevant, or flat out baseless lines of conversation) towards this fact then I'd love to hear it and discuss it further. Otherwise please accept that the page is fully complaint with Wikipedia guidelines and policies as there is nothing in violation of this fact.Tookatee (talk) 12:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I've taken the administrative action of reverting to the status quo version from 2 February per another request today, both in article content and page title. It seems that there was not consensus for the changes that you made. Please feel free to draft or discuss your suggested changes on the talk page. I would strongly advise against reverting either the page move or the revert. Feel free to ping me to this [your] talk page if you have questions specific to these actions. --Izno (talk) 00:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, at the time I viewed the above message it was quite late in my local time zone. So anyways, you appeared to have been called into this larger conversation to simply enforce a decision by skipping the discussion step normally required for it to be implemented. I await your answers to the questions I asked on that talk page.

Eternal links

I have reverted your change to the the external inks at Command (series) per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. The dicussion forum is linked right off the main menu of the official site. Also, the official site template adds functionality to transfer data to wikidata so it preferred over plain http link -- Whpq (talk) 12:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

File:Cmopromoart2.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Cmopromoart2.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 12:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)