Talk:2021 European floods

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Inclusion of the United Kingdom?

On the 13th of July there was widespread flooding in the U.K., the worst flooding in a single day for 10 years, perhaps include it under the location section? 82.21.156.252 (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where was that exactly in the UK? Do you have a source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems it was mainly in London on Monday. Darren Bett has just explained on BBC News at Ten that it's all part of the same weather system, caused by a static Atlantic meridional overturning circulation. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done An embarrassingly large and well-written section has now been added. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was about to suggest the opposite. The UK's flooding was more inconsequential here - "some tube stations got closed due to flash flooding" is a fairly common occurence here in London, and is not worthy of an article, and thus I wouldn't really consider it to be a major factor. Spa-Franks (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny in most of England, no flooding.Niterurea (talk) 17:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

Cerberon-900, please stop changing the number of deaths in individual places without providing a source. Contentious statements require a source. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rail transport

Railtech has a story about disruption to rail services, including a derailment in Belgium caused by the flooding. There are other stories linked from that article. Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trier is in Germany, not Luxembourg

The article states "In Luxembourg, 2,000 people were evacuated from their homes in Trier...", but Trier is in Germany, close to the border with Luxembourg. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. But sentence is: "In Luxembourg, 2,000 people were evacuated from their homes in Trier, Echternach and Rosport." So the total of 2,000 is across all three, the last two of which are in Luxembourg. Obviously when large rivers which form national boundaries overflow, the damage occurs to both bordering countries. Will need a slight re-write. Martinevans123 (talk)

Probably does need clarifying though e.g. "2,000 people were evacuated from their homes in Trier, Germany, and Echternach and Rosport in Luxembourg" (I'm sure there's a slightly neater wording). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's perfectly valid on it's own, but we've split up into sections by nation? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

8876y6t tre! 212.25.69.10 (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Climate change

Nicole van Lipzig, a geographer at the research university KU Leuven said the flooding was the result of ongoing climate change and that a similar meteorological event would not have happened on such a scale 100 years ago. Why should we publisher some person's view on it- the source is clearly not a medical reliable source? If it was someone at the top of the field, then maybe it should be added, but this just seems WP:UNDUE to be posting the remarks of some seemingly random person. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What does medical sources have to do with any of this? In any case, I don't agree that it would have to be someone from the top of the field for it to be due weight. What in this is controversial? Yakikaki (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we quoting someone who's not notable? If climate change is an important cause to this, then surely someone more notable will have commented on it. I don't think we need to include the views of random people on this, especially when they're just stating the obvious. If they're the only person to have made the connection in reliable sources, then I don't see it as vitally important for this article. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we can remove it. My idea was that it's a scientist from the region, commenting on how this specific incident is related to the bigger picture, and so I thought that could add an interesting perspective. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. But if you think it's strange, I'm not going to be obnoxious about it. Yakikaki (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's a huge contradiction anyways. Previous paragraph says, "According to the German weather service, some of the affected regions have not seen rainfall of this magnitude in over 100 years," and then Lipzig says, "a similar meteorological event would not have happened on such a scale 100 years ago". They can't both be right, and I'm more inclined to believe the weather service as they probably have actual data to back themselves up User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 17:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see the contradiction because the former states that in at least 100 years prior there haven’t been such rainfall with such intensity. So it also could be 150 or 200 prior. The later states exactly 100 years so it could be right. Melvinvk (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Italy

How servere is the damage in Northern-Italy. The article references the country in the intro. But further down there is no further information about the situation. Secondly the infobox mentions 1 fatality but when I translate the article an uprooted tree hit a Indian citizen. So this was nog necessarily caused by water damage. Are there any other sources that can back this up. Melvinvk (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]