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Template: In the news/special-header

We have two excellent FAs offering a beginners' introduction to viruses: Introduction to viruses and Social history of viruses. Would it make sense to add them to Template:In the news/special-header?

It would look like this:

Coronavirus pandemic

Pinging the author Graham Beards; also SandyGeorgia, Wehwalt, Casliber, and Masem who created the template. I know there are plans to make the articles TFA too, but they could remain pinned to In the news anyway. SarahSV ^(talk) 05:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fearing that's starting to dilute that header banner. That should be a quick link for immediate information directly related to COVID-19, the spread, and effects. Now, I am aware we want people who are trying to learn more to be able to learn more. I could see those being added to both the {{2019–20 coronavirus pandemic sidebar}} (as a new "Background" section) and to the Portal:Coronavirus disease 2019 (adding some big bold links in Section 4 for those). That is -- and I haven't scanned all the COVID pages yet -- to know at what point does WP's coverage step back to talk basic facts of viruses and contagious spreads and so forth. I just don't think off the ITN page is the right place. --Masem (t) 06:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the one hand, I'm all for educating people during these times. On the other, it begs the question of whether Virus itself should be be made accessible like Introduction to viruses, or be flat out usurped by it.—Bagumba (talk) 06:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added to portal. Kingsif (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kingsif, thanks for doing that. Bagumba, readers will know to type in "virus" if they want to read that page. They won't know about Introduction to viruses. That was my thinking. It's a fascinating article: entry-level and well-written. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COVID-19 banner still needed?

Given that the foundation has seen fit to put a gigantic banner about COVID-19 at the top of every single article on the site, can we remove the banner from ITN and go back to having it look normal? --LaserLegs (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see such banner, I think it only applies to non-logged in readers. --Masem (t) 19:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And unless the WMF have changed the cookie settings very recently, it's only displayed once to each reader. ‑ Iridescent 19:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can now only see it when using private browsing. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think logged in users can suppress it - I browse mostly in private so I see it a lot. If y'all wanna leave it then fine, but I saw the jarring WMF banner and thought maybe that's enough --LaserLegs (talk) 20:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Deaths List

Given that there are an increased number of notable deaths from COVID-19 and there seems to be space for it, could the active list be increased from the current size of 6, to say 10? - Indefensible (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bottom of the list currently is March 18, so they are staying up for around a week after their death right now. Probably not necessary yet, but perhaps will be in the future. Kees08 (Talk) 22:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Usually it takes a few days for a nomination to get through though. E.g. Catherine Hamlin is the current last one, but she was not posted until the 21st, so she's really only been up for 4 days. It looks like the queue is filling up, so I expect people to be replaced faster as well. Having more spaces would let them stay on the list longer. - Indefensible (talk) 22:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We've already got the giant COVID-19 banner, another row of RDs is going to cost another blurb. Do we really want that? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not specifically reserved for COVID-19 deaths, just that the rate of notable deaths is going to increase because of COVID-19. - Indefensible (talk) 15:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Right but my point still stands: a third row of RDs for any reason costs another blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can use the 2nd line which is mostly empty space right now, it may not require using a 3rd line. Also, isn't the ITN box overall responsive, so it will just push the whole column down if a line is added? Should not be that big of a deal I would think. - Indefensible (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This one is quite easy to resolve. (I suggested something similar about two weeks ago, on the basis of the sheer numbers of WP pages devoted to people who had been in some way significant within their field, and, almost by definition, their ages -- essentially, within most fields, one tends to become more significant within one's field as one grows older.) Simply add "Recent deaths" to the COVID-specific banner between "Impact" and "Portal", and reserve that space for COVID-specific deaths. Suddenly your regular RD will be quite manageable. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Migrant workers status in India

Inter state migration in India is a huge topic which we need to discuss seriously . HassanM 2020 (talk) 16:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In what way? Do you have any recent news articles? Keep in mind with all of India on lockdown, there's probably not much right now. --Masem (t) 16:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The place to discuss the contents of the ITN box is WP:ITN/C --LaserLegs (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

non-encyclopedic content

Why have we begun to cover non-encyclopedic content?

there are other platforms for people to share news, in fact there is a dedicated news wiki (https://www.wikinews.org/), I am sure this debate has already been had, but I must voice renewed objection. A. we are just parroting to conversation points of partisan media organisations B. It allows for our editors to introduce further bias in selecting what is and isn't newsworthy C. It biases wikipedia towards countries which produce more news media and have more news media impact.

Leave the news to news sites, safe wikipedia for the facts. --Willthewanderer (talk) 21:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ITN is not covering the news. We are covering Wikipedia articles that are of good quality that happen to be in the news. It doesn't matter what news sources are covering them as long as they are reliable news sources. So we're not limited to partisan news sources, though due to reliability that's going to cut off certain poor sources like The Daily Mail. --Masem (t) 22:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any specific examples Willthewanderer? - Indefensible (talk) 22:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it isn’t clear what objection you have to what we are currently covering. P-K3 (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::Right but my point still stands: a third row of RDs for any reason costs another blurb. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 16:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 ::::We can use the 2nd line which is mostly empty space right now, it may not require using a 3rd line. Also, isn't the ITN box overall responsive, so it will just push the whole column down if a line is added? Should not be that big of a deal I would think. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 19:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
+This one is quite easy to resolve. (I suggested something similar about two weeks ago, on the basis of the sheer numbers of WP pages devoted to people who had been in some way significant within their field, and, almost by definition, their ages -- essentially, within most fields, one tends to become more significant within one's field as one grows older.) Simply add "Recent deaths" to the COVID-specific banner between "Impact" and "Portal", and reserve that space for COVID-specific deaths. Suddenly your regular RD will be quite manageable. - Tenebris [[Special:Contributions/66.11.171.90|66.11.171.90]] ([[User talk:66.11.171.90|talk]]) 13:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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