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I think the controversial circumstances by which land was cleared to rebuild the current temple should be included in the lede of the article, not just in the body. I would argue that it's a really significant aspect in the history of the site, and can be briefly and neutrally mentioned to provide context. [[User:MatthewVanitas|MatthewVanitas]] ([[User talk:MatthewVanitas|talk]]) 18:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC) |
I think the controversial circumstances by which land was cleared to rebuild the current temple should be included in the lede of the article, not just in the body. I would argue that it's a really significant aspect in the history of the site, and can be briefly and neutrally mentioned to provide context. [[User:MatthewVanitas|MatthewVanitas]] ([[User talk:MatthewVanitas|talk]]) 18:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:Yes. It's got quite an odd POV at the moment. The comment that Muslims are welcoming this is pretty grim too. [[Special:Contributions/90.252.190.223|90.252.190.223]] ([[User talk:90.252.190.223|talk]]) 19:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC) |
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This is currently confusing
This line in the article is currently confusing and needs explanation and context. - "In 1989 Kameshwar Chaupal was one of the first to lay the foundation stone for the temple." DTM (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- This is the source from The Hindu - link DTM (talk) 10:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- What happened in 1989? the foundation stone was laid but....? 1988 the design was made too...DTM (talk) 14:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Page title
What should the title of this page be? >>>
- Ram Mandir, Ayodhya
- Ram temple, Ayodhya
- Ram Temple, Ayodhya
- Ram Temple
- Ram Mandir
- Ram mandir
- Ram Janmabhoomi temple
- Bhavya Ram Mandir
- Divya Bhavya Ram Mandir
DTM (talk) 09:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- As there are many Ram Temples in Ayodhya and in the world. Ram Janmabhoomi temple is more suited to this specific temple. Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 11:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see the RS calling it the "Ram Janmabhoomi temple". So for now "Ram Mandir, Ayodhya" will have to do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see "Ram Janmabhoomi Temple" being used by English-language RS. If and when the temple gets a more specific name, we can reconsider this; until then I think it's between Ram Mandir, Ayodhya and Ram temple, Ayodhya, with the choice being determined by WP:COMMONNAME. English language sources will sometimes use non-English terms (as with Babri Masjid) and sometimes will not. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Arjunuws, I reverted your page move to Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir. Please let this discussion finish. DTM (talk) 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- The page name should be Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir because the trust has also name it that and hoardings have also been put up in Ayodhya to tell about the ground breaking ceremony and the name mentioned on the official hoardings by the trust tell the name of the temple as Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir Arjunuws (talk) 04:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- I was also waiting for something official like hoardings or posters for the title of the temple. After this official update I moved the page. Arjunuws (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir/Temple is accurate because it literally means, Temple on Ram Janmabhoomi. Arjunuws (talk) 04:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- I second Vanamonde93 on this. SerChevalerie (talk) 05:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir/Temple is accurate because it literally means, Temple on Ram Janmabhoomi. Arjunuws (talk) 04:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Currently the redlinks should redirect to this page. I volunteer to do it, if there are no objections.SerChevalerie (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Many official sources refer to the temple as ‘Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir’. Even the official page of the managing trust says ‘Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir’. [1] Agastya11 (talk) 04:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
[2] Agastya11 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please go ahead with the redlink redirects and any others that aren't in the list. Thanks! DTM (talk) 10:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Ramlala, Ram
Damiealexan, your edit. This wasn't a typo. Ramlala is alright too. DTM (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- DiplomatTesterMan; Kautilya3 Is ther a possibility to replace Lord Ram with Ramlalla? As this temple is built for Ramlalla (Infant Ram). I made a Google search on the name Ramlalla, and this does have some sources to back the claim. Regards Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 18:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Can you share those sources here? SerChevalerie (talk) 19:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The article refers to the deity as Ram Lalla (Infant Rama) [3] Agastya11 (talk) 19:12, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- SerChevalerie Here are few:
- As Ayodhya Decks Up for Ram Lalla, Here's Chief Guest PM Modi's Itinerary for the Grand Event
- What the idol of Ram Lalla will don for the Ayodhya temple 'bhoomi pujan
- Ahead Of Temple Work, Ram Lalla Shifted To Makeshift Structure In Ayodhya
- Ayodhya Case Verdict: Who is Ram Lalla Virajman, the 'Divine Infant' Given the Possession of Disputed Ayodhya Land
- Process of shifting Ram Lalla idol begins in Ayodhya
- I hope these will suffice to change the deity as Ram Lalla in Infobox, but not sure whether would be helpful in the body. Unless the presiding deity is briefly explained first. Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 19:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Santoshdts, Agastya11, thanks! SerChevalerie (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Also, I hope COMMONNAME would not be an issue here. Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 19:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for sorting this out! DTM (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Also, I hope COMMONNAME would not be an issue here. Santoshdts [TalkToMe] 19:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Santoshdts, Agastya11, thanks! SerChevalerie (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
References
Request for Semi-protected
Due to the ongoing events related to this article it has heavy editing and many appear to be disruptive. Hence it will be better if it were Semi-protected. Agastya11 (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Right, have requested for the same. SerChevalerie (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Times Square plan cancelled/stopped
Currently the article has this line - Plans to show Lord Ram's image at Times Square have also been made.
. However today (5 Aug) news reports say:
- Times Square Advertisers Asked Not to Run Hindu Temple Ad (NBC New York)
- No Lord Ram in Times Square; ad firm refuses to post billboards after Muslim groups' petition (Business Today)
- Ad on Ram Temple Won't Be Showing at Times Square, Say Diaspora Groups Who Fought It (The Wire)
Is mention of this needed in the subsection for the ground breaking ceremony or should it be left out? DTM (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- DiplomatTesterMan, they went ahead with it in the end: Largest digital display of Lord Ram shines in New York's Times Square
- Best regards, SerChevalerie (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, saw the multiple news reports online. Cheers. DTM (talk) 09:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
"Ram Lalla" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ram Lalla. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 5#Ram Lalla until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. SerChevalerie (talk) 17:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Images used/ Sashtang pranam
Is there a usable picture anywhere of Narendra Modi doing a sashtang pranam on the 5th August? A picture that can be uploaded onto commons? ET, TOI DTM (talk) 10:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Currently the article has this picture File:Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi performing Bhoomi Pujan at ‘Shree Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir’, in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh on August 05, 2020.jpg. Do you think it should be replaced by this one (Modi on his knees) File:The Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi performing Bhoomi Pujan at ‘Shree Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir’, in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh on August 05, 2020.jpg? (However currently the first one is an ITN Nomination) DTM (talk) 10:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
The demolition of the Babri Masjid should be briefly mentioned in the lede
I think the controversial circumstances by which land was cleared to rebuild the current temple should be included in the lede of the article, not just in the body. I would argue that it's a really significant aspect in the history of the site, and can be briefly and neutrally mentioned to provide context. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. It's got quite an odd POV at the moment. The comment that Muslims are welcoming this is pretty grim too. 90.252.190.223 (talk) 19:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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