Talk:Fascism in North America

Donald Trump

What's the problem friends? I produced 25 references where Trump has been recently called a fascist. Do you really need me to add the other 975? This is notable enough to deserve being on this page.

What's the problem? This is exhaustively well-referenced. You'd have to be blind to not have noticed Trump has been called a fascist or compared to 1930's facists quite often. I can add the other 975 references if you insist.

– It would be good to know what the problem is with the edits, that they've been reverted. I have just restored the text with some changes which I hope make it more neutral. I also added text about Trump's pledge of allegiance and related criticisms. Ewindisch (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm a volunteer at the Third Opinion project; I've removed (i.e. declined) your request because 3O, like all moderated content dispute resolution processes at Wikipedia, requires thorough discussion before seeking assistance. If the other party will not discuss consider the advice given at DISCFAIL, but I have to say that it will probably not work very well with IP editors and you may have to seek page semi-protection to allow only logged-in editors to edit. However, having said that, I will say that I agree with the IP editors that the material is not appropriate, not because of sourcing or general neutrality (not that I've examined either of those carefully in your edit), but because all your paragraph does is, in effect, give a long, extended example of the general statement in the preceding paragraph which already has an example. As such, the problem is that it puts too much emphasis on the topic of Trump's alleged fascism for this article causing it to violate the undue weight policy. If it's not already been covered there (and I don't know if it has or has not), then it might be appropriate in an article about Trump himself or about his campaign, but it doesn't belong here. Finally, as an aside, new discussion topics go at the bottom of the talk page, not the top; had this been a page with a good bit of discussion already on it, experienced editors might not have ever seen this section because they automatically go to the bottom of the page. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:35, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

" Fascist movements in North America never realized power...." Now that this statement is no longer true, it should be modified. Desertphile (talk) 22:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Per request, I have taken to the talk page.

So, empty talk page, what do you propose we do here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B41C:3E19:E0B1:F855:AC64:33C0 (talk) 02:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Again, I've been asked to take it to the talk page , but my pleas for discussion seem to be falling on deaf ears. How can we improve this article, friends?

How can I be of service to this fine encyclopedia? Let's make this article great again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B41C:3E19:E0B1:F855:AC64:33C0 (talk) 03:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

The problem with including Trump here is that it's conflating opinion with fact. The news pieces are all about people who have called Trump a fascist, or opinion pieces saying that Trump is fascist. These opinions may be well-deserved, but they are still opinions. To outright say that Trump is a fascist in Wikipedia's voice, we would need much stronger sourcing (see WP:REDFLAG for the policy). It may be possible to attribute these opinions to their sources in other articles about Trump, e.g. his biography or his campaign article, but that doesn't really work in this article, as mentioning him at all here is tantamount to saying that he is a fascist. After the dust over Trump's presidency is settled and he starts to be written about in real history books, then we may be able to call him fascist if that's what all the history books say. But until then, we will have to tread more carefully in order to follow the biographies of living people policy. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)